who cares .. i own amd chips ... they both are good one is coke and ones pepsi .. who cares ... stop the fighting ..man dont you all have better things to do!!!!
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who cares .. i own amd chips ... they both are good one is coke and ones pepsi .. who cares ... stop the fighting ..man dont you all have better things to do!!!!
unknownGHOST you shouldn't be posting in Tech-to-Tech, try something in your own league - like "Newbies Room"
no one has mentioned the major determinig factor between two "equals".....PRICE!! if i can get a t-bird 1ghz for half the price of a piii. evenif the t-bird burns out(not likely) i've still managed to save $200...seems pretty simple to me
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, Geneva, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by unknownGHOST:
Intel is the way to go my friend! First of all, Intel contains MMX. Instruction code in which AMD doesn't have. AMD's had and still have 3/4 the code a Pentium would. I can say this with confidence since I used to have a machine (still do, just rebuilt) that originally had an AMD, it crashed all the time. It couldn't perform well. I just rebuilt it and rather AMD, I put a Pentium III and it has been running smoothe and fast since, not one crash yet! So, take my word, go INTEL! (Not to mention they invented the microprocessor)</font>
OMG does this guy own intel stock or is he really that stupid? Anyway sorry about that, never had a problem running AMDs been running them since NexGen (he he). If you really worried about the t-bird overheating get a good cooler not one built for a 486. If you have trouble finding a good fan email me and I will sell you one cheap!
Well lets see I put in my plug for selling stuff, ranted, etc. I guess I done for this post.
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By the time you buy a $40+ fan that I see so many of the AMD people here recommending, the certified 300W power supply AMD requires, and the certified RAM, is the AMD really a significantly cheaper chip? Just wondering. p.s. not to mention messing with the VIA chipsets....
Look, another Intel stockholder! Lemee clear up some facts:Quote:
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By the time you buy a $40+ fan that I see so many of the AMD people here recommending, the certified 300W power supply AMD requires, and the certified RAM, is the AMD really a significantly cheaper chip? Just wondering. p.s. not to mention messing with the VIA chipsets....</font>
You can get an AMD 1 GHZ approved Coolermaster fan for $15
Simple systems run fine with a 250 watt power supply....modem, VDC, CDR and CDRW..and I'm talking a GeForce2MX VDC.
Yeah, you have to get certified RAM...if you check out AccessMicro.com, you'll find 256 MB sticks of AMD-certified RAM for under $150, and it has a lifetime warranty.
More facts:
To buy Intel's latest processor you MUST buy a new case with a new powers supply...300 watt.
The fan is so huge on the P4 it has to be bolted to the case through 4 special holes.
The RAM is horribly expensive, and nothing will change that, because Rambus claims they invented RAM (I can't WAIT until IBM brings out MRAM..let's see Rambus mess with Big Blue! Hah!)
The P4 itself is horribly expensive, and usually doesn't top a 1 ghz Athlon in performance, unless you measure pure memory bandwidth (without accounting for latency) or use a set of instructions no one's using yet.
I personally thing the P4 is a mistake, and am waiting for the IA64 vs. x86-64 battle. The Pentium 3 is a good processor, and is the only way to go for SMP right now. Oh...and what's wrong with VIA chipsets?
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And no I don't own Intel stocks or shares, I just like all my customers to be happy ones, which is why they buy Intel.Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, Geneva, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by NPaladin:
Simple systems run fine with a 250 watt power supply....modem, VDC, CDR and CDRW..and I'm talking a GeForce2MX VDC.
Try telling that to the customer that I had in yesterday whose 250W AMD Approved PSU that works fine kept causing a 1Ghz T-Bird to reboot constantly until I changed it for a 350W! Nothing fancy in the system either. 8Mb ATI Xpert98, single 10Gb HDD, single 50x CD-Rom drive.
More facts:
To buy Intel's latest processor you MUST buy a new case with a new powers supply...300 watt.
Not entirely true. Look at Asus's new P4 MOBO which fits into a standard ATX case as it is supplied with a Patented back plate conversion. Looks as if it will work with normal ATX PSU's as well.
The RAM is horribly expensive, and nothing will change that, because Rambus claims they invented RAM (I can't WAIT until IBM brings out MRAM..let's see Rambus mess with Big Blue! Hah!)
True, but look at the price of DDR SDRAM for the new gen of Athlons.
The P4 itself is horribly expensive, and usually doesn't top a 1 ghz Athlon in performance, unless you measure pure memory bandwidth (without accounting for latency) or use a set of instructions no one's using yet.
Aren't ALL CPU's Expensive when first released???
I personally thing the P4 is a mistake, and am waiting for the IA64 vs. x86-64 battle. The Pentium 3 is a good processor, and is the only way to go for SMP right now.
I don't think the P4 is a mistake at all. If that is the case thenall new technology is a waste of time, so we may as well go back to our original systems we bought and tell the customers not to bother upgrading.
Oh...and what's wrong with VIA chipsets?
The drivers are utter crap and are about as stable as a 2 legged donkey after a night in a pub.
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Uhhh.... AMD is cool, huh huh hu hu
I could care less about Intel stock--after a divorce 3 years ago I'll be lucky to ever put a penny into savings again. I merely pointed out the details of what I've gleaned from being an active member of this site. Selling Intel only and avoiding VIA when possible, I've never seen any of the problems most often posted here. Why is it that most of the problem posts involve VIA chipsets, AMD processors, and GEForce video? The AMD could very well be a superior chip but what good is it if everything that goes with it has so many issues? I need to sell stability--as an independent, I can't afford to make 'tweak' warranty calls that I can't invoice. Perhaps when AMD's MB chipset is ready for mass shipment I'll have another option...
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, Geneva, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Darren Wilson:
Try telling that to the customer that I had in yesterday whose 250W AMD Approved PSU that works fine kept causing a 1Ghz T-Bird to reboot constantly until I changed it for a 350W! Nothing fancy in the system either. 8Mb ATI Xpert98, single 10Gb HDD, single 50x CD-Rom drive.
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Really? Hmm...that's interesting....that woulnd't happen to have been a Deer brand power supply, would it? I had trouble with them too...in essence they're pretty much 145 watt power supplies that can burst to 250 watt...some guy in Taiwan makes them in his basement. https://forums.windrivers.com/ Once I switched to Fong Kais (And quit my job....the guy who owned the store was HORRIBLY cheap) I didn't have any trouble.
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Not entirely true. Look at Asus's new P4 MOBO which fits into a standard ATX case as it is supplied with a Patented back plate conversion. Looks as if it will work with normal ATX PSU's as well.
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Perhaps, but the point I was trying to get across was that you have to buy a new case with both AMD and Intel's latest processors....do you know if the P4 requires a minimum 300 watt power supply? That IS interesting about the board...hadn't heard about that.
True...I will admit it's expensive, and I woulnd't touch it. But that just came to the consumer market, and Rambus has been there quite a while, so you also have to consider that. And with Rambus putting the muscle on Hitachi and everyone else for DDR, I doubt I'd buy a DDR board anyway...I'll wait for IBM's MRAM.Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, Geneva, Arial" size="2">True, but look at the price of DDR SDRAM for the new gen of Athlons.
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Yep, my bad. Thing is though, Intel's getting like Microsoft in this area, don't you think? Releasing a product before it's reached it's peak usability through testing. I do realize that once the P4 scales up in clock, it should be a fantasitc-running CPU....but I wonder why they just didn't wait until it could outperform an Athlon 1.2 before releasing it, by releasing a 1.8 ghz initially or something.Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, Geneva, Arial" size="2">Aren't ALL CPU's Expensive when first released???
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, Geneva, Arial" size="2">I don't think the P4 is a mistake at all. If that is the case thenall new technology is a waste of time, so we may as well go back to our original systems we bought and tell the customers not to bother upgrading.
THat's what I tell people who are interested in the P4...don't bother upgrading at this point. New Technology IS important, but most companies wait until it's reached a certain maturity before releasing it. From what I understand in Intel's roadmat, IA-64 will be out before the P4 reaches 2 Ghz...so they'll have 2 technologies out that could potentially take market share from each other.Quote:
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Oh...and I've never really had ANY trouble with VIA chipsets in general...I have one in my system and it's stable as you could possibly believe. It may be more the motherboard design that the VIA chipset that
s causing your problems, you know. But I do admit that connecting the Northbridge and Southbridge via the PCI bus is something that needs to change.
I think me and Darren need our own forum for this discussion....we get REAL technical. https://forums.windrivers.com/
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Well if you want everything to work with your machine Intel, if not and you want compatablilty problems go with AMD.
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have a look at this.
http://www.asus.com.tw/products/moth...m4/p4t/p4t.jpg
The Asus P4T.
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Well what an interesting way to spend Sunday morning, seing who has larger (well you know)
AMD and Intel both have their pro's and con's
and know amount of arguing is going to sort this one out. Sort out what you need the computer for, what you want it to do and the price you want to pay for it. Answer those questions and you will know what CPU to purchase.
btw....don't ask questions like that again they cause too many discrepancies. https://forums.windrivers.com/
i paid $260 an amd 166mmx when they were new.. i bought an athlon later with a via chipset.. this was back in 99.. i had nothing but problems.. wouldn't work with my agp card, locked up intemittantly. i'd be willing to be that amd chips have come a long way since then but, i've never ever had a problem with an intel chip...
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You know, I've noticed that 90% of the problems with AGP cards locking up on Athlons during games aren't the video card at all....it's your system memory, which people usually skimp on, buying the cheapest brand. Remember, AGP accesses a certain amount of your system memory...and if that's no good, it's GOING to lock up. Try shrinking your AGP aperature to 4 MB or less.....I'll bet it makes a difference. https://forums.windrivers.com/Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, Geneva, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by iateyourcat:
i paid $260 an amd 166mmx when they were new.. i bought an athlon later with a via chipset.. this was back in 99.. i had nothing but problems.. wouldn't work with my agp card, locked up intemittantly. i'd be willing to be that amd chips have come a long way since then but, i've never ever had a problem with an intel chip...
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