Dubya's 50 greatest accomplishments

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Originally Posted by Ya_know

It's not about us changing the world governments. It's about changing the governments in the world that really oppress, torture or starve their population. :)

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You may wish to rethink that statement, given that the US is solely responsible for Saddam being in power in the first place ;)

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Originally Posted by NooNoo

You may wish to rethink that statement, given that the US is solely responsible for Saddam being in power in the first place ;)

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No, I think my answer is comprehensive enough...allow me to expound. I said that we are trying real hard to fix things. Sadam was a mistake made by our cold war efforts, just as Osama is. We are now trying to fix that problem...once and for all!

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Originally Posted by inferno_gn

Hi there,

Well, stupid peoples only elected stupid president (someone says that to be once).

Ju Leon...

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You're Canadian, you don't get a say in my countries politics, shut the f*** up.


[QUOTE=WebHead]I Economy,.. Just look at the facts Tech presented. That makes me NOT want to vote for Bush.

Compassion? Well he wasn't very compassionate towards California when we had issues with electricity a few years ago. Compassion? For who? The rich and wealthy? Well I'm not rich and wealthy so thats not a reason.

Environment? What is he doing for the environment?

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Economy
Look at what others posted in Techs thread and how the economy is in it's fastsest growth period over the last 6 months ever, how most of the democrat/liberal figures at BS statistics and you read that thread through because obviously you haven’t.

Compassion
Cali. environmental laws prevented development of new power plants and there's not much Bush could have done about the situation anyway. You can't just tell NJ or WV to start crankin' out more juice because Cali. residents voted democrat.

Environment
See Major Kong’s posts about the environment or PM him. Environmental laws are still in place. Sure better fuel economy regulations would be great but considering that many a voter drives a sports car or SUV, it’s not bright politics and I don’t remember the standards being changed back when they needed to be changed while Willy was in office before SUV’s were eating gas so mom could get to the grocery store and every rural guy had an f150 they would drive. It’s a little late now bub.

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Originally Posted by NooNoo

You may wish to rethink that statement, given that the US is solely responsible for Saddam being in power in the first place ;)

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We didn't "make" him and we are not responsible for him being in power.

See this:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB107/
and particularly this:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/

It details how the USA is not a big schoolboy but does not show us supporting him in any amazing way that kept him in power. BTW - his weapons are soviet bought/made.

Ummm US guaranteed his loan money when Iran beat the tar outta his army. US took him off the terrorist list and

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The U.S. was officially neutral regarding the Iran-Iraq war, and claimed that it armed neither side.

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If you had been truly neutral, Iran would have rolled right over him....but the us was more scared of Iran, so they made Iraq look good. And let's not get into the response to CW that the Reagan adminstration gave

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limit its "efforts against the Iraqi CW program to close monitoring because of our strict neutrality in the Gulf war, the sensitivity of sources, and the low probability of achieving desired results."

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while thousands died.

Sorry Saddam would have slipped quietly into ignomy if it wasn't for the US. Your documents merely back up my views, not change them.

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Originally Posted by NooNoo

Ummm US guaranteed his loan money when Iran beat the tar outta his army. US took him off the terrorist list and


If you had been truly neutral, Iran would have rolled right over him....but the us was more scared of Iran, so they made Iraq look good.

Sorry Saddam would have slipped quietly into ignomy if it was for the US.

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And probably based on intelligence at the time we would be talking about how the current Iotola was funding terrorism and threatining Middle Eastern Peace.

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Originally Posted by techs

courtesy of geoscomp

The long, strange trip its been for George Bush.

Bush is against campaign finance reform; then he's for it.

Bush is against a Homeland Security Department; then he's for it.

Bush is against a 9/11 commission; then he's for it.

Bush is against an Iraq WMD investigation; then he's for it.

Bush is against nation building; then he's for it.

Bush is against deficits; then he's for them.

Bush is for free trade; then he's for tariffs on steel; then he's against them again.

Bush is against the U.S. taking a role in the Israeli Palestinian conflict; then he pushes for a "road map" and a Palestinian State.

Bush is for states right to decide on gay marriage, then he is for changing the constitution.

Bush first says he'll provide money for first responders (fire, police, emergency), then he doesn't.

Bush first says that 'help is on the way' to the military ... then he cuts benefits

Bush-"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. Bush-"I don't know where he is. I have no idea and I really don't care.

Bush claims to be in favor of the environment and then secretly starts drilling on Padre Island.

Bush talks about helping education and increases mandates while cutting funding.

Bush first says the U.S. won't negotiate with North Korea. Now he will

Bush goes to Bob Jones University. Then say's he shouldn't have.

Bush said he would demand a U.N. Security Council vote on whether to sanction military action against Iraq. Later Bush announced he would not call for a vote

Bush said the "mission accomplished" banner was put up by the sailors. Bush later admits it was his advance team.

Bush was for fingerprinting and photographing Mexicans who enter the US. Bush after meeting with Pres. Fox, he's against it.

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Gee, it seems like somebody is doing the ol' Copy & Paste from a highly partisan website.

Isn't that just what you were complaining to me about? But I did notice that you didn't post the looooonnnnggg response to Kerry's flip-flops.

You're just like your candidate...WEAK!

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Originally Posted by meatwad

And probably based on intelligence at the time we would be talking about how the current Iotola was funding terrorism and threatining Middle Eastern Peace.

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Exactly the point. Hindsight being 20/20 it is easy to look back and blame those responsible. But the fact remains, that at the time that the decisions were being made they were believed to be the best approach for protecting both our interests, and the interest of world peace if that were even possible…of course our interest being more important I am sure…let’s not forget that in the cold war Iran wasn’t the enemy, Russia was…so anyone funded by them was guilty by that association…

"Abortions for some...miniature American flags for others!"

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Originally Posted by Ya_know

It's not about us changing the world governments. It's about changing the governments in the world that really oppress, torture or starve their population. We don’t try to change communists just because we don’t like the form of government, just like we don’t try to change Most of the European countries. But the one’s we have intervened needed the assistance, and we offered them democracy. Does it work well that way…well, no, but we are trying real hard! :)

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So when can we expect the bombing of China & North Korea to begin?

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Originally Posted by ilovetheusers

You're Canadian, you don't get a say in my countries politics, shut the f*** up.

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You're not Iraqi, so why don't you shut the f*** up?

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Originally Posted by Wayward Clam

So when can we expect the bombing of China & North Korea to begin?





You're not Iraqi, so why don't you shut the f*** up?

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Hey...If I had my way...Boom!....J/K

So what's up yo? You haven't been at it with me in a while...I miss you... :butt:

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Originally Posted by NooNoo

Ummm US guaranteed his loan money when Iran beat the tar outta his army. US took him off the terrorist list and


If you had been truly neutral, Iran would have rolled right over him....but the us was more scared of Iran, so they made Iraq look good. And let's not get into the response to CW that the Reagan adminstration gave
while thousands died.

Sorry Saddam would have slipped quietly into ignomy if it wasn't for the US. Your documents merely back up my views, not change them.

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If I may, I'd like to offer an editorial reply. I don't have any links or data to back me...just my personal observations.

Iran was an enemy of the U.S. since the Carter days when they took over the U.S. Embassy in Teheran and rubbed America's nose in the dirt. And, as they are fond of saying, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." So yes, we may have assisted Iraq (and therefore Saddam) in the beginning of their war with Iran in some way while we were officially neutral. But then we realized that they/he were just as screwed up as the other people.

As for them gassing their own citizens with CW's, again, don't blame the U.S. (Reagan) for that. We had no control over what was happening back then...not like we do now.

Just my two cents...

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Originally Posted by NooNoo

Ummm US guaranteed his loan money when Iran beat the tar outta his army. US took him off the terrorist list and


If you had been truly neutral, Iran would have rolled right over him....but the us was more scared of Iran, so they made Iraq look good. And let's not get into the response to CW that the Reagan adminstration gave
while thousands died.

Sorry Saddam would have slipped quietly into ignomy if it wasn't for the US. Your documents merely back up my views, not change them.

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I fail to see how a loan makes the USA wholly culpable for Saddam. Did we sell him the weapons? no, that was someone else. As for the chemical weapons, maybe you didn't read but all precursur chemicals were blocked from sale to him from this country. We did decry his use of chemical weapons only after time but and lets be honest here, if he made them he must have bought the chemicals from someone else. So, it looks like the whole world is responsible for him.

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Originally Posted by Wayward Clam

You're not Iraqi, so why don't you shut the f*** up?

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Are you Inferno_obgyn?

The US refusal to intervene, plus their active work as making Saddam a world "good guy" was enough.