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This memorial is to be a statue. A statue is a piece of visual art. This art is a way for the artist to communicate to us his feeling about a topic.
Look past the political correctness of this for one second. The terrorist attacks were events that touched the entire nation. Everyone from all nationalities was affected, and reached out to help in any way that they could. This is symbolized in the statue.
When people look at the statue 50 or 100 years from now, are they going to say, hey see how this tradgedy brought together America as a whole, or are they going to say, look at how this tradgedy brought together 3 white firemen.
I believe that the race of the people in this sculpture is much less important than what the statue stands for. I frankly couldn't care less if the statue is less than historically accurate. This is a memorial to America and all her citizens, and that stands above all.
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I think the only memorial we should be making for 9/11 is a huuugggee hole in the ground that is now afganistan!!!!
That is the only one I need!!
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Yeah, that'll solve a lot of problems....let's just kill a few million innocent people who happen to live in a country that had some real corrupt politicians who harbored a few thousand terrorists. After we do this, the rest of the muslim world will just sit up and say, "Oh. We'd better do something to weed out our militant extremist element." Then no one will ever try to kill an American ever again...... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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The only point I'm trying to make is that when I see the picture, I don't see three white firemen. I only see three firemen period. I'm not even looking at what race or color they are.
However, someone else looked at the picture and saw three WHITE firemen and took it upon themselves to alter the image to serve some imagined need for political correctness. Why? Why does it need to be politically correct?
Again, I am only trying to express my opinion. Neither trying to sway someone else's opinion nor demean someone else's opinion.
In the end, I won't be unhappy if this statue did end up being the actual memorial (there needs to be one), but the whole political correctness agenda really sets me on edge. :(
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[quote]Originally posted by Sowulo:
<strong>Yeah, that'll solve a lot of problems....let's just kill a few million innocent people who happen to live in a country that had some real corrupt politicians who harbored a few thousand terrorists. After we do this, the rest of the muslim world will just sit up and say, "Oh. We'd better do something to weed out our militant extremist element." Then no one will ever try to kill an American ever again......</strong><hr></blockquote>
Wait a second, that's sarcasm right. I learned about that in the second grade.
[quote]Originally posted by Hippie_Tech:<strong>
The only point I'm trying to make is that when I see the picture, I don't see three white firemen. I only see three firemen period. I'm not even looking at what race or color they are.
However, someone else looked at the picture and saw three WHITE firemen and took it upon themselves to alter the image to serve some imagined need for political correctness. Why? Why does it need to be politically correct?
Again, I am only trying to express my opinion. Neither trying to sway someone else's opinion nor demean someone else's opinion.</strong><hr></blockquote>
The memorial is not being politically correct, it is trying to instill/represent that feeling of unity that we all felt in the days after WTC. You may not look at color/race/ethicity, but a number of people sure do. I would feel somewhat insulted if the other ethnicities, who died that day, were not represented in a memorial. To use those 3 firefighters in the memorial, it would be like building them a tribute and forgetting the other black, asian, hispanic and native americans who were casualties or sacrificed themselves in the line of duty. Last time I checked there aren't too many memorials built for living people. I haven't even talked about the sex of the people in the memorial, but that's another can of worms.
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Okay, I have an idea. How about we leave the memorial the way the artist intended and build ANOTHER memorial that includes everybody?
[quote]Originally posted by Sowulo:
<strong>...let's just kill a few million innocent people who happen to live in a country that had some real corrupt politicians who harbored a few thousand terrorists.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hmmm... wouldn't nuking Washington accomplish the same thing?
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[quote]Originally posted by Wayward Clam:
<strong>Okay, I have an idea. How about we leave the memorial the way the artist intended and build ANOTHER memorial that includes everybody?</strong><hr></blockquote>
The current idea includes a black, white and hispanic firefighter at the flagpole, but the problem is people want the memorial to mimic the picture of the three white firefighters.
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[quote]Originally posted by Wayward Clam:
<strong>Okay, I have an idea. How about we leave the memorial the way the artist intended and build ANOTHER memorial that includes everybody?
Hmmm... wouldn't nuking Washington accomplish the same thing?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Just so everyone's clear....I was offering a sarcastic response to Thunderwind's comment....now....
Clammy, while we're at it, we could become true anarchists and eliminate all governments and churches everywhere.....at least then everyone else would be killing each other because they had a personal grudge against someone else, not because some politician or religious leader told them to...... :p :rolleyes: :p
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Oops. I guess that wasn't too PC of me to joke about such things..... :(
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[quote]Originally posted by Sowulo:
<strong>Clammy, while we're at it, we could become true anarchists and eliminate all governments and churches everywhere.....at least then everyone else would be killing each other because they had a personal grudge against someone else, not because some politician or religious leader told them to...... :p :rolleyes: :p </strong><hr></blockquote>
That's the kind of comments that would usually get you a big
"EDITED BY SOWULO"
:D
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Sowulo, I stand by my own post and claim it is legit. You said (sarcastically) that destroying Afghanistan would:
"kill a few million innocent people who happen to live in a country that had some real corrupt politicians who harbored a few thousand terrorists."
Let's see... bombing Washington would kill a few million innocent people... who live in a country that definitely has some real corrupt politicians... and has also harbored terrorists in the past as well...
Bombing Ottawa or London or Geneva or Buenos Aires would also accomplish the same thing, too...
Where's the issue?
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[quote]Originally posted by Wayward Clam:
<strong>Sowulo, I stand by my own post and claim it is legit. You said (sarcastically) that destroying Afghanistan would:
"kill a few million innocent people who happen to live in a country that had some real corrupt politicians who harbored a few thousand terrorists."
Let's see... bombing Washington would kill a few million innocent people... who live in a country that definitely has some real corrupt politicians... and has also harbored terrorists in the past as well...
Bombing Ottawa or London or Geneva or Buenos Aires would also accomplish the same thing, too...
Where's the issue?
:confused: </strong><hr></blockquote>
Oh, I wasn't disagreeing with you at all--I was only taking your great idea and running with it but of course with my tongue very firmly planted in my cheek just to cover my butt if someone decided we had a good idea.... :D :D :D
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Ah. My bad then. We now return you to your regularly scheduled outrage.
:D
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[quote]Originally posted by Sowulo:
<strong>...with my tongue very firmly planted in my cheek just to cover my butt...</strong><hr></blockquote>
BTW, I'm not too sure I like the anatomical connotations of this post... :eek: :eek: :eek:
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[quote]Originally posted by Wayward Clam:
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BTW, I'm not too sure I like the anatomical connotations of this post... :eek: :eek: :eek: </strong><hr></blockquote>
ROFL....anyone for a game of Twister???? :D
