Moore and O'Reilly

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Originally Posted by Cleetus

Saddam wasn't Hitler, two major different players in major different ways, you are really reaching on that one

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No Hitler started out by killing the people who threatened his ideas and beliefs. Sadam killed people who opposed him. Where is the difference there? Hitler was let go longer than Sadam is the only difference I see.

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Originally Posted by Cleetus

Defend my way of life? From a two-bit dictator in a third world country that actually had no WMD's all the while the real terrorists were still out there?

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Would this be that same two bit dictator that had made an attempt on a US President's life?

Jeebus, nice spin job guys, took me a bit. You still are going all around the simple fact that we were brought to this war with Iraq because of WMD's. Other then what, one war head, there has been absolutly no evidence of WMD's, most of the ties to the terrorists who attacked us on 9-11 have been found false. All you are doing is spinning the story to dilude yourself from the fact that we went to this war on false pretenses and that the Bush presidency duped us, the UN, themselves, and everyone else into believing this.

So now you tell me these stories of evil, bad dictators. Fine and dandy, I hate these guys too. But if you are going to use that excuse, you better come up with a good answer for N Korea, China, all over Africa, and everywhere else where people are under brutal dictators. You better then be prepared for a changing world, if it is now our responsibility to tell the world and every country how it should be run and who brutal you can be.

For me this is scarier then hell itself, as it will only drive more people to become terrorists, which is the exact opposite of what this supposed war is all about.

Also, just to go back...Do you really think Iraq is anywhere equal in power, strength, national pride, resources as Germany was/is? Saddam could never get the national pride out of his people that Hitler was able to pull out of the proud German people. Nope, sorry, Saddam is a two bit guy, Hitler was the real deal, as far as truely evil bastards go.

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Originally Posted by Cleetus

Jeebus, nice spin job guys, took me a bit. You still are going all around the simple fact that we were brought to this war with Iraq because of WMD's. Other then what, one war head, there has been absolutly no evidence of WMD's, most of the ties to the terrorists who attacked us on 9-11 have been found false. All you are doing is spinning the story to dilude yourself from the fact that we went to this war on false pretenses and that the Bush presidency duped us, the UN, themselves, and everyone else into believing this.

So now you tell me these stories of evil, bad dictators. Fine and dandy, I hate these guys too. But if you are going to use that excuse, you better come up with a good answer for N Korea, China, all over Africa, and everywhere else where people are under brutal dictators. You better then be prepared for a changing world, if it is now our responsibility to tell the world and every country how it should be run and who brutal you can be.

For me this is scarier then hell itself, as it will only drive more people to become terrorists, which is the exact opposite of what this supposed war is all about.

Also, just to go back...Do you really think Iraq is anywhere equal in power, strength, national pride, resources as Germany was/is? Saddam could never get the national pride out of his people that Hitler was able to pull out of the proud German people. Nope, sorry, Saddam is a two bit guy, Hitler was the real deal, as far as truely evil bastards go.

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Darn it Cleetus. Stop being so right. You're stealing my thunder.

OOPS forgot I am probably on your ignore list so you won't see this.

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Originally Posted by Cleetus

Jeebus, nice spin job guys, took me a bit. .

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The spin is from the left, you guys just don't want to let go the WMD's. To date, that's the only failure in Iraq. Everything else was for real...you need to understand that this war was never truly about WMD's...it was about a power hungry dictator hell bent on seeing the end of western civilization as we know it. This is also a very strategic positioning in the Middle East, in a very solid effort to rid the world of organized terrorism, by eliminating the national support of these organizations once and for all. Iraq may not have been part of Al Quada this week, but they had ties to plenty of other terrorist organizations…who gives a phuck about WMD’s??? Al Quada doesn’t even have them, and has never used them? Unless you consider the civilian airliners a WMD…

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Originally Posted by Cleetus

Jeebus, nice spin job guys, took me a bit. You still are going all around the simple fact that we were brought to this war with Iraq because of WMD's. Other then what, one war head, there has been absolutly no evidence of WMD's, most of the ties to the terrorists who attacked us on 9-11 have been found false. All you are doing is spinning the story to dilude yourself from the fact that we went to this war on false pretenses and that the Bush presidency duped us, the UN, themselves, and everyone else into believing this.

So now you tell me these stories of evil, bad dictators. Fine and dandy, I hate these guys too. But if you are going to use that excuse, you better come up with a good answer for N Korea, China, all over Africa, and everywhere else where people are under brutal dictators. You better then be prepared for a changing world, if it is now our responsibility to tell the world and every country how it should be run and who brutal you can be.

For me this is scarier then hell itself, as it will only drive more people to become terrorists, which is the exact opposite of what this supposed war is all about.

Also, just to go back...Do you really think Iraq is anywhere equal in power, strength, national pride, resources as Germany was/is? Saddam could never get the national pride out of his people that Hitler was able to pull out of the proud German people. Nope, sorry, Saddam is a two bit guy, Hitler was the real deal, as far as truely evil bastards go.

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Oh so he's not as good as Hitler so its ok to kill people and try to obtain wmd(power) I think even Hitler started a little slow then grew as he gained more power and terrorized more who opposed him.

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Originally Posted by nunob

Oh so he's not as good as Hitler so its ok to kill people and try to obtain wmd(power) I think even Hitler started a little slow then grew as he gained more power and terrorized more who opposed him.

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You mean like someone questionably voted in, whose party has a large amount of control on the media and the spin, has WMD's, detains people without trial for indeterminate time, starts pre-emptive wars, tells anyone who disagrees that they are no longer patriotic or a traitor or gives aid to the enemy????

Thank god we have the ACLU, the Democrats, Micheal Moore, Al Frankin and the freedom to gain enough intelligence to not fall for the lines that are fed to us daily and voice our concerns on what the government is doing to us.

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Originally Posted by Ya_know

The spin is from the left, you guys just don't want to let go the WMD's. To date, that's the only failure in Iraq. Everything else was for real...you need to understand that this war was never truly about WMD's...it was about a power hungry dictator hell bent on seeing the end of western civilization as we know it. This is also a very strategic positioning in the Middle East, in a very solid effort to rid the world of organized terrorism, by eliminating the national support of these organizations once and for all. Iraq may not have been part of Al Quada this week, but they had ties to plenty of other terrorist organizations…who gives a phuck about WMD’s??? Al Quada doesn’t even have them, and has never used them? Unless you consider the civilian airliners a WMD…

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Really?!?!?!?

I could have sworn that when Powell went to the UN and to Congress he was arguing action on the "fact" that there were WMD's and therfor Saddam was no longer complying to the UN resolutions which meant we did indeed have a right to go in to check. I must have missed the Powell meetings, and the Bush speeches telling me we were going to war solely to oust a "power hungry dictator". Damn, we really are controlled by a leftist media not giving us the truth :rolleyes:

I will not thank anyone for Michael Moore. He's as wortless as a stain on the bed sheets... :butt:

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Originally Posted by Ya_know

I will not thank anyone for Michael Moore. He's as wortless as a stain on the bed sheets... :butt:

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I would have thanked the stain on the bed sheets if it meant we didn't have you :thumbs: :flame:

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Originally Posted by Cleetus

I would have thanked the stain on the bed sheets if it meant we didn't have you :thumbs: :flame:

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What'eva, Lefty... :butt:

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Originally Posted by Ya_know

What'eva, Lefty... :butt:

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Ok there, fascist :bor:

Ya_Know, it's interesting Ya_Should say this:

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Originally Posted by Ya_know

...you need to understand that this war was never truly about WMD's...

…who gives a phuck about WMD’s???

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Apparently, YOU give a phuck about them, or at least you did when you were advocating the Iraq war (boldface done by myself):

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Originally Posted by Ya_know

You can’t make an argument about this current situation by bring up irrelevant comparisons to past policy of the US. Bottom line—the UN shut down Saddam’s advance into Kuwait. However despite all better judgment stopped and gave Saddam and his war mangled country sovereignty with many conditions. Of those conditions, Iraq was permitted to maintain an army, however certain weapons were banned. UN inspectors were to be permitted into the country to oversee their compliance. For 12 years (really 14) his régime has prevented inspections, consorting with terrorists, devised mass destruction munitions, and stockpiled chemical and biological agents. The UN inspectors now have uncovered this information, and presented it to the council.

Now components of the UN wish not to follow through with their stipulations from the treaties from 12+ years ago, and they are wrong to do so. Iraq has never fully complied with any of the conditions of the treaty. The UN gave Iraq and Saddam a chance 12 years ago.

The US isn’t the bully here, Saddam is. As long as he is permitted to continue to grow his army, in a few years he may try to invade another country. He may try terrorist offensives against innocent people with the chemical agents he has amassed. As a side note, I don’t know if you have ever seen footage of Chemical agent exposure to humans or animals, but I have. It is more inhumane than any bomb you have ever seen. I would rather be blown to pieces then suffer the slow painful death of Human Raid.

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Originally Posted by Wayward Clam

Ya_Know, it's interesting Ya_Should say this:




Apparently, YOU give a phuck about them, or at least you did when you were advocating the Iraq war (boldface done by myself):

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Slam, and dunk

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Originally Posted by Wayward Clam

Ya_Know, it's interesting Ya_Should say this:




Apparently, YOU give a phuck about them, or at least you did when you were advocating the Iraq war (boldface done by myself):

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The fact remains that Saddam failed to comply with inspection mandates constantly, and refused inspections time and time again. In the end, the whole world was surprised that Saddam didn't have WMD's...

To say that Bush was wrong because he should have know...well, let me reemphasize, it wasn't WMD's that put us at war with Iraq. It was an obstinate dictator, one with ties to terrorist groups, known to possess, use, construct, and seek WMD’s that put us on the war path, because when we insisted he comply…he wouldn’t. It's people like you that needed more justification, hence the arguments raged on about their presence, bottom line was, we needed proof he didn’t have them, and the only way we would ever get that proof was to invade, and shut down the régime, because that régime refused to bow down.

(boldface done by myself…)