Parts of the Bible Ruled Hate Literature in Canada

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Originally posted by goinpostal

And just to annoy

Lets debate if Jesus was Black or White LOL

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Oh I love this debate.

Someone start fighting.

Please?

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Originally posted by goinpostal
If the govt ruled that arabs using the Koran to promote hate against Christians was wrong this thread wouldnt even have started.

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Speaking as the guy who started the thread, I think I am qualified to disagree with you on this point. :D :D :D

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And to follow up on NooNoo's point, there have been many studies done on left handed people who were forced to use their right hand instead; they grow up with all sorts of mental problems and it really messes them up socially. It was the basis for a novel I read.

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Originally posted by Orangeman
Would somebody please explain to me how a book that was written thousands of years ago, has been through many translations, and which nobody knows - with any real clarity - who wrote it, becomes infallible? - and that everything in there gets to be interpreted literally?

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The history bears out the acuracy of the King James Version. The discovery of the Dead Sea Scroll validated all but one book in the Bible (Esther was validated in earlier writings). Certainly there have been retranslations of Scripture based up older and more ancient writings in the 20th century, all of which maintain the KJV level of credibility as their baseline.

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Originally posted by Orangeman
Also, do you really have so much faith in the 1st century Catholic Church to say that the Bible is infallible? Did it ever occur to anyone that they might be wrong?

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Actually I think the Catholic Church was no established until 303 A.D. Moreover, the additional writings included in the "Catholic" Bible were based largely on the oral traditions of the time and priestly writings. KJV and derivatives are based largely on the original Hebrew and Greek writings. This topic is another debate altogether.

Religion is what stops society from growing as a whole and understanding cause and effect and the responsability of ones own actions

Religion was created to control the masses


and really christianity is new at it

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Originally posted by Wayward Clam
This implies to me that homosexuality is a natural way to check overpopulation.

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This implies that population checks are natural, which is not true. The poplution of the earth has grown exponentially since the earliest poplution accounts and no disease or social mutation has been able to even slow it. Nor is homosexuality a man-made population check. It is not human nature to design a sexual practice that is completely non-procreative. Nor is it a God-made pop check. Refer back to Romans chapter 1 for the Biblical position on the morality of it. That trumps any possibility that God would introduce something that he regards as inherently wrong as a pop check.

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Originally posted by Wayward Clam
But in the end, all of you who believe quite plainly that homosexuality is a sin, you have lost a lot of my respect.

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Sorry to hear that, Clam. You (and those who have a view different than mine) have not lost any of my respect.

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Originally posted by drewmaztech
If jesus knew what was done "in his name" - he'd be PISSED.

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He does know and he is pissed.
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Originally posted by imaeditedbysowulo
Those are not my beliefs at all, merely my interpretation of what the church believes. I agree with you that it's not okay for churches to be hypocritical now, that's exactly why I don't support any churches. I think they are all filled with hypocrites.

However, just because I think it's a whole bunch of baloney doesn't exclude me from understanding the beliefs of someone that is highly religious, and I support their right to believe those things.

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However guising your attack by appearing to advocate the most extreme "christian" positions is intellectually dishonest. The fact is that you can no more hold every Christian to the most extreme beliefs than any other religious or non-religious group. Every group has an extreme element. The key is whether those extreme elements define the rest of the group.

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Originally posted by ilovetheusers
If I were to put in my 2 cents (which I am) I'd have to say that Jewish people are the most persecuted group through out time.

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I've got no argument there.

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Originally posted by ilovetheusers
Lets not forget the crusades, the dark ages the inquisition, persecution of political rulers, scientists and artist and whole groups of people and the molestation of children with a subsequent cover up by the higher up clergy is the most recent.

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Let's also remember the Roman Emporers, the Moors, the Islamic Empire, the Soviet Union, Cambodia, Iran and China. All resulted in tens of millions in Christian genocide. Also, of all the child molesters in the world, Catholic priests only make up a fraction of a percent.

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Originally posted by goinpostal
Please explain to me if this doesnt say Kill Homosexuals

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This is a requirement based in Old Testament laws. While the New Testament still maintains that homosexuality is sin, the appropriate response is forgiveness and love. The is why Christ stood up for the woman who would have been stoned.

Christ's death and resurrection did not invalidate the OT laws, it just replaced the requirement for automatic punishment with the opportunity for forgiveness.

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Originally posted by Mayet
Religion is what stops society from growing as a whole and understanding cause and effect and the responsability of ones own actions

Religion was created to control the masses

and really christianity is new at it

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Thank you Mayet for that jewel of truth... :D :D :D although there are religious people who understand cause and effect and personal responsibility, many of them are in this very thread. :cool:

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Originally posted by KINGofBLEH
Refer back to Romans chapter 1 for the Biblical position on the morality of it. That trumps any possibility that God would introduce something that he regards as inherently wrong as a pop check.

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Now here's where I have the problem with your statement... can you present to me any sort of convincing evidence that the Bible actually describes what God wants, and that He doesn't think it is a bunch of bullcrap as well?

"Dear God, don't know if You noticed, but, you're name is on a lot of quotes in this book... as crazy humans wrote it You should take a look... and all the people that You made in Your image, still believing that junk is true, well I know it ain't and so do You Dear God..."

I mean, what is really so off about that song? How do you know God wrote the Bible? The simple answer is, you don't. Your priests and your parents told you it was true, so you assume it must be.

Okay, so I have another question for yeah...which religion is right?:D

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Originally posted by KINGofBLEH
This is a requirement based in Old Testament laws. While the New Testament still maintains that homosexuality is sin, the appropriate response is forgiveness and love. The is why Christ stood up for the woman who would have been stoned.

Christ's death and resurrection did not invalidate the OT laws, it just replaced the requirement for automatic punishment with the opportunity for forgiveness.

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That is an extremely important statement.

The fact that homosexuality is even mentioned in the Old Testament bears witness to how long homosexuality has been around. It is not going to go away regardless of punishment or restriction.

A lot of the "christians" I have met spout their love of Jesus, but have an Old Testament mentality.

From my point of view Jesus was a sensible guy that looked around him at the punishment and horrors perpertrated in God's name and called time on them, because he found that the priests and high officials enjoyed the power and the control and probably the punishment of others too.

My other concern is that if Jesus really did return would the Catholic and other christian churches believe? I say probably not.

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Originally posted by Orangeman
Okay, so I have another question for yeah...which religion is right?

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Assuming you actually want an answer? ;)

The Biblical one is:

Pure and undefiled religion before Father God is this:
to assist orphans and widows in their trouble, to keep oneself untainted by the (corrupt) world.

James 1:27

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Originally posted by NooNoo
if Jesus really did return would the Catholic and other christian churches believe?

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Jesus voiced the same concern;

"when the Son of Man returns, will he (actually) find faith on the earth?"

in Luke 18:8

So much to say, so late at night...

Good thread.