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Originally Posted by jitBob
Let me clarify.
I know the lack of equipment was there before the vote (the Army didn't account for the types of weapons used by the insurgents). The vote was to better equip these guys. Kerry could have voted to better equip them, he didn't.
Let me repeat myself, he wanted to in a fiscally responsible way, unlike the President.
Sorry, thats not funny to me. While I do not agree what Kerry did, I dont agree with this either.
This is no more funny or cool than that smear movie Moore did.
Enough of the smears...lets get some facts. Like what the canidates plan on doing, not what they did.
OK, obviously the huge majority of people here do not like the mocking. And, I must admit that I wasn't crazy about it either.
But let me clarify, this was not a mocking of all Purple Heart honorees. It was an attempt to mock Kerry for his extremely minor injuries that warranted his Purple Hearts. From what I've been able to find out, he never spent any time in the hospital for any of his injuries and is not receiving any disability of any kind for those injuries. There have even been accusations that he requested one of his Purple Hearts for a minor injury from his first commander and was turned down...then when a new commander transferred in, he requested it again and this time it was approved. It just all seems pretty sleazy to me.
As everybody here knows, there are a heck of a lot of veterans that weren't so lucky. I have nothing but the highest regard for war veterans.
Anyway, I sincerely apologize to the people that I offended and I will make a concerted effort not to post such sleazy posts in the future. Please don't hold this against the President or all Republicans in general.
They should've figured all that out before rushing into a war they didn't have a plan for. That way we wouldn't have to throw money around like it's no object.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zil
No no. Please post away. I want to know about this stuff. You are not the one who offended anyone. The delegates are the ones who acted irresponsibly. You just reported the story. I mean,.. you did report it in a Fox News kind of way,.. but thats to be expected of you because George W Bush (who did not serve in any war ever) is your hero.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaxSon
I would like to point out that the purple heart does not signify the extent of the damage of an injury,... it is symbolic of heroism. What the neocons don't get is that a true hero puts his life on the line to save another and doesn't run away to hide behind daddy when the going gets tough. I don't care if Kerry had a slight scratch, a large puncture wound, a split end or a hang-nail,... he got the injury while being heroic saving another mans life. That is why he earned the purple heart award!
I agree that this is not a laughing matter. Even if they were only aiming it at Senator Kerry, not everyone that has ever served or received this award, I do not think it was appropriate.
However, I don't think that President Bush should have to apologize or whatever you're wanting him to do for what these people did. As was already mentioned, the Republicans have not asked Senator Kerry to apologize for the things that have been said by any of the 527s that have bashed Bush (moveon.org for instance) or by Michael Moore. I think that the ones that wore them should apologize for this disrespect.
Wasn't it also Senator Kerry that said in 1992 in an NPR piece thatQuote:
Originally Posted by WebHead
And also in the Congressional Records (10/08/92, p. S17709) Kerry said:Quote:
I'm here personally to express my anger, as a veteran, that a president who would stand before this nation in his inaugural address and promise to put Vietnam behind us is now breaking yet another promise and trying to use Vietnam and service in order to get himself re-elected. That is not an act of leadership, that is an act of shame and cowardice.
So, according to him at that point in time when he was defending former President Clinton and the allegations that were coming out of his draft-dodging during the Vietnam war, prior service in war shouldn't be something that is used to gain a political position.Quote:
Mr. President, you and I know that if support or opposition to the war were to become a litmus test for leadership, America would never have leaders or recover from the divisions created by that war. You and I know that if service or nonservice in the war is to become a test of qualification for high office, you would not have a Vice President, nor would you have a Secretary of Defense and our Nation would never recover from the divisions created by that war.
Just my $.02. That is all for now.
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Originally Posted by flyboy747
I am not asking him to apologize. I am asking him to condemn these delegates actions.
Ok. Not apologize but condemn. My bad. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by WebHead
Still though, on a somewhat related topic, since you are saying that President Bush should condemn these delegates as well as previously being told by the Kerry campaign and other democrats that he should condemn the Swiftboat Vets ads (which he did and condemned ads attacking not only him but Kerry as well), should Kerry not also be asked to condemn these ads and all of the things that have been said by these organizations and groups about Bush?
I personally am offended by the fact that these delegates are shaming the integrity of the award of purple heart for American soldiers that earned the award in the Vietnam war. Therefore I am asking Bush to condemn the ugly act because it is his duty to do so as our current commander in chief out of respect to the soldiers. This is why I posted the thread with the phone number so that people can call the Bush campaign headquarters with complaints on this matter. This is what I am doing about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by flyboy747
If you have a specific action that you would like Kerry to condemn,.. then by all means, ask him to condemn it. Get the number, post it. Do whatever you need to do if you feel strongly enough about it.
DNC - 202-863-8000Quote:
Originally Posted by WebHead
Kerry-Edwards Campaign Headquarters - 202-712-3000
I hope this hasn't come across as me saying that I'm not offended by the actions of these delegates - I am very offended that they did this.
Didn't drudgereport have a picture linking to a news site of John Kerry during his speech asking Bush to condemn the ads while standing behind him was a person holding up a Bush AWOL bumper sticker?
And since when is making fun of someone for going AWOL equally as bad as mocking an award for heroism?
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Originally Posted by Wayward Clam