I have all my receipts and always have gotten replacements/money back on defective stuff.
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I have all my receipts and always have gotten replacements/money back on defective stuff.
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Originally Posted by RejectionMan
Why not just RMA the board to the maker? Wait, that's like a 4 year old board isn't it? I hope you didn't pay more than $20 for it.
Also, I got the MSI board with the 2700. I now feel I should explain how my house runs.
See, I have 2 PC's, 1 for "stuff" and one for games. The kid has a PC and the GF has a crap PC for e-mail/web surfing/vpn to work where she works via pro com(telnet). The IDE channels on the motherboard are giving odd errors and the unitwill not accept a controller card (it just grey screens when I put one in any socket). She's wanted the ability to play games on her PC for some time and in order to do so it would be good to have something semi decent. In the interrim I'm give her my web surfing/test bed machine and I'm going to utilize a lot of spare parts from earlier upgrades to have this set up for myself:
Video/Photo Editing and Entertainment:
2.0mhz P4
asus p4b533
Matrox G550
512mb 2100 ddr
2x80gb raid0 7200rpm
120gb 7200rpm
3com NIC
dvd
cd burner
Thermaltake 420 PSU
Maxtop case
Games:
Athlon XP 2700
MSI KT6V-LSR
ati 9800 pro
512mb 2100 ddr
160gb 7200rpm
dvd
Fortron 350 PSU
She has:
800mhz athlon
abit kt7a-raid
sb live value
ati rage fury
512mb 100mhz sdram
3com NIC
ibm 120 gb 7200rpm
Generic 400watt
Generic Tower
In the future when she wants to start gaming with me (presently her schedule prohibits this) she will get my gaming PC and I will just up and get a whole new next gen rig. Her old PC goes to her mother and the cycle of PC's begins all over again.
So, I bought the stuff below for less than $300 and played with the configuration of all the machines in my house to accomidate this stuff and I make out in the end:
Athlon XP 2700
MSI KT6V-LSR
160gb 7200rpm
bought that board brand new for way to much. Thats waht they told me it was, and I'm going to be damn sure to get atleast 1 year of waranty on it or im going to go nuts on them.
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Originally Posted by RejectionMan
Oh. You can still get them brand new - see HERE (Just an example, I hate PC-Chips). I meant if it was used that you should not have paid real $$ for it.
If you already have the other parts of the PC, this does make a nice way to keep costs down.
Who is the manufacturer of the board? If it's new there should be a manufacturer's warranty on it and you should be able to RMA it to them. :thumbs:
Its a DFI CA64-BC
All the components with the exception of the CPU work fine in an older BX440 based board.
With this new board and used CPU (on a new XP install) will crash under the following conditions:
After installing SP2
After installing WiFi card driver
After installing Catylst drivers for 7500 AIW
Regualry screws up IDE device detection on secondary channel (CDRW or DVD drive detected as gobbly gook aka AOpen DVD = Agerwt $#@ or Sony CD-RW = S$%@GFSGD)
Regularly Crashes when accessing devices attached to Seconary IDE
Ran MPrime on CPU - it crashed
Hardware:
P3- 700 (not over clocked) operating at 25 degrees C
Radeon 7500 AIW
Promise ATA100TX2
Dlink NIC
LinkSys WiFi - G
3X 256 MB PC 133
WD 80 GB SE
Fujitsu 8 GB
Sony 8X CDRW
AOpen 16X DVD
so its either this board or the CPU (which Im stuck with)
lesson learned: dont dick around upgrading to old technoogy from older tech, just go to current and be done with it. Watch them void the warranty for attaching chipset cooling.... (which it should have as every other board with the same chipset has!)
rant
Why dose my @$$ always hurt after delaling with local retailers? (probaly because I started in retail and know what its like to have a customer blow up, so I dont do that, I just report them the the BBB, the chamber of commerce, and post bad reviwes of their business... maybe I should just blow up.)
/rant
So I know I told you to go & have a rant in the shop ;), but now reading your 'full circumstances' I've got to ask, just how sure are you, on that ?Quote:
Originally Posted by RejectionMan
From what you describe in the rest of your post, I'd say lots of other things first before concluding that & the only certain way is to test all the bits seperately by swapping out, unless you have specialist equipment & bench tech skills ..
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Originally Posted by RejectionMan
Just a couple quick questions.
Have you run a memory tester line memtest86 on it yet and what sort of PSU do you have?
No memory tests run, memory is also from the BX440 board (yes I know it only supports PC100, but PC133 works and was cheaper, memory was also run in a Slot A Anthalon system with no "apperent" problems) Slot processors are my specialty, worked as a retail tech for 2 years when they were first coming out, and then went to school and network major. Have all the book learning to go with "hard skills" now, so I just have to get caught up on the Technology again (aka 64 Bit processors! holy crap!) getting educated realy means your paying someone to have no life.Quote:
All the components with the exception of the CPU work fine in an older BX440 based board.
PS is Enermax 350, possible that its a tad light on the Watts, but if that was the case then it should have worked striped down to video, cpu and RAM.
sure that its the board, or that im stuck with the CPU? (bought the processor used over a month ago, have been messing with a Slocket adapter (between being sick and wreking my car) and gave up and sprung for this board. Im deffinalty not going to be able to recover costs on the CPU, I'll be happy if I can back out of the Mother Board.)Quote:
So I know I told you to go & have a rant in the shop , but now reading your 'full circumstances' I've got to ask, just how sure are you, on that ?
I had to post that dual channel is NOT a reason to go with 939...there are other reasons. Dual channel benchmarks say it all. I bought a socket 754...but then again I bought a couple months ago. They're right about the memory thing...latency makes a HUGE difference in performance with the AMD processors unlike the Intel chips. That Kingston (that's what u have correct) will be 2100 AND crappy latency on top of that. You are on the right track for the 2700 if you can't afford memory too....and nevermind BTX....it will be many years before it becomes a real standard...it's not even in the roadmap for AMD and they don't plan on implementing it.
Joe
Dual channel IS a reason, although it may not provide the same performance that say Super Ultra Ballistix XMS PC 56,039,304 will, it does have some impactQuote:
Originally Posted by FireAm94
.. yeah conceptually 2x effect - is that not 'some enough' ? But yes on most implementations you are only getting something like 5% 'better' !!! - however I can't find any benchmarks for anyone running 64 bit windows & having read this I have a feeling with that - it'll be more ..Quote:
Originally Posted by Radical Dreamer
& on BTX motherboards if you don't what the hell that is, try this Here Comes BTX: Should You Care? (& as a btw its all ready becoming standard & definately this or similar will be adopted as atx layout is just pooh for thermal issues & airflow 'really' )
I personally don't have a problem with airflow....the AMD 64 processors don't run hot and generate as much heatsoak in the case. Here is AMD's stance on BTX http://www.techspot.com/story16412.html . I won't look hard for a dual channel benchmark link because that info is common knowledge. The 754 chips actually win in some benchmarks. What I negleted to say was 90nm is the real reason for socket 939. The dual channel performance is not enough to even notice as has been proven time and time again.
Joe
About one or two months ago i bought a Asus K8V SE Deluxe, chipset Via, for a new 64 bits 3200.Quote:
Originally Posted by ilovetheusers
For about 15 days it runed without any problems with my oem 266 Mhz RAM, but its truth: as soon as I replaced the ram with a new oem of 400 Mhz, the benchmarks just jumped.
Conclusion: why dont you buy a good motherboard, and just try the dam RAM? In my point of view its a great mistake to buy now a old mobo. You should go for socket 939 with PCIexpress, but better than that, you shoul wait to see if socket 939 suport the future dual core CPU's from AMD. The only problem would bee that you had to change the video card to PCIExpress also, but with the new Nvidia6200 that isnt tha expensive (about 100-150 Euros).
Oh, and by the way, just dont buy any Pentium: they are hot, they are slower, and almost for shure if you wont to upgrade the CPU in the future, you will bee for shure obliged to bye a new mobo (thats Intel marketing policy, always changing chipsets to force people buy them).
Greetings from the country of Sun
Dual core is supported with 940 and 939....but not 754. I love the A64's...the overclock in my sig is with the stock cooling fan. =)
Joe
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Originally Posted by peterpam
Err umm not quite .. here is what 'someone' reportedQuote:
Originally Posted by FireAm94
He-he-he-he ...Quote:
WHEN WE attended a joint Via/AMD press conference last week, we asked the AMD rep whether the firm would be giving any support to the BTX form factor, pioneered by Intel.
His answer was that AMD had no plans to back BTX... Whatever happened to that great hope of yesteryear, the NLX form factor? [Don't answer, Ed.]