Best jabs at the convention

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Originally Posted by Ya_know

Ok, back to the smearing... :p

Techs, from your Snoops article: http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/service.asp



The article is only stating raw fact, it doesn't cover everything that went on during this transition. Seems to me Kerry was looking for a fast boat out of country. (per your article) 4 days after he sustained his third injury his request to transfer stateside had already working its way well up the chain of command. He risked peoples lives with the beaching of the boat, although by their account seemed to be the best thing to do. He volunteering for "dangerous" missions, and otherwise went out of his way to prepare for an early departure. That doesn’t necessarily make him a war hero.

Kudos to him, if I were in a war and wanted to go home, I suppose I would try anything short of wearing a dress, and he picked an admirable way to do it. Had I been against a war, I too probably would have protested it. But I most certainly wouldn’t be comfortable calling myself a hero, or telling you that I support the troops already overseas if I was doing the things he did when he returned...to hear stories of how he “earned” these medals still doesn’t sit well with me. I still believe that he’s a fraud.

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So you are inferring that Kerry bravely attacked the mortar position to get out of Vietnam? And that he risked peoples lives by intentionally beaching his boat to attack the mortar position?
Wow. I guess that's what Audie Murphy did, too.
That's a pretty far fetched theory.

FYI From the Snopes website:

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Claim: John Kerry's Vietnam War service medals (a Bronze Star, a Silver Star and three Purple Hearts) were earned under "fishy" circumstances.

Status: False.

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I just had time to read the whole thing. After you get past the part snopes says is the rumor that is going around snopes than launches into what really happened. 99.99 percent of what snopes says backs Kerry 100 percent.
The part about his boat:

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Although Kerry's superiors were somewhat concerned about the issue of his leaving his boat unattended, they nonetheless found his actions courageous and worthy of commendation

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And note this is "qoute" of Snopes opinion, not a quote from any records.
The part where he talks about how kerry left Vietnam is not attributed to anyone and is apparently snopes opinion.
What you say is how he left is NOT supported on Snopes and is your Opinion.

Edward Kennedy gets a good one in at Cheney.

"There's a reason why this land was called "the American experiment." If dedication to the common good were hardwired into human nature, we would never have needed a revolution. If each of us cared about the public interest, we wouldn't have the excesses of Enron. We wouldn't have the abuses of Halliburton. And Vice President Cheney would be retired to an undisclosed location."

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Originally Posted by jitBob

Edward Kennedy gets a good one in at Cheney.

"There's a reason why this land was called "the American experiment." If dedication to the common good were hardwired into human nature, we would never have needed a revolution. If each of us cared about the public interest, we wouldn't have the excesses of Enron. We wouldn't have the abuses of Halliburton. And Vice President Cheney would be retired to an undisclosed location."

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Wouldn't it be funny if the 'undisclosed location' was France?

Edward Kennedy gets one in on President Bush:

"In the White House, inscribed on a plaque above the fireplace in the state dining room, is a prayer a simple but powerful prayer of John Adams, the first president to live in that great house. It reads: "I pray heaven to bestow the best of blessings on this house and on all that shall hereafter inhabit it. May none but the honest and wise ever rule under this roof." In November, we will make those words ring true again."

Barack Obama.
Only in America can a skinny black man with a funny name like mine be here addressing this convention.

Al Sharpton of all people.
We thought we would get Weapons of Mass Destruction but instead we got Errors of Mass Deception.

From John Edwards:

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And when John is president, we will listen to the wisdom of the September 11 commission. We will lead strong alliances. We will safeguard and secure our weapons of mass destruction. We will strengthen our homeland security, protect our ports, protect our chemical plants, and support our firefighters, police officers, EMTs. We will always use our military might to keep the American people safe.

And we, John and I, we will have one clear unmistakable message for al Qaeda and these terrorists: You cannot run. You cannot hide. We will destroy you.

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Excuse while I stop laughing.

John Kerry is Weak on National Defense.

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Kerry Voted Against Funding For Virginia Class Submarine, Built To Meet Post-Cold War Threats, At Least Seven Times.

In 1993, Kerry Introduced Plan To Cut Numerous Defense Programs, Including:
-Cut the number of Navy submarines and their crews
-Reduce the number of light infantry units in the Army down to one
-Reduce tactical fighter wings in the Air Force
-Terminate the Navy’s coastal mine-hunting ship program
-Force the retirement of no less than 60,000 members of the Armed Forces in one year. (S.1163, Introduced 6/24/93)

In 1996, Kerry Introduced Bill To Slash Defense Department Funding By $6.5 Billion.

In 1995, Kerry Voted To Freeze Defense Spending For 7 Years, Slashing Over $34 Billion From Defense

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Summary: John Kerry Can’t Makeover His Weak Record on National Security.

Don't forget his "No" vote for the $87 billion to outift and re-supply our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. Or did he vote yes? With all his "I voted for it before I voted against it" rhetoric, I guess you can't really criticise his voting record. :devil:

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Originally Posted by Zil

Don't forget his "No" vote for the $87 billion to outift and re-supply our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. Or did he vote yes? With all his "I voted for it before I voted against it" rhetoric, I guess you can't really criticise his voting record. :devil:

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Do you know the history of that exactly?

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Originally Posted by JaxSon

From John Edwards:


Excuse while I stop laughing.

John Kerry is Weak on National Defense.



Summary: John Kerry Can’t Makeover His Weak Record on National Security.

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Bwaaahhhaaa Bwaaahhhaaa, Like I'm going to believe anything from the georgewbush website, give me a break!


If he can lie flat out to the world, how could he not lie in text?

Really. Give up the party line and think for yourself.

If Bush and Co. are such big liars as you seem to think they are, why haven't they manufactured some evidence to "prove" that there were WMD's? Seems to me that they would have done that to justify themselves if they are really the bad people that you seem to believe that they are.

But the fact that they have been above board and honest about everything should tell you something about them.

And, I don't mind refering you to GWB's website. It is a professional looking site and is well run. A lot better than any of the cr*p that techs keeps putting in his moronic signature.

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Originally Posted by JaxSon

If Bush and Co. are such big liars as you seem to think they are, why haven't they manufactured some evidence to "prove" that there were WMD's? Seems to me that they would have done that to justify themselves if they are really the bad people that seem to believe that they are.

But the fact that they are been above board and honest about everything should tell you something about them.

And, I don't mind refering you to GWB's website. It is a professional looking site and is well run. A lot better than any of the cr*p that techs keeps putting in his moronic signature.

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Oh you mean like finding "a shell", then getting all of their talking heads to jump up and down shouting as loud as they can that they did exist because of the one shell, push it then on the rest of the media not to discuss the fact that there was only one found, and knowing that the american people will eat it up, all the while blaming the "liberal" media and others of being traitors and un-American if they do not buy into this line of reasoning with such a loud, mouth foaming passion that would make their forefathers at Salem green with envy....

Or hey, am I just seeing ghosts and wmd's around?

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Originally Posted by JaxSon

If Bush and Co. are such big liars as you seem to think they are, why haven't they manufactured some evidence to "prove" that there were WMD's? Seems to me that they would have done that to justify themselves if they are really the bad people that you seem to believe that they are.

But the fact that they have been above board and honest about everything should tell you something about them.

And, I don't mind refering you to GWB's website. It is a professional looking site and is well run. A lot better than any of the cr*p that techs keeps putting in his moronic signature.

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There are too many eyes in Iraq and every WMD has it's own unique signature. Very difficult to fake. If you are going to try and refer me to Bush's website at least give fair warning will ya?

Honestly I believe that GWB is doing his best. The problem is that his best is not good enough. I and very many others like find him to be wanting. He is a my way or the highway sort of fellow and has lost track of the true American way and of the values I have grown up with as a true born American citizen. Any one who leads a country with true separation of church and state who claims that God works through him is enough to scare most thinking Americans. The fact that he would say this as justification to do his own agenda is terrifying to me and to most of the world.

As has been stated in this forum many times before: he promised "no child left behind" and then cut the programs budget by 88 million, removed police from the streets and gave tax cuts to the wealthy. Are you better off under his administration? Has he kept his promises to the country? How many generations of your family will it take to pay off the debts he is incurring?

My answers are that no, I am not better off than I was. I'm just damn lucky I didn't go downhill like so many others here did. As a student activist in the 60's I learned not to believe those in power, to challenge authority and to seek the truth in this world. There never has been, nor ever will be a leader who is completely honest or faithfull to his constituants. This current one is just worse than any since Nixon in his leading misdirections and bullheadedness. Seek the truth. Never follow blindly. Allow your passions a home that fulfills your humanity.

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Originally Posted by jitBob

There are too many eyes in Iraq and every WMD has it's own unique signature. Very difficult to fake. If you are going to try and refer me to Bush's website at least give fair warning will ya?

Honestly I believe that GWB is doing his best. The problem is that his best is not good enough. I and very many others like find him to be wanting. He is a my way or the highway sort of fellow and has lost track of the true American way and of the values I have grown up with as a true born American citizen. Any one who leads a country with true separation of church and state who claims that God works through him is enough to scare most thinking Americans. The fact that he would say this as justification to do his own agenda is terrifying to me and to most of the world.

As has been stated in this forum many times before: he promised "no child left behind" and then cut the programs budget by 88 million, removed police from the streets and gave tax cuts to the wealthy. Are you better off under his administration? Has he kept his promises to the country? How many generations of your family will it take to pay off the debts he is incurring?

My answers are that no, I am not better off than I was. I'm just damn lucky I didn't go downhill like so many others here did. As a student activist in the 60's I learned not to believe those in power, to challenge authority and to seek the truth in this world. There never has been, nor ever will be a leader who is completely honest or faithfull to his constituants. This current one is just worse than any since Nixon in his leading misdirections and bullheadedness. Seek the truth. Never follow blindly. Allow your passions a home that fulfills your humanity.

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That was beautiful.

and Zil I am still waiting for any link explaining exactly what he voted against. Seems NO ONE ever has one. Because if you knew the true story it would show he voted against the second bill after Bush went back on his word.
So I am waiting.