The end of freedom of speech

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Originally Posted by Jediab

Right, and thus it is important to know that sometimes people say things that they don't mean when blowing off some steam. Are they guilty of a crime then?

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Its when they 'mean' what they say that it 'hurts' ;)

Here's an example

To briefly explain :- this 'character' is an Egyptian Muslim who says we are all infidels & 'deserve' to die & terrorists are 'fantastic' as they will make the world what Allah wants (bullsh!t ! that's besides the point here however) - Now if I said 'similar' as a 'white' person I'd get locked up for Inciting Racial Hatred ..

But no, here we have free speech, so until the legal wheels move a bit faster I have to pay his unemployment benefit (Via my taxes) & like it ! :(

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Originally Posted by firemonkey

Didn't Bob andTom stomp the pi$$ out of stern when he tried to get into the market here?

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You are thinking of Tom Bernard at KQRS. Bob and Tom are in southern minnesota.

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Originally Posted by confus-ed

But no, here we have free speech, so until the legal wheels move a bit faster I have to pay his unemployment benefit (Via my taxes) & like it ! :(

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Actually, you don't have to like it. :devil:

People should learn what freedom of speech means before starting a thread on it. If you have thought speech has been truly free since the acceptance of the Constitution then you have truly missed the point. Go back to highschool history class and try again.

See here's the thing, if you don't like TV or Radio and the things they program, don't watch/listen. Don't let your kids watch/listen if the content offends you. No one is forcing you to have media streamed into your home and you have a choice to turn it off. If this was a public street and you wanted to have a seminar on lesbian but-******* who like to play with big floppy ******* and goats, then we have a problem as I can’t protect minors or whoever from viewing by simply passing by. In this case you have the option to not listen or simply don’t have a radio/TV.

The FCC is a non elected body that can control your license to broadcast and levy fines. They can and have fined up to millions of $$$ and recently (opie and Anthony) threatened to pull the license. If you don’t have a license, you don’t broadcast. This government body can put pressure on any station or group of stations to a degree where they are forced to drop their talent in favor of keeping their license. It is censorship, it’s not a body of our peers denoting what is moral or immoral or generally acceptable. Given that TV/radio is not a venue you are forced to watch this is unconstitutional. Few if any fight it though as they are pretty much run the risk of having their entire station shut down if they do.

Also, the fines and penalties are not standardized in any way. Everything is at the discretion of the FCC and that’s just not fair and radio stations/TV knowing this has always been more apt to censor immediately. One little old grumpy lady can complain and fines may be levied without any proof whatsoever that the item did air at all. You could be fined or have your license pulled with absolutely no evidence that you even broadcasted what someone said you did.

This is censorship. FCC should control the availability of communications so one thing does not interfere with another and should not have any control over the content of the communications. That is for the audience. Don’t like it, don’t buy a TV or a radio.

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Originally Posted by ilovetheusers

See here's the thing, if you don't like TV or Radio and the things they program, don't watch/listen. Don't let your kids watch/listen if the content offends you. No one is forcing you to have media streamed into your home and you have a choice to turn it off. If this was a public street and you wanted to have a seminar on lesbian but-******* who like to play with big floppy ******* and goats, then we have a problem as I can’t protect minors or whoever from viewing by simply passing by. In this case you have the option to not listen or simply don’t have a radio/TV.

The FCC is a non elected body that can control your license to broadcast and levy fines. They can and have fined up to millions of $$$ and recently (opie and Anthony) threatened to pull the license. If you don’t have a license, you don’t broadcast. This government body can put pressure on any station or group of stations to a degree where they are forced to drop their talent in favor of keeping their license. It is censorship, it’s not a body of our peers denoting what is moral or immoral or generally acceptable. Given that TV/radio is not a venue you are forced to watch this is unconstitutional. Few if any fight it though as they are pretty much run the risk of having their entire station shut down if they do.

Also, the fines and penalties are not standardized in any way. Everything is at the discretion of the FCC and that’s just not fair and radio stations/TV knowing this has always been more apt to censor immediately. One little old grumpy lady can complain and fines may be levied without any proof whatsoever that the item did air at all. You could be fined or have your license pulled with absolutely no evidence that you even broadcasted what someone said you did.

This is censorship. FCC should control the availability of communications so one thing does not interfere with another and should not have any control over the content of the communications. That is for the audience. Don’t like it, don’t buy a TV or a radio.

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When you're parents told you that you couldn't watch beavis and butthead did you stop watching it or go to a friends house and watch it?

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Originally Posted by thirdfey

When you're parents told you that you couldn't watch beavis and butthead did you stop watching it or go to a friends house and watch it?

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Nope.

I didn't have a lot of restrictions after a certain age and I don't restrict what my GF's daughter views or listens to or reads. I am not affraid to discuss things with the GF's little one whenever a "dificult" subject comes up. I maintain that this is not a forced media and is up to the parent to regulate what a child sees as per their own belief system.

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Originally Posted by thirdfey

People should learn what freedom of speech means before starting a thread on it. If you have thought speech has been truly free since the acceptance of the Constitution then you have truly missed the point. Go back to highschool history class and try again.

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Right I miss-ed the point ! ;) Please explain for those of us who might have studied something else :)

P.S. some of us are so 'old' that nothing was ever 'censored' from our TV viewing .. even as children ! We either didn't have a telly or there was nothing 'controversial' on ... there wasn't when 'I were a lad' ;)

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Originally Posted by Major Kong

Hmmm...he got booted off of 6 Clear Channel station and suddenly that's censorship? I didn't hear a peep from y'all when CC kicked Bubba the Love Sponge off the air! Have y'all got something against Sponges???
Listen to be honest I didn't even know the guy was still around. I have never been a fan and believe me I've listened to him for far more hours than I care to admit (long car pool ride in AZ with only one channel to listen to). HellsBells if his show is still popular in the markets that were dropped I guarantee he will be picked up by another syndicator.
As an aside back in my younger years I listened to a guy by the name of the Tennessee Midnight Rambler. The guy was a freakin' hoot and always in trouble with the FCC. Suddenly a couple of years after I graduated from college he disappeared, but now I understand he's back. Take a listen to his audio files. It was pretty risky stuff 20+ years ago! :D

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Just to let you know, that the Rambler is back on the air and in likelyhood will be streaming from WQUT.COM on 30 October for his first Howl -O- Ween party in 20 years. I have a pretty good tribute site located at http://www.homefiremusic.com/audio/TMR complete with quality sound bites, full shows and industry quotes from such people as Lorne Michaels from Saturday Night Live. We are in a ressurrection mode. You will find a links to the above site as well as a link to the message board which is popping with Ramblerites. We are in the process of possible syndication. Please check us out and visit our board. We look for fans that listened to the Rambler "way back then".

Well damn. This one brings back all sorts of memories. https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif

PS
Welcome to WD dewwy. Curious choice for your first post. How in heck did you find it just for that single reference?

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Originally Posted by TripleRLtd

Well damn. This one brings back all sorts of memories. https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif

PS
Welcome to WD dewwy. Curious choice for your first post. How in heck did you find it just for that single reference?

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I was searching for Rambler quotes for a promo packet and it popped up in Google.

Ah, good old Google. Another new member came here because of a "match" on google. So, welcome to teh Lounge. Hope you like controversy and politics and aggresive personalities, and, of course, varied opinions. If you do, you have found the right place.