Printable View
Quote:
Originally Posted by WebHead
Yunno, that's really funny cuz I'm in the process of putting RED carpet in my bedroom. I'm not even joking, that's what makes is so funny. I'm almost done with the primer coats, but haven't decided or purchased the actual color paint yet. The carpet is kind of a maroonish shade of red, I wonder how the walls would look bright red? Would the value of my house go up any?
So are you saying that most common voters don't know what the internet is, let-alone use it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Larommi
But I do know what you mean. I posted John Kerry's policies here at WD and most people just skipped past that topic. They talked all day about hating Kerry, but when it came down to learning more about him, they'd rather go read the bias news articles from Fox News rather than read his actual policies for themselves.
No, but when you are in a debate and you are asked a question, you do not tell the person to go look it up online. You speak to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by WebHead
Bush looked like an idiot during the debates. Kerry looked like he was not sure he knew the answer he thought we wanted to hear. If you want to connect with someone, dont refer them somewhere else.
Listen, you posted so much hate, so many slanted reports, and so much fluff...when you posted something serious people were already turned off by your constant Bush slander attacks and were no longer interested. You were your own worse enemy when it came to trying to get people to listen to you, or read what you wanted them too.Quote:
Originally Posted by WebHead
You read all my stuff. And I know everyone else does too because I get many a reply on what I say. When I posted John Kerrys policies I merely copied and pasted them and titled it "John Kerrys policies". Now how can you go wrong with that? So now we are picking and choosing which of WebHeads posts to read? We'll take the short ones that we can easily whip up a rationalized argument against just for the sake of arguing, rather than reading the lengthy ones where we actually have to think and do some work to reply? The ones that matter? I mean how many people here spew hate about Kerry but don't have a clue what he's all about? Yup,... many people here, and a majority of people in the country that's who.Quote:
Originally Posted by Larommi
I believe strongly that many people these days live busy, fast paces life and don't want to take time to understand the truth. People read their CNN, and Fox News, skim through their text books at school, watch Discover and History channel, listen to all the talking heads on every cable channel and buy into all that crap and all of a sudden everyone is an expert on everything. People these days are stubborn, nobody wants to be wrong and thus you end up with November 2nd. A faith and value based, religiously influenced, conservative president who wants to conquer the world who doesn't see the value of quality of life. And most people follow his lead. It's quite sad.
Then you have John Kerry who tells people to visit his website (something 99% of us already do anyway) and this is what you have the problem with? It just doesn't make sense to me.
no? How is that getting down to a more personal level?Quote:
Originally Posted by WebHead
Kerry had to sell himself. Let me ask you, if you are buying a house, and dealing with a real estate agent, would you like to have someone there to show you around, or you gonna just go to a website and buy it?
Hey wait, 99% of who reads Kerry's website?
And I dont read everything you write, you forget I had you on ignore for quite some time for exactly the reasons I outlined.
Ah,... you're right. Point taken. Bottom line: Bush had a better sales pitch than Kerry and/or Kerry didn't have a good sales pitch and/or Kerry had a lousy sales pitch. Hmmm,.. interesting thought. Never heard it put that way before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Larommi
Ok,.. well you got me there. And being a sales rep formerly, I should know this. :p
No I mean,.. 99% of people look at websites (not specifically Kerrry's). And yes 99% is a made up number, but it's just to make a point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Larommi
kQuote:
Originally Posted by WebHead
Hey,.. btw Lar,.. you really hit the nail on the head with that thought about who had the better sales pitch. That is good creative thinking, I've never heard it worded that way by anyone and it's really making me realize how Bush has managed to win 2 terms of the presidents office. In fact,.. it's almost enough to give me a sense of closure on this whole thing. Yeah,.. this is good. Thanks for the insight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Larommi
Quote:
Originally Posted by craigmodius
I heard this stock rose 25 points in one day alone!
I have to defend Webby here. Its not such a bad thing to refer people to your website for more details. Dick Cheney did something similar in the VP debate to refer to Factcheck.org.Quote:
Originally Posted by WebHead
With limited time to speak, referring to a written source for more information at the end of your time is a good thing.
*lin*
Quote:
Originally Posted by craigmodius
The people I spoke to were not out specificaly for those reasons. They were out to defeat Kerry. The Democrats lost this on their own by spouting BS on a daily basis and underestimating the public's ability to seek the truth in many situations.
Though I agree that a large majority of people are very homophobic I really don't feel that was what played the biggest role here. The people I spoke to in line were there to defeat Kerry because they knew he would raise taxes and were afraid to have him as commander in chief.
Gotta to agree with ILTU. The folks I know who voted for Bush (I actually only know 2 Kerry voters up here) voted for him for the reasons that ILTU stated + some just didn't feel a connection or I guess a warm fuzzy with Kerry.
Quote:
Originally Posted by WebHead
No, the nail is kerry stating that he would show you how he could do things without raising taxes then diverting to a different subject and then stating, go to my website and then stating "Thants how we've show that we can do this".
If you go to his web site you can see what he's for but not how he wants to do anything!
FYI, the people are NOT against having heath care for all, they just don't want to pay half of their salary to get it.
The people are not all terrified of terrorists, they just don't want Kerry to be the guy who protects us.
Etc.
Webbie, you have no one to blame for this loss but people like yourself that kept pounding away with lie after lie after lie that people could simply turn on a radio to hear disproved. You and the others in the Democrat party severely underestimate the will and brainpower of a lot of folks. They are simply rejecting ANYTHING you say, even if it's true because of the inundation of lies being told by Democrats. There is your answer.
I see this race as an affirmation that there are enough of us paying attention to facts and checking up on things and rejecting those who spout BS to get elected. The 3.5 million person margin says that George Soros can't buy an election and the American PEOPLE run this country.
Most people are already paying half of their salary to tax and health care, esp those with a family. The health care also rises at a much sharper percentage then either tax or the pay.
My company's healthcare just got a lot worse in the last couple months. One of my coworker's is on medication for Crohn's disease, he just found out that he now has to pay 700 dollars every three months when it used to be 30 dollars per refill. That's a lot of money when you only take home 1000 dollars every two weeks and you are already just barely getting by.
He's probably just a dumb lazy person that doesn't want to work and live off the system tho. Screw him.
No they are not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleetus
GF:
$25,000 / year
$400/ month for her and child for $4800
ME:
$38,000 / year
$100 / month for me for $1200
Total is $63,000 and $6000 so that's less than 10% $63,000 - ($63,000 x 25% income tax) = 47,2500 - 6000 = $41,250 to pay for food and rent and car, etc.
If the government gets it then you pay about 45% in income taxes like canada does.
$63,000 - ($63,000 x 45% income tax) = 34,650
See, in the end, I loose $$$$$ so much so that I can't feed the girls or keep my car or have a roof. And don't tell me that the tax rate won't be that high because it would be because we will not let the quiality slip of the finest health care system in the world.
Very well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by ilovetheusers
It is notable how the common perception of the Republican party is 'big money' but the Democratic 527's had massive amounts of money this time and really accomplished next to nothing with it.
It is also interesting to hear all the posts complaining about the election being won based on values & faith.
So...the election was won based on the very things that our Founding Fathers used.
Imagine that.
*lin*
That's $233.33 a month for meds which is just too high. Has he looked for drugs that are covered under you plan? I have a similar issue with something that my doctor wants me on but it's $90. a month after perscription plan and it turns out that the insurance Co. would pay for an alternative.Quote:
Originally Posted by imaeditedbysowulo
Quote:
Originally Posted by ilovetheusers
It's definitely too much and it's a prescription that he needs to live comfortably without constant pain. He's not the type to only take 'brand name' stuff, he's the type that would take anything he could afford as long as it works. He just found out earlier this week, so far I haven't heard of him finding an alternative and he wsa still pretty fired up this morning, so my guess is nothing good has happened yet.
All signs are that our small company is about to get bought out by a much larger company, so maybe they'll have a better health care program than what we currently have. I'm just lucky to not have any health issues that require me to take medication 24/7. Must really suck to have that hanging over your head and never know when you will be required to pay more without any notice.
You have actual hard proof of these prices and rates and percentages?Quote:
Originally Posted by ilovetheusers
How about prescription drug prices or deductables or fees that the insurance company will decide not to pay? How about the self employed who will pay more then you and have higher deductables and crappier service?
Completely, and sadly, agree with this, as I'm living it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ilovetheusers
I think the 45% figure may be bit low though.
This year, I recall seeing that (again) Quebec workers were going to spend from January to July(?) for the government (federal and provincial), then until December for themselves.
Ask me if the medical system (service, wait times, emergency room waiting period, etc.) has improved.
Go on.
Ask.
Has it improved?Quote:
Originally Posted by a d e p t
Quote:
Originally Posted by imaeditedbysowulo
Good luck to him. My buds with chrons usually took percocett and opium for the pain which cost very little.
This is one of the few things either candidate delineated during the debates. Bush wants to make it possible for groups of small businesses to be able to band together to purchase health insurance at lower costs like the large businesses do.Quote:
Originally Posted by imaeditedbysowulo
This doesn't solve the problem, but its something.
*lin*
Yes, see Adepts post, he actually lives there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleetus
OK, lets add in the GF's meds of $20 a month. Also, doctors visits, probably 20 a year (guess) with copay of say $15.
12x$20 = $240
20x$15 = $300
I'm still $6000 short each year on your plan.
And yes, the self employed often do take the hit for higher rates, a heck of a lot more. But the self employed often times make a lot more money than others and can foot the bill a little better than I could.
Quote:
Originally Posted by a d e p t
I was guessing. If you don't mind what is your tax rate?
Quote:
Originally Posted by ilovetheusers
Hmmm, that doesn't sound like it would help their condition much, just mask the pain that their condition produces. I'm not sure what he's on, I'll ask him this afternoon and get an update but I think it's a type of medication that helps him digest food? I'm not too familiar with chrons so I don't know the whole situation.
Hopefully that cap they are putting on malpractice cases will help keep the cost down. Something definitely needs to be done quick. What the heck do people that don't have healthcare do? Chances are if you have a job that doesn't provide health care benefits you are making a very small amount of money, so how on earth do these people make ends meet?
I earn a pretty decent wage and can barely get by, I just don't understand how a family of four that with both spouses working make the same as me can possibly get by. Oh well, back to work so I don't lose my job.
Self employed also are hit with a higher tax rate.Quote:
Originally Posted by ilovetheusers
Dude, voodoo is self employed, no insurance, female(got the femal doctor to visit), asthma, allergic to almost everything on earth, and body is destroyed from 30 years of tennis and still trying to teach it.
I have seen the other side of the fence, I do have some expereince on what I am babbling on about.
#?&*&&!!! no. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by imaeditedbysowulo
Patients waiting for surgery pay to get it done in the States instead to avoid the risk of actually dying.
Hospitals are filled to overflowing capacity - people sleeping in hallways.
Emergency wards littered with people with colds and headaches because it's free and they have nothing better to do. I waited 12 hours once to be seen by a physician when my gall bladder was close to rupturing (pre operation).
I will say that the prescription med system is quite good though, as with my wife's condition and other ailments in the family we could easily be paying the equivalent of a mortgage payment on meds if it wasn't in place.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleetus
Yeah, we got that here too. :(
Sucks for anyone trying to make it on their own, to show a little initiative and *****ion.
You have to work twice as hard to get half as much.
Wow that's really bad. I thought we had it rough waiting an hour past a pre-scheduled appointment or waiting two hours at the emergency room with an actual emergency. That bites.Quote:
Originally Posted by a d e p t
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleetus
Really, where and when? Who is voodoo and no offense to anyone, but we all have hard breaks now and again. I'm not against helping people, I'm telling you that looking at the national health care systems in countries that have national health care that it's not as good as what we have and what we have is not just for the few.
I know what we have sucks, I'm just saying that nationalized health care is worse.
Voodoo, is the ex-with benefits ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ilovetheusers
She has been tryin to get health care for years now. All the other pro's who actually have health care get it through working spouses.
Well, good luck to her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleetus
I'm in a simlar boat with the girls, it sucks. I want us all on my insurance so it's just a tiny bit cheaper but we are not married and the kid is not mine.
Yep, and with the laws against gay marriage nor gay rights, it will be hard for couples like yourself to share eachothers benefits as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by ilovetheusers
Yeah I guess so but in my case I could just get married to my GF and end the whole issue. Dunno about the kid though, that might include adoption but maybe not...Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleetus
I dont think you need to adopt. The least you might have to do is become a legal guardian. I might be wrong. Its different in every state I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by ilovetheusers