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Originally Posted by confus-ed
Please refer or quote the part where Bush is blaming ETA. I don't see that anywhere in that article.
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Originally Posted by confus-ed
Please refer or quote the part where Bush is blaming ETA. I don't see that anywhere in that article.
Lucky!?! Choose your words with better care. I don't even think that fortunate would be appropriate terminology...The whole war was the worst mess the earth has ever seen…Quote:
Originally Posted by Escape_Driver
But it could have been much worse had certain events had happened slightly different (Japan attacking USA, and hitler dalaying the attack on britain are two things that come to mind)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ya_know
No lucky... Like the aircraft carriers not being in Pearl Harbor, Like Hitler stopping research on his new weapons (JET and Triger Tanks) and just developing the V1 and V2 or how about invading Russia. Or how about the battle of Midway where the dive bomers caught the Japanise just landing their planes for refueling.. Lucky is more like it... But thank god it turned out the way it didQuote:
Originally Posted by Ya_know
Okay so in all honesty I saw the E.T.A. 'gaffe' on TV & no amount of googling can turn up the exact clip of him reading the statement which was 'unfamiliar' to him - in the bit I saw he was saying eta (the 'brilliant' quip being aimed at his mis-pronouciation of Eta (eh-taa) as opposed to 'e - t - a' ) or muslim fundamentalists - nobody knows for sure now, let alone on the morning when it happened...Quote:
Originally Posted by Zil
But surley the article I gave at least partially backs me up?
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American officials said the evidence was still inconclusive. Some circumstances of the attack pointed toward the Basque separatist group, ETA, or a particularly violent faction, while other information suggested Islamic extremists, the officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity
(that's when he said it 'wrong')Quote:
Addressing reporters while standing at Ruperez's side, Bush praised Spain's "strong stand against terrorism, terror organizations like ETA." Ruperez said nothing.
The spanish chucked a lying government out - the old spanish governenments position was it was absolutely definately eta & nothing to do with lies over wmd or any al-quaeda connectrion .. they got told the same cobblers as us - my point was that its a warning to all the various governements involved to stop using the media etc to twist things around so they 'fit' in todays version of events - various folks popping up all over saying the same thing 'or nearly' smacks of colusion between these various supposedly independant leaders ..
Nah, WWI was the worst mess the world has seen, no reason, no rhyme, no clear cut good guys, no messed up idealogies, no massive evil, just mass amounts of waste of human lives
There was the lack of use of chemical agents on the landing beaches that comes to mind...Quote:
Originally Posted by Khazad
http://www.calpoly.edu/~drjones/HIST.htm
I don't know I think Field marshall Haig was pure evil... But your right that was the biggest waste of life everQuote:
Originally Posted by Cleetus
When I was in Basic Training in 1967, they told us that the beginning of chemical warfare was in WW1, when chlorine gas was introduced in the trenches. Now they lied about some other stuff, but I don't see why they would have lied about this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ya_know
huh ? lied to who about what ? - I'm not aware that anyone used chemical weapons in WWII, yeah they used 'gas' in WWI .. starting with chlorine & then getting 'smarter' with mustard gas etc, Hitler got gassed in WWI & that's why the Nazis possibly didn't use them .. This refers & thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Tekboy
I thought we were writing how the world see's America's constitution & how we might get an 'honest one' as an "outsider's guide" (taking the piss 'muchly' on the way of course ;)) ..
That is correct. Volunteer pilots flew for the British, and were part of the famous Flying Tigers in China vs the Japanese.Quote:
Originally Posted by jitBob
I would say you are correct in more than a few ways here. At that time, war was still thought of as a glorious adventure. That was before the world saw what the new and mass produced invention called the machine gun could do on the battlefield.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleetus
(Major-General Sir Beauvoir de Lisle, Commander of the 29th British Division, reporting on the efforts of the 1st Newfoundland Regiment in the battle of the somme)Quote:
"It was a magnificent display of trained and disciplined valour, and its assault only failed of success because dead men can advance no further."
10km of ground gained for over 600,000 'casualties' all in about two days ..
19th centuary battle tactics meet the machine gun & get bogged down in Trench warfare !
For sheer 'dumbness of tactics' every first world war general needs special mention ! :rolleyes:
However !!! - no way is this the 'worst mess' - America has that one all to itself :eek2:
Hiroshima & Nagaski !!! - that was the slaughter of 140,000 civilian men women & children ... with an estimated 500,000 dying afterward because of the effects of radiation - now that truely was bad ...
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However !!! - no way is this the 'worst mess' - America has that one all to itself :eek2:
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Not even close my friend.
How many civilians did the Japanese slaughter in China alone?
How many Civilians did the Germans kill in Russia? In Poland? Then include the Jews that were executed in the concentration camps, which as I recall included an appalling number of women and children.
How many civilians did Stalin execute?
How many innocent children did Saddam kill? And yes, he did it with WMD.
The U.S is the worst of the worst? I think not.
Just my 2 cents but I was wondering how many many people have risked their lives (overcrowded boats, swimming, Stowing away on ships, crossing desserts, etc...) to get into these other so called "enlightened" countries? It's amazing how the people of the world turn against us at the drop of a hat, but then turn around and try to reap as much financial aide and support when it benefits themselves. Everyone speaks out about Mr. Bush but how many spoke out this time 1 or 2 years ago against Sadam Hussein? Oh I forgot, they were to busy unloading all that illegally bought oil to say anything. Oil for food my _SS!