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And the people that make them up... :thumbs:Quote:
Originally Posted by gazzak
And people who post six times in a poll https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2006/04/1.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Ya_know
And Jitbob... :butt:Quote:
Originally Posted by jitBob
These same people also forget that they may be afronting your [un]beliefs by pushing their view.Quote:
Originally Posted by CodeDragon
I'm curious about something.
When does it become a personal affront to share your opinions with someone else, be it political, philosophical, religious or even child-rearing perspectives?
When the listener disagrees with the speaker?
When the other party communicates discomfort at talking about a specific topic?
When the speaker transgresses some invisible line?
When the listener says outright they don't wish to talk about it?
What is the magical point where another person's views become aggressive/offensive?
This is a good question. . . . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by a d e p t
. . . . . for me it's when the the other party in the discussion doesn't listen or respect my differing viewpoint(s) . . . . because when I sense that this is the case it's no longer a discussion (which I enjoy) but rather a sales pitch . . . . and I hate sales pitches in general . . but particularly religious or political sales pitches. . . . why should I respect what someone else has to say when it's clear they have no intention of listening to or respecting what I have to say.
. . . . . it's hard to say how I know this is the case, but it's just something that is easily sensed at the time. it's often a subtle difference, but a difference none the less. it's the difference between SHARING your beliefs, and trying to convert someone to them. if your purpose is to SHARE, you should be willing and anxious to hear what the other person wants to share, if your purpose is to convert, you aren't really even interested in sharing your beliefs but rather getting the other person to believe them too.
I guess it's easiest to say when judgement is involved is when I get turned off. If I may use christianity as an example. . . . . if someone wants to tell me how wonderful their life is because of their christian faith and also wants to hear about my thoughts on god and beliefs and compare/contrast them in meaningful and insightful dialouge, I'm all for it. But if they want to "save" me because my beliefs are wrong and sending me to hell, then they can just save their breath for someone else.
It becomes objectionable if the person being "spoken down to/lectured at" has undergone a trauma in one or more of thses catagories and/or the opinion given is uncaring/spiteful/hurtful/unsymapthetic/unfactual [for want of a better word]/unwanted or even where the opinion becomes in effect an order.Quote:
Originally Posted by a d e p t
Kato's post was very interesting, but this one is - I think - more accurate of the popular viewpoint on debating, discussing and communicating with others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Archer
I.E. - it's all a matter of perspective, and that mostly from the standpoint of the "listener".
How can one know if the other has suffered trauma or just disagrees?
Better yet, how can we impartially evaluate a speaker's intent when relying on our own sensory feedback and its accompanying influences?
I suggest that it is impossible not to offend someone, somewhere, at some time. No matter how sensitive you may wish to be, sometimes your words are not accepted with the intent you wished to carry with them.
Anyone in a romantic relationship will know what I mean here. https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif
What do you guys think?
As long as we speak in a conversatory mood and not talk/lecture as if we are on a television with an absent audience then its possible to pick up cues from body language and responses as to how to proceed with our conversation.Quote:
Originally Posted by a d e p t
After all even the worst stage performer knows when they are not pleasing the audience.
Given everyones personnel construsts are quite different due to experiences and cultures it is quite easily to offend a person and very hard to please all [unless they are a pre primed receptive audience i.e. a political convention] but to not try is an insult in itself.
I know the witnesses piss me off showing up early in the morning on a weekend (Up before 10AM on Sunday morn NEVER) they came to my door 5 weeks in a row... So on the sixth week I put a bottle of ketchup by the front door... When they came knocking I covered my hands in Ketchup and nicely asked if they could come back after I finish sacrificing the cat.... They never bothered me again... But I did get a visit from the humane society...
P.S No Cats where harmed during this incident...
That's a great story... :thumbs2:
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Originally Posted by Ya_know
My mother is a little more militant with them.. her favorite is to ask them to leave and then turn the hose on them...
Thats not militant thats good policy :D
A friend of mine (large, overweight guy) likes to tell about the time he answered the door in black Speedos with a white, inverted pentacle on the front of them one fine Sunday morning...
Apparently Witnesses haven't bothered him since... :devil: