Moore and O'Reilly

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Originally Posted by techs

Your cranky today, Ya-Know. I gotta admit defending freedom of speech by saying "Shut up" is an interesting notion.

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Just to clarify, because that thought of mine was rather complex, I wasn't defending freedom of speech at all. I was attacking Cleetus for trying to defend freedom of speech by saying that we shouldn't refute, or try to dispute with anything that that piece of crap non-patriot Moore tries to say. It's just as much my right to say he's a liar as it is for him to say that Bush is. I think that you would have to agree that both are true, even if you initially believe only one to be...the question is, as to what extent either of the two would go to perpetrate their lies...and which one is telling the truth at what time...that is the true quagmire, hence all of the recent discussions… :thumbs:

No, I am calling you guys un-American, hypocrits, and just generally rolling my eyes at your ideas that people can't talk out. Please do tell me once where I told you that you coldn't talk about it or refute me.

Hence phase 2 of the right, when the left starts defending freedoms, act like they are trying to squash your freedom to speak as loudly as you can making them look like the hypocrits first.

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Originally Posted by Ya_know

So (enter the paradox) god help us if the so called freedom of speech defenders like yourself don't reciprocate the same protection for notions that they defend simply for their own benefit, thus not extending that same protection to their adversaries rights.

In other words, what's good for the goose is good for the gander, so shut up.

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It's a good thing you explained what you were trying to say, because it sure enough wasn't making any sense! https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif

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Originally Posted by Ya_know

...the question is, as to what extent either of the two would go to perpetrate their lies...

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Well this is a pretty easy question to answer, it seems to me.

Let's look at this economically.

Michael Moore made what, $100 million + from Fahrenheit 911? And I seem to remember hearing somewhere that a lot of that is going to charity, although that could be just rumour, I haven't looked it up anywhere. I will certainly admit $100 million is a lot of money and could theoretically motivate anyone to lie to the public.

Bush gets paid $400 thousand a year, and his family gets $1.46 billion from the Saudi Arabians. Doesn't that give him 14 times as much incentive to lie about it as Moore has? Assuming that Moore keeps every penny?

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Originally Posted by Cleetus

No, I am calling you guys un-American, hypocrits, and just generally rolling my eyes at your ideas that people can't talk out. Please do tell me once where I told you that you coldn't talk about it or refute me.

Hence phase 2 of the right, when the left starts defending freedoms, act like they are trying to squash your freedom to speak as loudly as you can making them look like the hypocrits first.

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Well, you are aren't you? We always end up down this path, someone speaks out, others say he's a turd and a liar, then the ones that support him say we are squashing his rights to speak out. You do it every time, it is you that is the hypocrite...trust me! :thumbs: It's my right too to say the things I do, so don't suppress me man! :p

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Originally Posted by jitBob

It's a good thing you explained what you were trying to say, because it sure enough wasn't making any sense! https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif

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You must be one of them there collage boys...didn’t they teach you how to read in there?

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Originally Posted by Wayward Clam

Well this is a pretty easy question to answer, it seems to me.

Let's look at this economically.

Michael Moore made what, $100 million + from Fahrenheit 911? And I seem to remember hearing somewhere that a lot of that is going to charity, although that could be just rumour, I haven't looked it up anywhere. I will certainly admit $100 million is a lot of money and could theoretically motivate anyone to lie to the public.

Bush gets paid $400 thousand a year, and his family gets $1.46 billion from the Saudi Arabians. Doesn't that give him 14 times as much incentive to lie about it as Moore has? Assuming that Moore keeps every penny?

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As long as you concede that is purely speculation, I will concede that you displayed noticeable motive. Still doesn't prove anything either way, but we can move on from this argument, maybe get on with the boobies...if someone will start the thread.

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Originally Posted by Ya_know

You must be one of them there collage boys...didn’t they teach you how to read in there?

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Sometimes I wonder if we in the west speak a different english.

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Originally Posted by jitBob

Sometimes I wonder if we in the west speak a different english.

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West of what? Would that be the left wing... :eek2:

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Originally Posted by Ya_know

West of what? Would that be the left wing... :eek2:

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Some people call it the left coast. Where do you call home?

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Originally Posted by Ya_know

Well, you are aren't you? We always end up down this path, someone speaks out, others say he's a turd and a liar, then the ones that support him say we are squashing his rights to speak out. You do it every time, it is you that is the hypocrite...trust me! :thumbs: It's my right too to say the things I do, so don't suppress me man! :p

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See still going on about it cause you have nothing of substance, wow, well that is your right I guess

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Originally Posted by jitBob

Some people call it the left coast.

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Just remember, being from the left coast, you are actually right minded... :grin:

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Originally Posted by Cleetus

See still going on about it cause you have nothing of substance, wow, well that is your right I guess

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Keep spinin' there lefty... :p

You watch Bill O'reilly and read Ann Coulter while listenng to Rush don't you?

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Originally Posted by Ya_know

As long as you concede that is purely speculation, I will concede that you displayed noticeable motive. Still doesn't prove anything either way, but we can move on from this argument, maybe get on with the boobies...if someone will start the thread.

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Well you're the one who brought up the subject as to which of them would go farther in terms of lying to the people! I was merely following your lead!

(And I don't generally bother with WD boobies... I do that at another forum where they don't censor them.)