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Okay, here is the update. I restarted in the safe mode and removed the creative software. I restarted and installed a downloaded driver...Quote:
Originally Posted by NooNoo
z513den (Rel A01 Drv:4.05.1143 Audio Drivers Creative Soundblaster PCI 64V Version 5.13d for Optiplex GX100 & GX 110 On Windows 95, Windows 98, and Windows 98 Second Edition.) I was prompted to restart. Now, do I need to go back to Add? & put the drivers, codecs, etc. back? I had already downloaded Dell's recommended drivers for my card & OS. I will try the Win95 version next. I will have to download it & work on it later.
I know that sounds like the "easy way out" of this mess, but what if the card is good & I just don't know how to configure everything? Making everything compatible solved my other problem (with screen resolution & color). :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by MobilePCPhysician
How much time do you want to spend on a sound card that is known for this problem?
You need to check that the codecs are all installed - if they are then nothing needs to be done. I assume that you still have no sound other than cd sound through the speakers?
If the 95 driver doesn't work, the card needs to be tested.
Well, sadly, I have more time than money to throw at this problem. I have $95 invested in the system right now. If I take it too a computer repair, the bench fee is $60 minimum & that is just for setting it on the bench. I just simply can't do that. If the card is bad, I will just have to find one at a surplus or "junk store" where old computers are routinely dismantled and pieced out. I am really not convinced that the card is bad because the system runs. The old machine I dumped gave me an error message when I tried running the grandkids programs meaning it couldn't even find the sound card & the program ended. Used parts are reasonable, but you can't always find the one you need. There is one such computer graveyard about 10 miles from me. You can buy manuals, discs, drives, etc. I bought a floppy drive for $2.50.
Well, spend some time here and try everything: :)
http://tinyurl.com/txxul
Just checked the graveyard & drew a blank today. They had everything BUT!
I have been to your link before & tried all the steps that I identify as being appropriate to the computer & system that I have. So far nothing has worked. I downloaded a sound card utility from Dell that I haven't tried so far.
The 95 driver doesn't work?
I haven't downloaded it yet. I couldn't tie up my phone line yesterday & I am not home this morning. Will try it later though & report results.Quote:
Originally Posted by NooNoo
ok... remember to uninstall the old creative devices in safe mode and the creative live ware from add/remove programs also in safe mode.
I just started downloading the file you indicated, but you said " these drivers". I only found one file. The utility that I downloaded was AUDIOPCI.EXE
The downoad will take about 30 minutes.
The file contains drivers for the various devices that a sound card has.
My download of the 95 drivers failed. Error message: file damaged or truncated.Quote:
Originally Posted by NooNoo
Will have to start over.
But when I tried a restart from attempting to install, the computer "hung up" & I had to force a restart. Windows still wouldn't start. Blank screen (just telling me the cover had been previously removed which it always does). Egad! What have I done now?
Nothing probably.... this is windows 98. Don't macs just freeze like this?
Reboot with the cover on.... and press f8 before the first windows screen is displayed and attempt safe mode. Then restart.
No! I do have "kernel panics" from time to time, but since I am confident of my skills & know my system they don't make ME panic. I took out all the "live" elements as I understood you to instruct & fear I may have removed something I shouldn't have! No confidence on this end.
So far I haven't been able to get Windows back at all, even after complete power down & restart. I was able to restart in "safe mode". I'm a bit gunshy now. After the safe mode start then what?
then attempt to restart in normal mode.
You should have only been removing drivers from the sound and multimedia section of device manager... and from add/remove programs. This would not produce the problem you describe... unless you reseated the card or did something else?
I will be putting the "no sound" issue on the back burner for several days. My daughter & her 2 children are arriving today from Pyallup, WA for a weekend visit. They are military & are being sent to Germany for 4 years. No time to work on the issue till Monday.
Noo, Noo,
I did get the computer running again. No fatal errors! Whew!
I am back at work on my sound card problems. I ordered a "pulled" sound card from PC Surplus Online for $8.89 plus $8 shipping. My fingers are crossed that this will be THE solution. I did not check my old card so I am gambling.
Let us know how the install goes.
The install did not go well. I had no difficulty actually installing the card & connecting the single wire, but when I restarted the computer, the card was not recognized. I reinstalled the old card & my system could find it.
Sooooo, I still have no sound!
Did you get a driver cd or diskette with the new sound card?Quote:
Originally Posted by PCRookie
Exactly what brand name is the new card you just bought?
SNAP! Wait for NooNoo. :wave:
Quote:
Originally Posted by street1
Yes SIREEEE buddy :) :guns: :guns: :cool: :grin:
I ordered Sound Blaster Live! PCI which was the same as I already had. The card does not look exactly the same but is labeled the same. It is dated w/2002 copyright. Model SB0200Quote:
Originally Posted by street1
I did not get the driver cd but I have downloaded the driver that is supposed to match up with it. The problem with the new card is that when I try adding new hardware, the computer doesn't detect any....
When I put the original card back in, all is hunky dorry EXCEPT I only have sound from my audio cd's.
I still think my original card was okay but I just haven't found the right combo of settings OR there is something we are overlooking.
I now have a new problem though. My computer tells me on startup that I have a missing device file, dfs.vxd, that I may have deleted. Beats me what happened. I didn't delete anything that I am aware of.
I found this:
'SOLUTION FOR ERROR MESSAGES ABOUT THESE FILES: dfs.vxd, vredir.vxd, and msnp32.dll
DFS.VXD, VREDIR.VXD:
"Start" Menu > "Run" and type in sfc. This starts the "System file checker".
Select the "extract one file" option.
Type in the name of the first file you are missing (with the .vxd extension) and press "start".
A window will appear with the destination and source paths requested. Type in C:\win98 for the source and C:\windows\system for the destination.
Repeat the process again substituting C:\windows\system\vmm32 for the destination path.
Do this for every file reported missing.'
Did you try putting the card in a different PCI slot?
I recommended a cmedia based card... why oh why did you buy another live card without the cd?? some more info from Dell for you
The card you have is a system pull again from a dell machine... did you get any warranty with it?
Just a 30day warranty that the card is good...not that it is compatible!Quote:
Originally Posted by NooNoo
If the card doens't detect, it is not good. Try it in a different pci slot - if it doesn't detect then get your money back quick! An incompatible card will stop the boot process or produce an error message... a card that does nothing is faulty.
As for the cmedia chipset... at the top of page 6 I wrote about getting another sound card with a cmedia chipset because I know that they are both cheap and reliable and there is never a problem with drivers.
Mobilepcphysician linked you to the card type I recommended and pointed out it was under $9.
I assumed that if you did decide to buy another sound card you would get one which had been recommended to you.
there is a microsoft article here while it only mentions a gateway computer, it is the same card as in the Dell.
Give the instructions a try... particularly checking for the windows update driver and
1. Start the Sound Blaster Live! mixer.
2. Click the Creative icon in the upper-left corner (the small icon).
3. Click Advanced Control. A red plus sign is displayed over the mixer.
4. Turn off the Digital Output Only option.
Digital Output only is already clear.
Then all you can do is try the new card in another pci slot... if it still doesn't detect your "new" card is faulty.
Okay everyone. Thanks for all of your help, but I am just short of crying uncle! I really don't know what else to do. I may just have to chalk this up as a loss and junk the whole thing!
I have a massive HEADACHE! Thinking is hurting!
Did you try the sound card in another pci slot? Junking an entire computer just because you have no sound is a little extreme....
Reply #106The whole purpose of this machine was to give my son's family a computer for their young children to play their games on. I don't need this computer for myself. I have 5 computers that work. My Macs don't die! I bought a new one in 2003 originally because my scanner died and I could no longer buy one that would connect. All the new peripherals required USB connections. I loaned one of my standalone units to my oldest daughter for her children. They used it until this summer when they graduated to individual laptops. I got it back. I bought 2 units running OS9 at a thrift shop for $10 apiece. I networked them to my G4 through a hub & use them to run my older software programs from my G4.Quote:
Originally Posted by NooNoo
Did you try putting the card in a different PCI slot? Yes
I cannot for the life of me understand why pc's have to be so difficult. You "guys" aren't going to understand this, but from my perspective all that I have gained from this whole "adventure" is another reason to stick with Mac's. After leaving the computer alone for more than a week, when I turned it on, the beautiful Vivitron 17 monitor no longer beamed any red. I don't know if the problem is with the monitor or with the video output from the CPU. Bottom Line: Kids programs with no sound and color distortion is of absolutely no use!
PC's aren't difficult, you just need to buy the right hardware. The cmedia card would have solved all your problems for $9.
The monitor is faulty, or it could be the connecting cable faulty or loose so that the red part of the connection is not made correctly.
You should not go down the path of I hate pcs because I am a mac user... Macs are specific, pc's are generic. Macs are expensive, pcs are cheap. Macs use specific hardware, pcs can use any hardware, but you have to be aware of compatibility issues.
Tell me on your G4s if the hard drive went, or the monitor what would you replace? How much would it cost you?
Bottom line: you were given good advice and you didn't follow it. Despite that we continued to try and help you.
Did you try another pci slot with the sound cards yet? Yes.... but what happened. I'm a good tech, but I am not telepathic!
Yes I was given good advice and I followed it to the best of my ability. I didn't buy the $9 suggested piece that someone else suggested mainly because I found the same card that I already had for the same price AND no one explained why I should not use the same card. I talked with a PC repair person locally (a friend of a friend) and he talked over my head. He talked in a continuous stream of jargon. He said I needed to download the Intel chipset and install it before I tried to install any drivers. You (all wonderful people who talked me through the monitor problem) still talk over my head. You assume I know the ins&outs of the computer when I do not. Heck, I didn't even know how to format a floppy when one was required when I ran one of the downloads I burned to a cd. I had to run the Help file to get that accomplished.
I am not trying to convert anyone to Mac's. That is why I tackled this for my son. At his job heuses PC's(doesn't troubleshoot) & wanted his kids' computer to be a PC. I could have given him a Mac. So you see, if I were trying to convert someone, I would have started with him. No, I'm not trying to convince him or any of you. I just know what I prefer. BTW I have not found Macs to be more expensive in the long run. I have never had to hire a tech or pay for repair. I have installed my own modem (which was replaced under warranty) and extra memory, set up my network, instlled an external drive and dvd/cd burner. I use my computer to edit home movies, photos, archive photos from old negatives, etc. I have all the functionality that I need. I run the same desktop publishing program used by our local newspaper (InDesign). I am retired and on a fixed income, so I said earlier, I have more time than money. My cousin (not a teacher, but a retired electronics person) has always been a Mac devotee. His son is knowledgeable with both formats but prefers Macs. His son's company is here: http://www.sibgonline.com/public/sho...companyid=6251
Keith is the president.
http://www.sibgonline.com/public/sho...companyid=6251
Please don't be offended at my statements. I am just really frustrated with this project that I undertook out of the "goodness of my heart" and with best intentions.
I explained why you shouldn't use the same card, I said they were down right evil. That's why I suggested the cmedia card .
As for talking over your head... you need to learn some stuff, that's all. Let me ask you, do you drive?
How long did it take to learn to drive?
How long did it take before you knew all the traffic conditions around where you live depending on the time of day and year?
How long did it take you to expand your knowledge of those roads to neighbouring towns?
How many routes do you know which you have remembered to ensure that if you hit unexpected traffic, you can swap routes?
This kind of knowledge took a long time to assemble... by asking, by trial and error, by getting lost and by buying several maps.
Macs are simple to replace things, because you have no choice in replacement. PCs are about choice. PCs are about several ways to do a particular thing or to get different effects.
You can learn this stuff, but it's not going to happen overnight. You write as if you understand, for example "He said I needed to download the Intel chipset and install it before I tried to install any drivers. " That implies to the reader that you did do this and while you may not have understood why you had to do that, you did understand you needed drivers, you needed to download and install them and you needed to do it before anything else.
You don't differentiate between what you understand and what you don't. You didn't review the thread before buying the sound card... probably because all you remembered was the card was 9 bucks and you didn't have the money... but you didn't remember the reason why it was suggested or even that there was a reason... all you had to do was review what had been written.
Have you got the new sound card to detect?
Not meaning to be argumentative, but I do not recall the dire warning that the soundblaster card was.Quote:
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I feel duly chastised. It is all my fault that the process has not resolved my problem. I have had good advice and I have ignored it. I am an obtuse student. The learning curve has been a painful journey.
I understand what you are saying, but why climb the face of the waterfall to get to the top if there is a road that goes there. The only reason one would do that is if they relish the challenge and adventure. I have learned some things about the mysterious inner workings of computers but what I have learned will not aid me in my everyday life. Driving is a life skill so your analogy compares apples to oranges.Quote:
Macs are simple to replace things, because you have no choice in replacement. PCs are about choice. PCs are about several ways to do a particular thing or to get different effects.
I tried the replacement card several times in more than one slot & it remains "undetected". I have emailed the company for a return authorization but have not heard back from them. I will have to call them Monday if I hear nothing before then.
read page 6 of the thread, I say "CCT all RETAIL Live cards do, however, the ct478x series was OEM and the drivers are not on the creative site. This card is a nightmare to get going right." in one post and "How much time do you want to spend on a sound card that is known for this problem?" in anotherQuote:
Originally Posted by PCRookie
OK, can we now get on and solve the problem?Quote:
Originally Posted by PCRookie
being negative does not help the process of learning. Every journey starts with the first step so they say, but they never warn you about the blisters!Quote:
Originally Posted by PCRookie
Not true. but we can debate metaphysical analogies another day.Quote:
Originally Posted by PCRookie
Good - I hope you don't end up paying loads in postage and "return administration fees".Quote:
Originally Posted by PCRookie
On reviewing the thread the 95 drivers experiment is outstanding. You had a problem downloading the driver and then the next thing you had bought the sound card... so did you ever download the 95 driver? If so, what happened exactly when you installed it? Did you remove the old drivers first?
I downloaded Creative Labs SB AudioPCI 64V from the Dell website which was supposed to be the right one for Sound Blaster Live! Value Dell OEM CT4780. The website saysRefresh my memory if this is not the one you mentioned.Quote:
You have selected Live! and Windows 95.
Drivers Title Date
1. Sound Blaster (Live! Series) Drivers Update (5.42 MB) 2 May 00
This is latest driver update for Sound Blaster Live! Series of audio cards for users running on Windows 95 and 98 only. This release includes:
* Updated version of Surround Mixer 1.0 and AudioHQ.
* 1024-voice software MIDI synth for Sound Blaster Live! (Option to select up to 10
The driver for Windows 95 rather than windows 98.... this one (as stated on page 6 of this thread post #80)