Official WD City of Heroes Thread

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Originally Posted by i n e p t

SB rocks, always has, i used nova twice in the same battle, now thats recovery, and he told he hasn't even slotted it with end recovery enhancements...imagine.

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You need to tell him how to slot his stuff and we'll be unstoppable.

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Originally Posted by ilovetheusers

...Also, we need to begin stocking strength of will. Stale will use them before entering battle so he can tank without getting mezzed. Once the snipers clear the enemy controllers we are in the clear.

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I'm OK with calling the order of attacks.

This just might make me get Unyelding Stance before Unstoppable at 32 then, to resist mezzes. :cool:


That way I keep my toggles up and stay nigh untouchable / indestructible.

How did you slot US on IROK, bro?

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Originally Posted by i n e p t

...we're so used to just breezing thru that it has become instinct to jump in the crowd and expect them to bend over n take it...

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You say that like it's a bad thing. :confused:


Seriously though, I do believe I need to apologize for the last round of debt that was served. I provoked a single individual that was seperated from the mob, but it appears that the range of the DEs is quite longer than previous mobs I encountered. That might also explain why the foes kept coming in waves when we tackled just a few at a time.

Tactics = good.

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Originally Posted by ilovetheusers

...I think that a second controller with pets will be useful later on, esp when she gets phantasm. Did anyone see her second powerset? She mostly hung back and let her pets do their job and popped inviso on us...

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I don't recall seeing it in action, but I hope it's Empathy. :D

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Originally Posted by ilovetheusers

You need to tell him how to slot his stuff and we'll be unstoppable.

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No, silly.

Stalemate will be Unstoppable either at 32 or 34. :p



Superspeed will have to wait.

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Originally Posted by a d e p t

I don't recall seeing it in action, but I hope it's Empathy. :D

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It's Rad. I remember her using heal once and I asked for an RA.

RA is awesome, if she keeps us RAed and pops in for heals, we'll be set. I'm kind of surprised that she doesn't use heal more often.

So that is 2 votes in favor of, 0 against so far.

As a side note, respec is coming again at lvl 34 (right??). I know Carb is dying for respec and I am itching.

I'm thinking right now of ditching teleport in favor of super speed. I may do this to get the leadership power pool so that all of you (and my monkeys) can be more accurate and do more damage. Obviously, without teleport I can't reacll you and this will make life a little tougher if Buzz isn't on. This is also due to the damned lag that they can't seem to fix and me falling from the damn sky all the time.

Anyway, it's just a thought. I also may ditch inviso other and get smoke back. After a few more levels I'll be able to 6 slot it and get SO's for it so it has a decent ACC mod on the enemy. Further, it now seems that it was a heck of a lot more useful in keeping other mobs aggro off of us.

...Marvel is taking legal action against Cryptic Studios. :rolleyes:


http://www.megagames.com/news/html/p...universe.shtml

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Originally Posted by ilovetheusers

As a side note, respec is coming again at lvl 34 (right??). I know Carb is dying for respec and I am itching...

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Use an analgesic cream. http://forums.windrivers.com/images/smilies/thumbs.gif


I don't know if respeccing Stalemate would be useful at this time, but I can at least earn it and decide later. He's halfway to 32 right now.

Should we again wait for level 37 to get level 40 ENH?

I say let her in. The way I see it, Ajani and her are on double secret probation. As long as they don't screw up too bad or piss us off I say go for it. :thumbs:

Which brings up a new order of business. Is Carb off of double secret probation yet? :devil:

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Originally Posted by meatwad

I say let her in. The way I see it, Ajani and her are on double secret probation. As long as they don't screw up too bad or piss us off I say go for it. :thumbs:

Which brings up a new order of business. Is Carb off of double secret probation yet? :devil:

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I thought he was already. :confused:

He's l33t like us WD members now. :p



Who's on tonight?




3 for, 0 against.

Hilarious tribute to Tankers.


Not entirely work safe if your volume is up. http://forums.windrivers.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

I see you reading GrandDad... join us. https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif


You know you can't resist much longer. :flames:

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Originally Posted by ilovetheusers

In tough fights I think we should do exactily this:


1. Wait for buffs.
2. Stale goes in, aggro's, Carb waits behind or stays right next to Stale.
3. Stale calls for all to come in/snipe and or for holds.


All snipes should target the baddies that mez or sleep 1st. All snipers should target their controllers 1st as they are what kills us. I think that from now on, Stalemate should call the battle order and calls who to snipe. He's the boss and we all listen to him, if that's OK with all of you. :)

Also, we need to begin stocking strength of will. Stale will use them before entering battle so he can tank without getting mezzed. Once the snipers clear the enemy controllers we are in the clear.

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stale should be the only one aggroing, hes a tank, thats what his AT is famous for, and 2 peeps trying to aggro means 1 thing, 2 mobs...period. i've seen it over n over, the best aggro is from a single source. we need to stay put while stale aggros, i know its tough guys, but we should wait till he gives us the "ready" signal, and by that time he should have targetted the biggest threat to the group (or him) so we can use him as target.

as a blaster, i've started using disciplines since clockworks, but completely switched my defence insp for disc. at lv 29, when i started playing in bricks...it's a must, especially against these new batches of villains.

i'm ok with the additions to the team, new blood is good, and some SGs are up to 35+ members (and good ones at that too) so we need to muscle up and recruit. considering our lvs, it will be easy to powerlv lower toons, so lets not stay focused at the lv30 range...15+ sounds good (make that 16, extra power lol)

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Originally Posted by a d e p t

I'm OK with calling the order of attacks.

This just might make me get Unyelding Stance before Unstoppable at 32 then, to resist mezzes. :cool:


That way I keep my toggles up and stay nigh untouchable / indestructible.

How did you slot US on IROK, bro?

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so far hes got 5 resist damage on US. and i dont get knocked back, slept, and the whole stun/mez/hold shabang either. but teleport will be a must for me. and honestly, i use provoke more than i use my melee hits, they constantly need to be reminded of whos the target they really want so they dont wander off and nail the "real aggro kings" that do AoE attacks lol. i dont recall having harder blasters to defend than fire blasters, they are magnets for death https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif

also Ajani has inertial reduction, when slotted right (although it is of short duration) it stops one from being held at all, so part of his job is to free us from stuns by slapping it on, but we have to tell him, in the chat box ;) we'll let him know that when he sees "zzz" he needs to slap on the IR, cause for most tankers, sleeping=premature death.

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Originally Posted by a d e p t

I see you reading GrandDad... join us. https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif


You know you can't resist much longer. :flames:

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Right now I'm try'ing not to crock from the 'wrbby virus' :sad:
and find a cheap price for a good monitor to replace wife's die'ing one ,
one I looking at is "Hitachi Superscan 812 20" Monitor Model CM812U" used .

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Originally Posted by i n e p t

so far hes got 5 resist damage on US. and i dont get knocked back, slept, and the whole stun/mez/hold shabang either. but teleport will be a must for me. and honestly, i use provoke more than i use my melee hits, they constantly need to be reminded of whos the target they really want so they dont wander off and nail the "real aggro kings" that do AoE attacks lol. i dont recall having harder blasters to defend than fire blasters, they are magnets for death http://forums.windrivers.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

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Invincibility has a small PBAoE taunt built into it, but I'm gonna have to ask Blackiron what his trick is, as it rarely holds the aggro if Stalemate moves while he doesn't appear to have any problem herding 30, 40 foes at once.

I would really dislike having to select this power and find myself once again stuck in the "aggro anchor" role it seems tankers have to fall back into to be useful in a group.

I'll calc out the debuffs Invincibility, Unstoppable, Tough Hide have together and then with taking Acrobatics again (to avoid being hit in the first place) before I seriously consider taking Unyielding Stance. As all my pools are selected, teleport is no longer an option for me.

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Originally Posted by i n e p t

also Ajani has inertial reduction, when slotted right (although it is of short duration) it stops one from being held at all, so part of his job is to free us from stuns by slapping it on, but we have to tell him, in the chat box ;) we'll let him know that when he sees "zzz" he needs to slap on the IR, cause for most tankers, sleeping=premature death.

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He'll be on TS this very evening, if he's on at all. :cool:

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Originally Posted by a d e p t

Invincibility has a small PBAoE taunt built into it, but I'm gonna have to ask Blackiron what his trick is, as it rarely holds the aggro if Stalemate moves while he doesn't appear to have any problem herding 30, 40 foes at once.

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i think you missed his little trick, he goes around an oblect of good enuf proportions, or around a wall where the enemies cannot see him, so they come to him, he gets them aggroed again with his Inv. and moves on to another crowd, then hides, etc.,etc. range will always stay ranged until you get cover, then they are forced to come to you, and get provoked at the same time by your Inv. https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2006/04/1.gif but keep in mind the group needs to stay away https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif

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Originally Posted by a d e p t

He'll be on TS this very evening, if he's on at all. :cool:

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told him his TS was ready, he was on today, as was Carbo https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif all these guys trying to get fast xp, i'm very proud of this SG https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2006/04/1.gif

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Originally Posted by GrandDad

Right now I'm try'ing not to crock from the 'wrbby virus' :sad:
and find a cheap price for a good monitor to replace wife's die'ing one ,
one I looking at is "Hitachi Superscan 812 20" Monitor Model CM812U" used .

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I looked around for 2 websites I recall having bookmarked on that very subject... but I think the bookmarks are on my home PC.

I'll check later. ;)

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Originally Posted by i n e p t

i think you missed his little trick, he goes around an oblect of good enuf proportions, or around a wall where the enemies cannot see him, so they come to him, he gets them aggroed again with his Inv. and moves on to another crowd, then hides, etc.,etc. range will always stay ranged until you get cover, then they are forced to come to you, and get provoked at the same time by your Inv. http://forums.windrivers.com/images/smilies/thumbs.gif but keep in mind the group needs to stay away http://forums.windrivers.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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Hmmmmm.

I've noticed that if I take even just a few steps, they lose interest completely. There is no time to play hide and seek at all.

As for staying away I'd rather they stick closer (stacking ToHit debuffs to max out defense), as ranged attacks still get through. :D

I'll start practicing the skulking around areas with a lot of obstacles, to see if that changes anything. https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2006/04/1.gif

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Originally Posted by a d e p t

Hmmmmm.

I've noticed that if I take even just a few steps, they lose interest completely. There is no time to play hide and seek at all.

As for staying away I'd rather they stick closer (stacking ToHit debuffs to max out defense), as ranged attacks still get through. :D

I'll start practicing the skulking around areas with a lot of obstacles, to see if that changes anything. https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2006/04/1.gif

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how often do you use provoke?

i dont recall Black Iron attacking until they were all set up either, maybe that has some kind of effect also?

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Originally Posted by i n e p t

stale should be the only one aggroing, hes a tank, thats what his AT is famous for, and 2 peeps trying to aggro means 1 thing, 2 mobs...period. i've seen it over n over, the best aggro is from a single source. we need to stay put while stale aggros, i know its tough guys, but we should wait till he gives us the "ready" signal, and by that time he should have targetted the biggest threat to the group (or him) so we can use him as target.

as a blaster, i've started using disciplines since clockworks, but completely switched my defence insp for disc. at lv 29, when i started playing in bricks...it's a must, especially against these new batches of villains.

i'm ok with the additions to the team, new blood is good, and some SGs are up to 35+ members (and good ones at that too) so we need to muscle up and recruit. considering our lvs, it will be easy to powerlv lower toons, so lets not stay focused at the lv30 range...15+ sounds good (make that 16, extra power lol)

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OK, stale aggros and we all stay back.

As for the lvl 15's, maybe IMHO. I kind of like higher levels as they most likely have a little more maturity in the game having played long enough to get to lvl 30. I mean at this level we can assume the rudementary skills are there.

I also think we should begin to power level some of our lower level toons too so we can have a bevy of high levels to pick from to take on missions.

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Originally Posted by i n e p t

i dont recall Black Iron attacking until they were all set up either, maybe that has some kind of effect also?

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He didn't attack until they were herded into a corner. He just kept running from them and on occasion would run back to them to re-aggro.

post for myself for later reference:

FF:

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showf...v=#Post1612021

Imps:

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showf...part=1#1379096

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showf...part=1#1749718

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Originally Posted by i n e p t

how often do you use provoke?

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Whenever I see them not following, as soon as it reloads.

FYI, Blackiron doesn't use Provoke or Taunt when he herds. Or at least that's what he claimed last time he levelled a couple of us. ;)

I don't usually attack until they're pretty much all grouped around me.

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Originally Posted by ilovetheusers

He didn't attack until they were herded into a corner. He just kept running from them and on occasion would run back to them to re-aggro.

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Same here, but some don't follow at all still.

Maybe it's the way I move around, I'll check that out, or maybe tankers get no love when using the same (primary) powerset as scrappers (secondary). :p


I'll have to experiment some more.

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Originally Posted by ilovetheusers

post for myself for later reference:

FF:

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showf...v=#Post1612021

Imps:

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showf...part=1#1379096

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That's a good one right there, from your first link: http://www.guildportal.com/Guild.asp...TopicID=717447


Moncro is recognized as one of the elite players out there when it comes to calculating or drafting guides.

He even had his toon drawn up by a fan in the last City of Heroes comic.

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Originally Posted by a d e p t

That's a good one right there, from your first link: http://www.guildportal.com/Guild.asp...TopicID=717447


Moncro is recognized as one of the elite players out there when it comes to calculating or drafting guides.

He even had his toon drawn up by a fan in the last City of Heroes comic.

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This is really useful from a link.
Enhancement calculator:

http://members.cox.net/cityofheroes/EnhancementCalc.htm

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Originally Posted by a d e p t

I would really dislike having to select this power and find myself once again stuck in the "aggro anchor" role it seems tankers have to fall back into to be useful in a group.

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No cutesey way to say it so here it is. Getting the aggro is your job. It's your only job. Damage is for the blasters and scrappers. It's not that you are not useful otherwise but without you constantly taunting and herding the aggro hits all of us and we wind up running more than fighting, prolonging the battle.
:) :)

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Originally Posted by ilovetheusers

No cutesey way to say it so here it is. Getting the aggro is your job. It's your only job. Damage is for the blasters and scrappers. It's not that you are not useful otherwise but without you constantly taunting and herding the aggro hits all of us and we wind up running more than fighting, prolonging the battle.
:) :)

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Absolutely true and I've made my peace with that. ;)

That's why I've built a scrapper with Invulnerability, "a d e p t", to compensate.


Holding the aggro is not my problem. I rather enjoy it now. Seeing +4 mobs not even putting a scratch on Stalemate's armour is just awesome. :cool:



The problem I have is that to be an effective, conscious tanker I HAVE to take either of the following series of powers:

• Unyielding Stance / Temp Invulnerability / Provoke / Taunt / Teleport - which means I don't move and spend my time cycling the "yo mammas".
• Unstoppable / Invincibility (PBAoE taunt) / Dull Pain / Provoke / Superjump and/or Superspeed

Coming to terms with my role is all fine, but having to select powers which don't fit into my idea of what I'd like my superhero to be would make it tedious to play. The first set of options is not the character build I wanted to have. I wanted Stalemate to be mobile and fast, not rooted and only hurling insults as an attack. That is what I refer to as being an "aggro anchor" - no movement possible.


I'm just looking for the second option to be viable and to keep Stalemate from being useless if mezzed, and it appears that Unstoppable will fix that at 32 so it's all good. The problem is solved.

It sucks that to abide by my plans I have to compensate for a power which will leave Stalemate drained (like Nova for Major Blaze), but that's OK. Plus, with Energy Transfer and Total Focus, I'm not so sure that damage will remain exclusive to blasters and scrappers. I'm sure that others have also noted that my attacks have an excellent chance of disorienting foes, which gives us the upper hand quite often. ;)

It also sucks that for this build to be team-friendly that I had to wait so long and not only get frustrated by inefficiency (pre-respec), but to frustrate my teammates also. That was my complaint.

Don't get me wrong, I love this toon now and like I said, can't even find anything to respec at 34. He's my main for a reason.


But now, there is talk of changing/nerfing Invincibility, Unyielding Stance and Unstoppable after Issue 3, which is just... http://forums.windrivers.com/images/...s/rolleyes.gif



Anyhow, thanks for letting me vent.

Must be because I'm letting my wife take my place tonight and I could really use the cathartic, therapeutic benefits of CoH and had to find a replacement.

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Originally Posted by a d e p t

Absolutely true and I've made my peace with that. ;)

That's why I've built a scrapper with Invulnerability, "a d e p t", to compensate.


Holding the aggro is not my problem. I rather enjoy it now. Seeing +4 mobs not even putting a scratch on Stalemate's armour is just awesome. :cool:



The problem I have is that to be an effective, conscious tanker I HAVE to take either of the following series of powers:

• Unyielding Stance / Temp Invulnerability / Provoke / Taunt / Teleport - which means I don't move and spend my time cycling the "yo mammas".
• Unstoppable / Invincibility (PBAoE taunt) / Dull Pain / Provoke / Superjump and/or Superspeed

Coming to terms with my role is all fine, but having to select powers which don't fit into my idea of what I'd like my superhero to be would make it tedious to play. The first set of options is not the character build I wanted to have. I wanted Stalemate to be mobile and fast, not rooted and only hurling insults as an attack. That is what I refer to as being an "aggro anchor" - no movement possible.


I'm just looking for the second option to be viable and to keep Stalemate from being useless if mezzed, and it appears that Unstoppable will fix that at 32 so it's all good. The problem is solved.

It sucks that to abide by my plans I have to compensate for a power which will leave Stalemate drained (like Nova for Major Blaze), but that's OK. Plus, with Energy Transfer and Total Focus, I'm not so sure that damage will remain exclusive to blasters and scrappers. I'm sure that others have also noted that my attacks have an excellent chance of disorienting foes, which gives us the upper hand quite often. ;)

It also sucks that for this build to be team-friendly that I had to wait so long and not only get frustrated by inefficiency (pre-respec), but to frustrate my teammates also. That was my complaint.

Don't get me wrong, I love this toon now and like I said, can't even find anything to respec at 34. He's my main for a reason.


But now, there is talk of changing/nerfing Invincibility, Unyielding Stance and Unstoppable after Issue 3, which is just... http://forums.windrivers.com/images/...s/rolleyes.gif



Anyhow, thanks for letting me vent.

Must be because I'm letting my wife take my place tonight and I could really use the cathartic, therapeutic benefits of CoH and had to find a replacement.

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OK, I get it. I'm in the same boat, we all are. Sleep, sleep, sleep, mez, sleep, dead seems to be the biggest complaint of all COH players apart from the trolls who continually ask for power nerfing which is bull**** to say the least (why I dropped smoke). I've sent petitions about my powers and have made sure to write support back about sleep being spammed at us by certain bosses and LT's. I suggest that we all open a case with support when it happens. Perhaps they will listen and fix it.

Lets get you leveled to 32 soon to get you unstoppable. :thumbs2:

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Originally Posted by ilovetheusers

...Lets get you leveled to 32 soon to get you unstoppable. :thumbs2:

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Word. :cool:


Another reason to keep Stalemate moving (US instead of UYS) occured to me: mobs don't naturally coalesce into a tight pack any more during fights. They get held just out of reach, or swept away in a stream of energy, or run away from fiery rain, or take off after imps, etc...

Plus, I can't protect aggroed teammates if they're out of UYS/Taunt range unless I drop my toggle and risk going for a nap instead. :p

Overall I thing keeping him mobile is the best course of action.



Or else, that level 34 respec might come in handy after all.

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Originally Posted by a d e p t

Or else, that level 34 respec might come in handy after all.

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Yup. I'm in need of moving some slots (3) and maybe loosing flurry in favor of bonfire or smoke or repulsion bubble. Also, stealth in favor of inviso.

I don't know what else to change but may go against conventional wisdom of other fire controllers and skip the leadership pool. It would be nice to run it so I don't need to slot the imps with damage or acc. It would be nice for all of you too I'm assuming. Anyone still having major issues hitting?

my main concern is holding the Major back, he just wants to lv that xp hungry beast!! he's one bar from 34 again :( guess its gonna be closet time again, maybe i'll practice Irok, or Zero Ground...which should i choose, the controller (grav/emp) or the tank?

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Originally Posted by i n e p t

my main concern is holding the Major back, he just wants to lv that xp hungry beast!! he's one bar from 34 again :( guess its gonna be closet time again, maybe i'll practice Irok, or Zero Ground...which should i choose, the controller (grav/emp) or the tank?

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Either is good. Bring your favorite along and we'll try to powerlevel him one night. I'd like to PL a scrapper I built or maybe an illusion controller with empathy (mmmm, empathy). Dunno when time permits for this..

Gratz on 34. I'm 4 bars from 33 and I can't wait.

I'm barely halfway to 32 and hate you all. https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/02/1.gif


Cass told me a bit about the game of hide-and-seek you guys had last night with CoTs. Here is that info to set up a "see through walls" script. :p :

Nice Bind Command to see mobs through walls:

Type this as you see it in the game:
/bind y "vis_scale -1$$bind_load_file c:\cohkeybind\vis_scaleneg.txt"
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You will need to create 2 text files called vis_scaleneg.txt and vis_scalepos.txt and then put both of the files in the folder c:\cohkeybind.

Put the following in the .txt files you just made

vis_scaleneg

y "vis_scale 1$$bind_load_file c:\cohkeybind\vis_scalepos.txt"


vis_scalepos

y "vis_scale -1$$bind_load_file c:\cohkeybind\vis_scaleneg.txt"


MAKE SURE SPELLING IS AS YOU SEE IT

NOTE: You may need to make a cohkeybind folder.


By pressing y, you turn it on; then press y to turn it off. With these there will be no more blind coners. This may help you find mission terminals, body bags, boxes, etc.

BE AWARE THAT THIS CAN BE CONSIDERED AN EXPLOIT



I'll help Ajani set up his Teamspeak client when I'm on this evening.



4 in favor of Ajani's wife (sarsaparilla?) joining the SG, 0 against.