Moore and NRA.
FYI.
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Moore and NRA.
FYI.
I SAY WE JUST KILL HIM ANNY WAY..
hey somebody go over and email micheal moore and tell him we want the truth straight from his mothe , we want to have this on the w/d before we blow his brains out witha sawed off 410 double barrel with 44 magnums in it..
Don't know what you mean by the ''blind man'' part. If you're implying that I am blind to any other views, or blindly accept MM word as gospel, I would have to disagree. I'm simply arguing for people to see the film before criticizing.Quote:
Originally Posted by TripleRLtd
As is the case with the 'post made attributed to one of your "left wing liberals" if you are refering to the msnbc article you posted I glanced at it, but am going to reserve judgment until after I see the film. In the film end of things I consider that article potential spoiler and will book mark it and read it after seeing the film :)
Adept~ thanks for that link, very informative. Personally I like how MM will do something like that to make his point.
His movies and his old TV show have other such stunts, that I admire, that he uses to make his point. Like the scene where he gets a gun for opening a bank account. Which everyone who hasn't seen the film claims is fake or staged. (But if you've seen the film the teller informs him that they have 500 guns in their vault)Quote:
After Columbine, I decided that I would run against Charlton Heston for the presidency of the NRA. If elected, my plan was to try to return the NRA to a gun safety organization, instead of its current agenda of gun fanaticism. The rules said that to run for president, you had to be a member for the past five years or buy a lifetime membership for $750. And that's what I did. But after a while I realized this endeavor was going to take too much time, so I decided to focus all my attention on the movie I was making.
I'm not advocating gun control of any form, I'm a firm believer in the second ammendment as necessary to our freedom. But at the same time I'd also like to know why America's gun violence is so high compared to other countries. The point of the BFC film.
I'm also a firm believer in freedom of speech, but someone who's going to attack a film they've never even seen, imho should excercise their freedom to be silent.
Adept~ for the record, as another stunt from Canada in the BFC film goes, do you keep your doors locked at your house? There is an interesting comparison between America and Canada and their attitudes toward guns and crime and the sociopolital reasoning behind those attitudes. In the BFC film he goes thru the streets of I think Toronto opening people's doors and then asking them why they don't keep them locked.
thiers a difference in atitudes between kanooks and yanks .. no fooling thier is ..
and down here in teh states we just kill criminals .. and infact right now in my home town we have at least 500 criminals at the bottom of our strip mine pit...
no reason to lock our doors unless we plan on getting arested for baiting criminals out of season..
You forgot the second part of that quote. Here it is:Quote:
Originally Posted by craigmodius
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Too much time... Here Moore actually admits that he'd rather take pot shots and defame those he disagrees with in movies rather than actually make any real change. Perhaps the paycheck from making a movie vs. NRA president was more enticing to Moore than it was to Charlton Heston. Dave Kopel writes:
But Moore's connection to the NRA is bizarre; he told Tim Russert that he joined the group so that he could be elected its president and make it support gun control. This is aggrandized self-delusion, rather like Barbra Streisand announcing that she was becoming Catholic so that she could be elected Pope and make the Church support polygamy.
Distortion on Heston's record
Moore says that the NRA is responsible for gun crime despite vigorous and bold efforts by the organization and especially Charlton Heston while he served as president, to curtail gun violence. For instance - Heston was known for taking tough stances like the following:
If you're a felon out on the streets of Philadelphia today, I dare you to carry a gun," Heston warned. "Because if you do, you will go to prison. No plea bargain, no discussion. Just a cold, hard federal prison cell. So go ahead -- carry a gun on these streets. To quote my good friend Clint Eastwood, 'Make My Day'. (January 25, 1999)But then again, Moore and his viewers may equally hate that approach. Others (myself included) love that kind of no nonsense "bring it on" type of threat when concerning violence when the subtext is that "because you will be punished if you dare". It all depends on whether you're one of those crazies who like to confront wickedness instead of appease it.
But opinions aside - Moore's representation of the NRA is dishonest at best.
I keep my door locked at all times.Quote:
...Adept~ for the record, as another stunt from Canada in the BFC film goes, do you keep your doors locked at your house? There is an interesting comparison between America and Canada and their attitudes toward guns and crime and the sociopolital reasoning behind those attitudes. In the BFC film he goes thru the streets of I think Toronto opening people's doors and then asking them why they don't keep them locked.
I don't know anyone here who doesn't.
Rush isn't overweight anymore. Maybe all the oxycottin cut his appetite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleetus
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Originally Posted by craigmodius
I do reserve judgment and I have see columbine, roger and me and I even tried to watch his awful series on Comedy Central.
You obviously didn't read Tripples link http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/?GT1=3584 which denotes how mikes film is BS per one who saw it and was actually knowledgeable beyond the nightly news on channel 3. From what he writes I can assume that Moore is again painting a bull**** picture of how things really are/were and people like you just lap it up. It’s just as bad a relying on Limbaugh or Hannity for all of your news exclusively.
As for Columbine, here's the dirt: http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html
Beyond the fact that Moore uses statements and video out of context and strung together in a way meant to deceive the audience into believing something that is not factual, here’s my other opinion of the film:
I saw it as an asinine film that tried to tie a ton of liberal viewpoints together to make people feel better about them selves because it seemingly validates those asinine viewpoints. Oh, guns killed that poor little girl because her mommy couldn't get welfare and stay home instead of working and had to live with uncle jeb who had handguns laying out... Well, guess what. Accidents happen, it's awful and there is nothing you can do. Trying to blame a horrible accident on cutting welfare is beyond stupid.
Also, in columbine, I took offense that as a white man I must have bought a pistol because I was afraid of black people in the inner cities. Uh huh, right. Tell me more Mr. Moore about how I suck because of my race. Moore is nothing more than a reverse racist and I do not own nor do I know very many people who own guns.
As for his anti gun mission 0- that WAS the whole point of the film. He totally missed and then contradicted his whole point about the media in Columbine!!! Yes, our media sucks. That was a great point but he only used that to back up his anti gun rhetoric.
Now - what will you say when this film comes out? http://www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com/index.html I can't wait for it.
OK, now we're getting somewhere, people who've actually seen the film.Quote:
Originally Posted by ilovetheusers
That is a good point about him trying to tie together a bunch of liberal viewpoints. I can respect your interpretation.
IMHO I saw it as him trying to give the whole story as to why that certain tragedy happened. To me these things like columbine, and that child shooting a classmate, happen and everyone throws their hands up in despair and bemoans the tragedy, but nobody ever attempts to disect why things like that happen. Which is why I respect the BFC film.
As for moore trying to make anyone feel guilty of being white, that's not my interpretation. I took it as him pointing out how the news media is trying to sell fear, and that fear is often packaged as a single black male.
I'm not reading any articles on F9/11 till after I see the movie because I would consider them spoilers. A local theater is running that and supersize me, so I'm going to try a double feature.
Adept~ your link about Moore and the NRA is IMHO misleading. The author seems to imply that moore joined the NRA after columbine as a stunt. However, the screencap of his marksman award on that link is cropped to not show the full date which is in fact July 21, 1971. If you watch the film they show the full picture of that award. So it seems to me that that author is using the same misleading tactics moore is chastised for.
I am looking forward to seeing the reports being prepared about the Bush and Saudi relationship on network tv. Apparently so many people are shocked at how the Bushes are basically ONLY in business with the Saudi royals-they have no other business ventures at all. The Saudi royals are the most corrupt and hated people in the mid east.
btw don't you think it should be illegal for foreigners to contribute tens of millions of dollars to the Bush campaign. Aren't you concerned that almost all of it is from Saudi Arabia?
AND despite the movies having been seen by millions there is no one making the claim that any of the FACTS are untrue. They are claiming bias. Of course its biased. So is FoxNews. But on the occasions FoxNews gets their facts right no one critizies them. Yet, Moore who made a MOVIE is being treated like a news outlet and FoxNews which is equally biased IS a news outlet treated like a movie maker.
Was it also misleading when you agreed with the partial quote you posted? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by craigmodius
Just to conclude my interest in this thread, I didn't write the comments in the first place. I just found them while trying to find background info on Moore's NRA membership.Quote:
Originally Posted by craigmodius
From MSNBC:
Michael Moore In his own words.
This guy is so ANTI-American it's not even funny. It fact, it's embarrassing! And yet, the democrats want to put this guy up on a pedistal and worship every thing he says and does.Quote:
“The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not ‘insurgents’ or ‘terrorists’ or ‘The Enemy.’ They are the REVOLUTION, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow - and they will win.” - MichaelMoore.com, April 24
“The motivation for war is simple. The U.S. government started the war with Iraq in order to make it easy for U.S. corporations to do business in other countries. They intend to use cheap labor in those countries, which will make Americans rich.”
“They are possibly the dumbest people on the planet ... in thrall to conniving, thieving smug [pieces of the human anatomy],” Moore intoned. “We Americans suffer from an enforced ignorance. We don’t know about anything that’s happening outside our country. Our stupidity is embarrassing.”
“You’re [the British] stuck with being connected to this country of mine, which is known for bringing sadness and misery to places around the globe.”
“We, the United States of America, are culpable in committing so many acts of terror and bloodshed that we had better get a clue about the culture of violence in which we have been active participants.”
“Should such an ignorant people lead the world?”
“Don’t go the American way when it comes to economics, jobs and services for the poor and immigrants. It is the wrong way.”
Honestly, which is more Anti-American, talking out against your country or denying someone the right to talk out against the woes you find in your country?
I'll call the latter more Anti-American any day of the week.
This is what kills me .... He has the right to say what he wants... I you don't like it don't listen... Why is that so hard for people to understand ??
Of course he has the right to say anything he wants. But for people to actually believe it is what blows me away.
Nobody is trying to keep him from talking. I'm just trying to offset his anti-American bias.
Again, from MSNBC:
"Fahrenheit 9/11" distorts the truth; Deceit and deception is breathtaking
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Though I'd need four hours to tell you the list of all the falsehoods from Moore's two-hour movie, let me give you a few glimpses into his twisted logic:
Moore's movie begins by pitching his conspiracy theory about the 2000 election. We're all told in the audience by all recounting methods Al Gore won Florida. That drew a big gasp from the crowd. But, shockingly, this first fact cited by Moore's movie is a lie. Didn't anybody associated with Miramax or Michael Moore's movie read newspapers after the election, when some of America's most liberal papers published results from their independent review of Florida's ballots, concluding it was George W. Bush who won by all recounting methods?
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Now, there are hundreds of conspiracy theories that are simply unsupported by the facts. But Moore goes on to show pictures of dead Iraqi babies, followed immediately by American soldiers talking about the rush they got listening to rock C.D.s while they shot at anything they moved in Iraq. Why didn't Moore just write "baby killers" on the screen and point to U.S. troops?
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that Michael Moore would make this kind of movie, but I am stunned that movie critics, Hollywood moguls and liberal movie viewers across America really think so little of America, its soldiers and its leaders.
Funny, I don't recall a big outcry on your part when Klinton kept getting $$ in exchange for nuclear technology from his Chinese friendsQuote:
Originally Posted by techs
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Originally Posted by JaxSon
The fact that people believe Bush blows me away.... And the rest of the world