Grand Dad...Get over here!!!

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Originally Posted by Ya_know

That's a bullsh!t question, and it can't be 100%, even .0005% (when are you going to drop this anyway). Therefore I would not abort any baby, unless it was suffering from an un-survivable ailment, or if the trauma to my wife physically could harm or kill her. Then we would abort. Otherwise, it's not a choice.

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But you wish in some cases you had that choice

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Originally Posted by Ya_know

That's a bullsh!t question, and it can't be 100%, even .0005% (when are you going to drop this anyway). Therefore I would not abort any baby, unless it was suffering from an un-survivable ailment, or if the trauma to my wife physically could harm or kill her. Then we would abort. Otherwise, it's not a choice.

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Thanks. I thnk the people have the answer they were looking for. Next issue. :)

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Originally Posted by GrandDad

I'll say this as plain and simple as possible this time ;

Let it Drop , OK .

I really don't give a F_ck if you say you won or lost or what .

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So then, if you’re not a contributor to the forum, why where you attacking me for being opinionated? You were wrong for trying to start a fight with me, and owe me an apology. You had absolutely no grievance with me at all, and you started talking smack when you should have kept your mouth shut! I will accept it when ever you are ready..

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Originally Posted by WebHead

Thanks. I thnk the people have the answer they were looking for. Next issue. :)

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Whatever...you're so full of crap, that’s not the answer you seek. :rolleyes:

You want the answer, I have given it before...If my son or daughter came home to me and said they were gay, I would be against it, and try to find a way to understand their decision. I would also try to get them to understand that they are making a "choice" and that this isn't something they were born with. I would try to help them understand that it is the wrong choice. When it’s all said and done, and if I haven’t changed their mind, then I will accept the fact that they have made that choice, and I must live with it. I will never “support” that lifestyle, but I will never stop loving my child if he/she becomes gay.

As to your 100% theory, I have said this before also, if it can actually be proven that someone can be genetically gay, I will support that they don’t have a decision…but you must prove that it is genetic, and on a case by case basis, a gay person can’t just proclaim that they are without first proving they have the genetics. It should not be a permitted “choice”!

Now, I still don't have the answer I seek, and none of you can provide it. When does life begin? If we don't have proof, then we can naturally assume that once the fetus shows signs of a developed heart and brain function, it is a living human, protected by the same rights that the rest of us have...including homosexuals.

If you’d like to twist this, I will provide the fulcrum, with my own twist. You can’t prove that life doesn’t begin at conception, I can’t prove that homosexuality isn’t genetic. Therefore we should both concede that the most fair approach should be met…right? I am pleading that we try to save lives, while you are pleading that gays have the right to marry. Put it into perspective here, my argument is saving lives, not protecting a lifestyle…my argument is far more important, so can we PLEASE>>>Stay on track!!!

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Originally Posted by Ya_know

So then, if you’re not a contributor to the forum, why where you attacking me for being opinionated? You were wrong for trying to start a fight with me, and owe me an apology. You had absolutely no grievance with me at all, and you started talking smack when you should have kept your mouth shut! I will accept it when ever you are ready..

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Try reading some of your own crap ;

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Originally Posted by Ya_know

Oh please...it's been like that for years around here, and it’s still very pleasant...if you don't like it, go to a Yahoo forum and see what you get, it’s not nearly as friendly! 50% of the "pissing contest" is perpetuated by people taking this sh!t seriously when they shouldn’t, the other 50% by people performing it tongue in cheek, which is fun on a whole new level. Everyone just needs to see that most of the time it’s a joke, and it’s worth laughing about…but first you gotta twist it up a little to have some fun!

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Originally Posted by GrandDad

Try reading some of your own crap ;

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You're doing just fine with the quote button...I am impressed.

But you still haven't filled the vacant empty space you’re taking up as a useless member of the forum. When you have the time, why don’t you dig deep, and provide an opinion about something, instead of quoting something I so eloquently said…If you’re trying to make yourself look cool…you're not succeeding.

Come on old man, enjoy yourself…I am open to any challenging topic you’d like to bring to the table. If I can’t formulate an opinion, well, I’ll just admit it. Why can’t you?

So what if being gay was both

Some people are just born gay(genetics)

Then you have just weak people that want to be noticed, sick of women/men, lazy, or whatever decide to be gay(choice)

Could there be both?

Ya_know,.. you keep talking about wanting to keep the thread in focus, but then you go and write a 4 page novel with 600 different subjects to talk about. Uuhhggg. Anyway...

Ya_know,.. I am now the current president. I am declaring it illegal everywhere in this country to hunt and kill ducks, deer, and any other animals that normally get hunted and killed. I have decided that it is wrong and shouldn't be done based on my own ethics and morals. You can have a gun, but if you shoot ANYTHING other than a paper target or other non-living inanimate object, you will go to jail. How do you react?

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Originally Posted by Ya_know

..But you still haven't filled the vacant empty space you’re taking up as a useless member of the forum.

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Oh & like you are so useful :rolleyes:, if we didn't need somebody to look dumber than Cleetus you'd be out :p .. though currently I think Webby is making a bid ! :eek2:

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Originally Posted by confus-ed

Oh & like you are so useful :rolleyes:, if we didn't need somebody to look dumber than Cleetus you'd be out :p .. though currently I think Webby is making a bid ! :eek2:

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I guess they don't teach "articulation" over there in your part of town. Cuz honestly,.. I need a secret decoder ring to understand your posts half the time. But at least you seem to be less uptight lately,.. so good for you! :thumbs:

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Originally Posted by WebHead

Ya_know,.. you keep talking about wanting to keep the thread in focus, but then you go and write a 4 page novel with 600 different subjects to talk about. Uuhhggg. Anyway...

Ya_know,.. I am now the current president. I am declaring it illegal everywhere in this country to hunt and kill ducks, deer, and any other animals that normally get hunted and killed. I have decided that it is wrong and shouldn't be done based on my own ethics and morals. You can have a gun, but if you shoot ANYTHING other than a paper target or other non-living inanimate object, you will go to jail. How do you react?

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First off, the only reason I have been off focus is because of you trying so hard to change the subject...so I figured I'd satisfy you, then try to coax you to answer my questions. Hasn't worked so far...I've come to the table, you're still out in the parking lot trying to find the best spot...get it?

As far as how I react, You're just being stupid. There are laws against murdering humans, but no laws protecting human fetus's (or is it feti?). Hunting animals is a totally different sport, not even in the same ball park as human murder...stop being stupid, and address the question man! If you can’t prove when life begins, how is it safe to say that you aren’t committing murder when you have an abortion!!!

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Originally Posted by Ya_know

You're doing just fine with the quote button...I am impressed.

But you still haven't filled the vacant empty space you’re taking up as a useless member of the forum. When you have the time, why don’t you dig deep, and provide an opinion about something, instead of quoting something I so eloquently said…If you’re trying to make yourself look cool…you're not succeeding.

Come on old man, enjoy yourself…I am open to any challenging topic you’d like to bring to the table. If I can’t formulate an opinion, well, I’ll just admit it. Why can’t you?

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I'm just waiting for that 9000 posts of yours to amount to 1 useful post .

Until then it would be useless to keep besting a FOOL .

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Originally Posted by Ya_know

First off, the only reason I have been off focus is because of you trying so hard to change the subject...so I figured I'd satisfy you, then try to coax you to answer my questions. Hasn't worked so far...I've come to the table, you're still out in the parking lot trying to find the best spot...get it?

As far as how I react, You're just being stupid. There are laws against murdering humans, but no laws protecting human fetus's (or is it feti?). Hunting animals is a totally different sport, not even in the same ball park as human murder...stop being stupid, and address the question man! If you can’t prove when life begins, how is it safe to say that you aren’t committing murder when you have an abortion!!!

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It looks like YOU are the one still trying to find a good spot.

1> The gay fetus is very relevant to this discussion. We're talking about abortion. You are Mr Pro-Life so I want to find out if you still feel that way even if the life happens to be "gay". The reason why I ask is because knowing how conservative you are, I know that you are highly against "gays". So far you have essentially dodged the question which tells me where you stand.

2> I have answered every question you have asked. You are the one who keeps dancing around MY questions because you assume they are stupid questions and have no relevance to the subject. Why do you feel this way? It's seems to be because you've already got your mind made up.

3> As far as the animal life question goes. Notice how you never answered my question. You won't even entertain the thought of humoring me with an answer. Why? Because you know you will be a hyprocrite if you answer the way you would like to. And you can't stand the thought of not being able to kill an animal with your gun.

Bottom line: You are a hyprocrite. A flip-flop if you will. Sometimes it looks good, sometimes not. And it's all based on your pre-conceived notions.

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Originally Posted by WebHead

It looks like YOU are the one still trying to find a good spot.

1> The gay fetus is very relevant to this discussion. We're talking about abortion. You are Mr Pro-Life so I want to find out if you still feel that way even if the life happens to be "gay". The reason why I ask is because knowing how conservative you are, I know that you are highly against "gays". So far you have essentially dodged the question which tells me where you stand.

2> I have answered every question you have asked. You are the one who keeps dancing around MY questions because you assume they are stupid questions and have no relevance to the subject. Why do you feel this way? It's seems to be because you've already got your mind made up.

3> As far as the animal life question goes. Notice how you never answered my question. You won't even entertain the thought of humoring me with an answer. Why? Because you know you will be a hyprocrite if you answer the way you would like to. And you can't stand the thought of not being able to kill an animal with your gun.

Bottom line: You are a hyprocrite. A flip-flop if you will. Sometimes it looks good, sometimes not. And it's all based on your pre-conceived notions.

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Dude, you are so whack!!! I am against the gay lifestyle yes, I never said I want them all dead. I mentioned in jest some year ago that putting them all on an island would be nice, but it was more tongue in cheek (been using that phrase a lot today), and I have been branded a gay basher ever since. Homosexuality HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ABORTION DEBATE. I have NOT dodged your questions at all. I said what I said, and it was very clear. You don’t know how to read. You’re hypotheticals are so far off the map they don’t deserve any acknowledgement, however I have answered the question in at least three posts and very clearly. I would not want a fetus dead, regardless of the “hypothetical”. You still have not answered the question, the only question I have asked, when is life started with the fetus? And if it can’t be proven one way or another, you must acknowledge that this is, or could be construed as murder, the choice should NOT be available.

Humoring you with an answer about the animal thing is just stupid. Your comparison to humans is not even close to real, think about how stupid you sound.

Bottom line, you are a liar and full of crap. You twist things around to where you almost believe you are telling the truth…You never learned critical thinking or debate skills either in school, or in life. Go back and re-read my posts…this time comprehend my points, and quit being a sh!thead. The next time you come back, be insightful and counter my argument with a valid retort. Instead of calling me a gay basher, of which I am not.

The native indians believed all life is sacred, the taking the life of an animal in a careless fashion is just as bad as a fellow humans, as we are all inhabitants of the earth as brothers. Are you going to tell them that they are irrelevant?

We discussed the life part in that thread in politico's and I can't remember who said it, so I will just steal it. The arguement will continue on until the day our technology can take the fetus out at any point and we can sustain that life. Until then, we will disagree on when that life starts.