Warchalking??

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Originally Posted by mongo69

Well I am glad you asked just by the mer fact you have no official business there or on that network that in itself is a crime you are still unlawfully entering the building just because of your "intent". In this case the use of the word "intent" is Your intent is to plug into a network jack and use the connection with no official business of that connection but to steal.

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So what is the difference between connecting to a business network that you officially have no business on and connecting to a home network that you have no official business on? Seems hypocritical to me.

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Originally Posted by mongo69

One last note Millennium is spelt this way not your way (milenium) and so is bandwidth not yours (bandwith).

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You are correct on both accounts. :rolleyes:

If you don't protect your wireless network it's negligence on your part. Just like firewalls and Anti-Virus if you don't use them and something happens.... Sorry to bad for you.

End of story

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Originally Posted by Escape_Driver

If you don't protect your wireless network it's negligence on your part. Just like firewalls and Anti-Virus if you don't use them and something happens.... Sorry to bad for you.

End of story

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This may be true but it doesn't make it right. That is the whole point I'm trying to get across.

if you want to see some videos about war driving and such check out www.thebroken.org pretty cool video clips. as for people with wide open wireless connections i feel they are fair game, depending on what they are being used for general surfing and email and such, i dont really see any harm in that, but d/l porn warez and that kind of stuff isnt really cool. although a freind of mine who went up to toronto for school and ordered a dsl connection to his appartment lived off a neigbouring business wide open wireless network for 3 weeks until his dsl was hooked up.

on another note a local computer shop in my home town has wardriven the entire city and put a map in his shop of all the wireless hotspots all over town, most of them being government.

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Originally Posted by BIGGS

if you want to see some videos about war driving and such check out www.thebroken.org pretty cool video clips. as for people with wide open wireless connections i feel they are fair game, depending on what they are being used for general surfing and email and such, i dont really see any harm in that, but d/l porn warez and that kind of stuff isnt really cool. although a freind of mine who went up to toronto for school and ordered a dsl connection to his appartment lived off a neigbouring business wide open wireless network for 3 weeks until his dsl was hooked up.

on another note a local computer shop in my home town has wardriven the entire city and put a map in his shop of all the wireless hotspots all over town, most of them being government.

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Oh no you did NOT just go there. The broken have got to be some of the dumbest idiots I've ever heard. The first video taught you how to steal. The second was just as dumb. The third was some what informative but still stupid. Go look at their forum members. The oldes I found was 19 but he'd been there for 3 years.

As for conencting to another ap even to "just for surfing and email" is still stealing. Everybody jumped all over scorpylus (sorry for butchered sp :D) for getting into somebodys computer. What the difference?

And please do not mix wardriving and stealing bandwith. They are two completly different things.

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Originally Posted by Gollo

If you don't need to then do what your doing. It's just safer that way (and faster). I just LOVE the fact that I can sit out in the living room or anywhere in the house (or yard) and work on whatever. That and school let's us connect via wireless.

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I was old school for a long time with my router but I after buying a new notebook and using it more and more I was tired of just sitting in my office with a Cat5 cable going across the floor... always being kicked around by my dogs...

Going wireless allowed me to take the notebook out into the living room with the fireplace... the kitchen and even next door when helping a neighbor sign up for DSL service.

I was rightfully worried about security but I have my router locked down and I monitor what is going on regularly. Matter of fact somebody in my neighborhood now how a wireless router, I see its signal once in a while.

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Originally Posted by Cleetus

What if my neighbor has their windows open and is watching porn? Is it theft if I watch that way?

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When we go to Pismo Beach (CA) we often drive up to San Louis Obispo where there is a drive-in (Sunset Drive-In) that uses FM radio for sound. The signal was good enough to hear the movie being played in the surrounding neighborhood.

SOOOOOOO, is it stealing when the locals watch the movie on their roof using a portable radio??? :)

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Originally Posted by NetScum

When we go to Pismo Beach (CA) we often drive up to San Louis Obispo where there is a drive-in (Sunset Drive-In) that uses FM radio for sound. The signal was good enough to hear the movie being played in the surrounding neighborhood.

SOOOOOOO, is it stealing when the locals watch the movie on their roof using a portable radio??? :)

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I'm sorry. All I could picture after reading this was Bugs Bunny popping out of a hole with a laptop. Did you have all the clams you could eat?

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Originally Posted by Gollo

Oh no you did NOT just go there. The broken have got to be some of the dumbest idiots I've ever heard. The first video taught you how to steal. The second was just as dumb. The third was some what informative but still stupid. Go look at their forum members. The oldes I found was 19 but he'd been there for 3 years.

As for conencting to another ap even to "just for surfing and email" is still stealing. Everybody jumped all over scorpylus (sorry for butchered sp :D) for getting into somebodys computer. What the difference?

And please do not mix wardriving and stealing bandwith. They are two completly different things.

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i said to go there because they have some videos about wardriving, i didnt say they teach it. and what the heck does age have to do with anything? and as far as stealing goes that is a huge grey area, there arnt any laws yet defining using a wide open wireless connection and the only conviction was from that guy downloading kiddie porn but he was busted because of the kiddie porn. and i know wardriving is when you go looking for wap's .

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Originally Posted by BIGGS

i said to go there because they have some videos about wardriving, i didnt say they teach it. and what the heck does age have to do with anything? and as far as stealing goes that is a huge grey area, there arnt any laws yet defining using a wide open wireless connection and the only conviction was from that guy downloading kiddie porn but he was busted because of the kiddie porn. and i know wardriving is when you go looking for wap's .

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These devices should be networked to each other to make a combined local area network(or something like it) that would make an interesting experiment. Kind of like a wireless internet but on a small scale.

That would scare the **** out of the telcos. What happens if every one starts connecting wirelessly to each other and stops paying for the internet. They would have NO control anymore.

Hell that concept would scare more than the telcos

My $0.02 worth !

Wireless networks present a problem in terms of security no ifs or buts about that - its not like a physical wire you'd have to tap, its 'public' & operates within the public domain - nobody owns the 'air' (I suppose the government do 'technically' but they license devices to use frequency ranges, not specific data or networks or information) ...

As correctly said earlier using someones bandwidth from this 'public' source would constitute 'theft of service' - but hang on a mo it might always be on ...

'Theft' is the act of permanatly depriving someone of something, so its only a 'crime' if the paying user wanted to use it while the thief was in ... if you made any attempt to secure it at all, then 'the tresspasser' committed a crime (under 'whatever' privacy laws apply where you are), if you didn't, then as long as they don't 'attack' your system at all & you weren't trying to use it yourself (at that time as bandwidth is a momentary thing - it doesn't 'accumulate'), then they didn't (commit any crime) 'technically' ...

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Originally Posted by confus-ed

My $0.02 worth !

Wireless networks present a problem in terms of security no ifs or buts about that - its not like a physical wire you'd have to tap, its 'public' & operates within the public domain - nobody owns the 'air' (I suppose the government do 'technically' but they license devices to use frequency ranges, not specific data or networks or information) ...

As correctly said earlier using someones bandwidth from this 'public' source would constitute 'theft of service' - but hang on a mo it might always be on ...

'Theft' is the act of permanatly depriving someone of something, so its only a 'crime' if the paying user wanted to use it while the thief was in ... if you made any attempt to secure it at all, then 'the tresspasser' committed a crime (under 'whatever' privacy laws apply where you are), if you didn't, then as long as they don't 'attack' your system at all & you weren't trying to use it yourself (at that time as bandwidth is a momentary thing - it doesn't 'accumulate'), then they didn't (commit any crime) 'technically' ...

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I don't know about over there but here in the US if you even ASSOCIATE to a wireless network it is considered "plugging in". Yes people are stupid and don't secure their networks. (Useless info of the day: M$ wireless equipment is the ONLY consumer based product that has wep enabled by default). That whole line of thought that "if it's not secure it's free for the taking" is flawed in so many ways. It is my choice to leave my car unlocked (and maybe even the keys in it with the windows down) but that does not give you the right to hop in and use the radio (or take it for a spin).

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Originally Posted by confus-ed

My $0.02 worth !
'Theft' is the act of permanatly depriving someone of something, so its only a 'crime' if the paying user wanted to use it while the thief was in

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I don't agree with that line of thinking at all. Does that mean anybody can steal my car without comitting a crime so long as they have it back before I need to use it again?

Or what about my wife? Can people take her for "a ride" just because I am not "using her"? Maybe this is not really a crime (or is it?), but you get the point.

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Originally Posted by 3fingersalute

I don't agree with that line of thinking at all. Does that mean anybody can steal my car without comitting a crime so long as they have it back before I need to use it again?

Or what about my wife? Can people take her for "a ride" just because I am not "using her"? Maybe this is not really a crime (or is it?), but you get the point.

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Fine bit of 'taking out of context' there :p - go back & read all that I put ;)

In the examples you give in 'defence' the first would be TWOC (taking without consent) - the second would be adultery & btw you don't 'own' your wife, she's free to make her own decisions, or ought to be - so neither of these is 'theft'.

I was talking specifically about the use of the wireless capacity that otherwise would go unused & therefore wasted ..

Well u cant do warchalking here much, no WLANs, atleast not much anyway.