Moore and O'Reilly

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Originally Posted by Ya_know

The fact remains that Saddam failed to comply with inspection mandates constantly, and refused inspections time and time again. In the end, the whole world was surprised that Saddam didn't have WMD's...

To say that Bush was wrong because he should have know...well, let me reemphasize, it wasn't WMD's that put us at war with Iraq. It was an obstinate dictator, one with ties to terrorist groups, known to possess, use, construct, and seek WMD’s that put us on the war path, because when we insisted he comply…he wouldn’t. It's people like you that needed more justification, hence the arguments raged on about their presence, bottom line was, we needed proof he didn’t have them, and the only way we would ever get that proof was to invade, and shut down the régime, because that régime refused to bow down.

(boldface done by myself…)

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So it didn't then have anything to do with his people or democracy?

Al Sharpton of all people:
We thought we would get Weapons of Mass Destruction but instead we got Errors of Mass Deception.

Here are a few of the reasons that I said Moore is an Un-American American:

Moore's movie nothing short of terrorism

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"We Americans suffer from an enforced ignorance. We don't know about anything that's happening outside our country. Our stupidity is embarrassing. They are possibly the dumbest people on the planet," he told Britain's Mirror newspaper.

"That's why we're smiling all the time. You can see us coming down the street. You know, 'Hey! Hi! How's it going?' We've got that big [expletive deleted] grin on our face all the time because our brains aren't loaded down."

"We, the United States of America, are culpable in committing so many acts of terror and bloodshed that we had better get a clue about the culture of violence in which we have been active participants."

"The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not 'insurgents' or 'terrorists' or 'The Enemy.' They are the Revolution, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow and they will win.'"

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BTW, had anybody heard about this movie: http://www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com/

God help us when a man actually speaks out against his government or his people

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Originally Posted by JaxSon

Here are a few of the reasons that I said Moore is an Un-American American:

Moore's movie nothing short of terrorism


BTW, had anybody heard about this movie: http://www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com/

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You can make anyone sound bad if you take them out of context. https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif

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Originally Posted by Ya_know

The fact remains that Saddam failed to comply with inspection mandates constantly, and refused inspections time and time again. In the end, the whole world was surprised that Saddam didn't have WMD's...

To say that Bush was wrong because he should have know...well, let me reemphasize, it wasn't WMD's that put us at war with Iraq. It was an obstinate dictator, one with ties to terrorist groups, known to possess, use, construct, and seek WMD’s that put us on the war path, because when we insisted he comply…he wouldn’t. It's people like you that needed more justification, hence the arguments raged on about their presence, bottom line was, we needed proof he didn’t have them, and the only way we would ever get that proof was to invade, and shut down the régime, because that régime refused to bow down.

(boldface done by myself…)

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So basically what this wordy response boils down to is that yes, the war WAS about WMDs?

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Originally Posted by Wayward Clam

So basically what this wordy response boils down to is that yes, the war WAS about WMDs?

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In a word, yes. Every piece of intelligence that money can buy was saying that he had them...had already used them in the past...and was trying to find ways to deliver them...and had threatened their neighbors and the U.S. We had to find out if this was all true. The U.N. wasn't going to do anything about it. They had already passed numerous sanctions, etc. against Iraq with threats of dire consequences. And saddam just thumbed his nose at everybody.

As a side benefit, the Iraqi people will now be able to decide their own fate.

Yes, many people have died as a result of this war but it is part of the overall war on terror. And, I would be proud to have my son serve over there. Nobody wants their son to die for any reason but this is justifiable. Please don't let anybody tell you differently.

Every one knew he had WMD's? Every one except the countries of the United Nations and the actual inspectors and their leader Hans Blix who kept saying we found nothing.
So thats about 5.5 Billion people.

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Originally Posted by Ya_know

...you need to understand that this war was never truly about WMD's...

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Originally Posted by Wayward Clam

So basically what this wordy response boils down to is that yes, the war WAS about WMDs?

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Originally Posted by JaxSon

In a word, yes.

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Okay, I'm confus-ed now. :D

One thing I do understand... criticizing the state has been equated with terrorism... makes perfect sense to me! :p :butt:

Better watch out, if you beat their arguments they will call you un-American all because their talking heads told them to do so with the talking points put out by the so called "liberal" media

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Originally Posted by Cleetus

God help us when a man actually speaks out against his government or his people

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So (enter the paradox) god help us if the so called freedom of speech defenders like yourself don't reciprocate the same protection for notions that they defend simply for their own benefit, thus not extending that same protection to their adversaries rights.

In other words, what's good for the goose is good for the gander, so shut up.

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Originally Posted by Ya_know

So (enter the paradox) god help us if the so called freedom of speech defenders like yourself don't reciprocate the same protection for notions that they defend simply for their own benefit, thus not extending that same protection to their adversaries rights.

In other words, what's good for the goose is good for the gander, so shut up.

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Your cranky today, Ya-Know. I gotta admit defending freedom of speech by saying "Shut up" is an interesting notion.

I don't understand. You're angry at Americans who are militant patriots purely because it benefits themselves, and don't really care about the US population at large... and you SUPPORT George Bush??? :eek2:

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Originally Posted by techs

Your cranky today, Ya-Know. I gotta admit defending freedom of speech by saying "Shut up" is an interesting notion.

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Hence the paradox... :p

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Originally Posted by Wayward Clam

I don't understand. You're angry at Americans who are militant patriots purely because it benefits themselves, and don't really care about the US population at large... and you SUPPORT George Bush??? :eek2:

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What???