Delegates mock Kerry with 'purple heart' bandages

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Originally Posted by Wayward Clam

And since when is making fun of someone for going AWOL equally as bad as mocking an award for heroism?

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It's showing the hypocracy of the Kerry camp for calling upon anyone to do something about the 527 groups.

Also, as an FYI, the purple heart is awarded for wounds recieved in battle, not bravery. :thumbs:

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Originally Posted by Wayward Clam

And since when is making fun of someone for going AWOL equally as bad as mocking an award for heroism?

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You may interpret what they are doing is mocking that award but I have a feeling their intent was to mock Kerry because they feel no heroism was committed for recieving the award from information they most likely recieved from the swift vets. I'm sorry, let me correct that, the Funded by Supporters of George Bush Swift Vets because it wouldn't look as bad if they were funded by supporters of Kerry?

Kerry can not get up on stage and say, "I call on George Bush to condemn the actions of these swift vets for condemning my actions in Vietnam" when at the same time he has someone standing behind him doing the same thing to the other party.

Here is description of the Purple Heart I got from http://www.purpleheart.org

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The PURPLE HEART is awarded to members of the armed forces of the U.S. who are wounded by an instrument of war in the hands of the enemy and posthumously to the next of kin in the name of those who are killed in action or die of wounds received in action. It is specifically a combat decoration.

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And hears a more official souding one https://www.perscom.army.mil/tagd/tioh/Awards/PH1.html

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Originally Posted by ilovetheusers

It's showing the hypocracy of the Kerry camp for calling upon anyone to do something about the 527 groups.

Also, as an FYI, the purple heart is awarded for wounds recieved in battle, not bravery. :thumbs:

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You're right,.. but not every wounded soldier gets one. ;)
The injury comes as a result of bravery which then earns you a purple heart.

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Originally Posted by WebHead

You're right,.. but not every wounded soldier gets one. ;)
The injury comes as a result of bravery which then earns you a purple heart.

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No, you get the award for an injury in combat period. Unless you were a deserter from your unit, if you get injured and someone submitted the paper work, you get the award. Bravery is only assumed since all men that go into combat are brave men (now women too). But Valor is decorated with other medals.

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Originally Posted by Ya_know

No, you get the award for an injury in combat period. Unless you were a deserter from your unit, if you get injured and someone submitted the paper work, you get the award. Bravery is only assumed since all men that go into combat are brave men (now women too). But Valor is decorated with other medals.

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And I would like to add I don't believe you can put yourself in for a Purple Heart. It must be a doctor or a superior officer. Am I right Ya_know?

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Originally Posted by Ya_know

No, you get the award for an injury in combat period. Unless you were a deserter from your unit, if you get injured and someone submitted the paper work, you get the award. Bravery is only assumed since all men that go into combat are brave men (now women too). But Valor is decorated with other medals.

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So basically what you're saying is, if you're AWOL and don't go into combat, you're not assumed to be brave and can't win a Purple Heart? :cool:

No, its saying that if you are AWOL and don't go into battle then you are a criminal. Medals are not awarded to criminals, only soldiers.

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Originally Posted by Ya_know

No, you get the award for an injury in combat period. Unless you were a deserter from your unit, if you get injured and someone submitted the paper work, you get the award. Bravery is only assumed since all men that go into combat are brave men (now women too). But Valor is decorated with other medals.

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So then based on what you wrote,.. then I would have to assume that George W Bush is not a brave man because A> He is a deserter of his unit based on his past military record, and B> He never went into combat because he was hiding behind his daddy. Thank you for clearing up what I've been trying to say for 4 years how.

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Originally Posted by Wayward Clam

So basically what you're saying is, if you're AWOL and don't go into combat, you're not assumed to be brave and can't win a Purple Heart? :cool:

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Oh,.. I guess you already beat me to this observation. And you worded it better too. Damnit! :p

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Originally Posted by WebHead

So then based on what you wrote,.. then I would have to assume that George W Bush is not a brave man because A> He is a deserter of his unit based on his past military record, and B> He never went into combat because he was hiding behind his daddy. Thank you for clearing up what I've been trying to say for 4 years how.

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Bush's record is open to the public, and there is no scrutiny into your accusation of his being AWOL, because his time has been accounted for. Unlike Kerry's closed records, which he is still protecting...and why is that??? :devil:

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Originally Posted by Ya_know

Bush's record is open to the public, and there is no scrutiny into your accusation of his being AWOL, because his time has been accounted for. Unlike Kerry's closed records, which he is still protecting...and why is that??? :devil:

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Not all of Bush's time has been accounted for.

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Originally Posted by jitBob

Not all of Bush's time has been accounted for.

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Then it is settled. We are at an impass. Everybody agree to disagree and go their sperate ways so we can slam the candidates about something else.

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Originally Posted by thirdfey

Then it is settled. We are at an impass. Everybody agree to disagree and go their sperate ways so we can slam the candidates about something else.

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Not quite. What some of the people here have actually agreed is that:

-There is circumstantial evidence that Bush is a traitor, but no concrete proof in this instance
-There is circumstantial evidence that Kerry is a hero, but no concrete proof in this instance.


And BTW, get your French right. It's "impasse". Or is this another Freedom Fries thing? :p

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Originally Posted by Ya_know

Bush's record is open to the public, and there is no scrutiny into your accusation of his being AWOL, because his time has been accounted for. Unlike Kerry's closed records, which he is still protecting...and why is that??? :devil:

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No. He had attendance issues (this is considered being AWOL by teh military). He even received a warning letter about it which he signed. It's all in the link I provided in the "compare records" thread. Go read it.

This is the definition of AWOL:

Main Entry: AWOL
Pronunciation: 'A-"wol, 'A-"d&-b&l-"yü-"O-'el
Function: abbreviation
absent without leave

Source: Merriam-Webster Dictionary of Law, © 1996 Merriam-Webster, Inc.

awol

adj 1: absent without permission; "truant schoolboys"; "the soldier was AWOL for almost a week" [syn: truant] 2: having deserted your post or station without leave n : one who is away or absent without leave [syn: AWOL]


This is the document that Bush signed for poor attendance:

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Controversial subject? I don't think so. These are the unbias facts.