Intel vs AMD with no heat sink

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September 20th, 2001, 11:10 AM
xt477

Intel vs AMD with no heat sink

this just breaks my heart.

video is 9 megs.
http://www6.tomshardware.com/images/THG_CPU_Cooling.zip

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September 20th, 2001, 11:23 AM
Darren Wilson

Already posted here a few days ago

http://forums.windrivers.com/cgi-bin...ype=&number=19

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September 20th, 2001, 12:45 PM
Format_It

i dont see it as a big deal...this happens if you remove the heatsink....how often do you remove your heatsink?

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September 20th, 2001, 01:11 PM
Darren Wilson

Quote:

Originally posted by Format_It:
i dont see it as a big deal...this happens if you remove the heatsink....how often do you remove your heatsink?



What happens if your Fan fails??? What happens if the retaining lugs on your socket break (which with the weight of some of the HSF combos, if the bearings went in the fan it could easily vibrate your HSF enough to 'cut' through the retainers)?
What would happen if you moved or knocked your system and this happened?
What would happen if proper contact was not made with your CPU by the HSF?

It is a valid video by Tom's Hardware Guide (& I am not one of Mr Pabst's biggest fans) and is very surprising how hot your T-Bird/Palomino can actually get!!!!

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September 21st, 2001, 09:10 AM
Format_It

Yeah I agree that it does happen. But how often? If your fan fails but the heatsink is still on properly, I think that gives you some time to "fix it". I just think it proves how hot the processors get. Why not try real world tests? Take a computer and toss it across a room. See if the heatsink falls off then!!! https://forums.windrivers.com/

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September 21st, 2001, 10:34 AM
godofuq

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Originally posted by Format_It:
Yeah I agree that it does happen. But how often? If your fan fails but the heatsink is still on properly, I think that gives you some time to "fix it". I just think it proves how hot the processors get. Why not try real world tests? Take a computer and toss it across a room. See if the heatsink falls off then!!! https://forums.windrivers.com/



I don't think the tests aimed to prove whether or not the heatsink would fall off, rather what would happen should it fall off. It's a legitimate test and I'm glad that someone spent the money to give us those results.

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September 21st, 2001, 01:01 PM
mahdi

COOL! Now that is a good test! I love watching things burn up! https://forums.windrivers.com/
Too bad they totally wasted some good processors for that, but just shows you...you need to keep them things cool! https://forums.windrivers.com/

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September 21st, 2001, 01:04 PM
Darren Wilson

Quote:

Originally posted by Format_It:
Take a computer and toss it across a room. See if the heatsink falls off then!!! https://forums.windrivers.com/



I have done that before to a POS system that just would not work..... & the HSF did actually fall off https://forums.windrivers.com/ https://forums.windrivers.com/

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September 21st, 2001, 10:43 PM
techs

No problem. I can get 2 Athlons for the price of a P4. And if it does melt down, it is the perfect excuse to upgrade.
September 22nd, 2001, 11:43 AM
ClickHere2Surf.com

How do I watch it? I dont have the video decompressor
September 22nd, 2001, 01:09 PM
Darren Wilson

Use DiVX 4 & The Playa

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September 22nd, 2001, 07:29 PM
Jpbtennisman

Quote:

Originally posted by techs:
No problem. I can get 2 Athlons for the price of a P4. And if it does melt down, it is the perfect excuse to upgrade.

P4 2.0 at Pricewatch: $588
Athlon 1.4 at Pricewatch: $101

So you can get about 5 AMD chips for the price of one P4 https://forums.windrivers.com/ https://forums.windrivers.com/ https://forums.windrivers.com/

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September 23rd, 2001, 08:20 AM
orange

It IS a worthwhile test...it shows that if you spend the extra money on an Intel chip, your not going to lose it if the HSF goes amiss. Being a major AMD fan i was dissapointed to see the results, especially of the Palamino core. However, you get what you pay for, and as someone else pointed out, if this happens you can buy a new CPU, motherboard and HSF unit and still be in credit. It would be nice to see a similar thermal cutback design in the next AMD CPU, even if we have to pay more for it. https://forums.windrivers.com/

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September 24th, 2001, 06:46 PM
yps

cool test! and needs a lot of guts to waste those nice chips... but ofcourse it would be stupid enough to conclude that intel's better than amd. i think m. schumacher wouldn't be stupid enough to race his ferrari without any cooling system....

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September 25th, 2001, 08:13 AM
kato2274

I think AMD really needs to consider implementing some sort of thermal protection similar to what was shown with the p4 in the video. I'd pay a little extra as I'm sure most everyone would.

I'm not sure the "I could buy X number of T-Birds for the price of a p4" is really a valid arguement. I don't know about everyone else, but if I knew that in the end that I was going to shell out $500 + for a working Athlon CPU and motherboard (after one or two fried t-Birds) I probably would buy a top of the line p4 and save myself the time of changing out boards, and processors plus set myself up much better for future software that will no doubt be optimized for the p4.

Or I might just say screw the both of them and buy a Cyrix https://forums.windrivers.com/ (does anyone still buy these?)

If my heat sink fell off and my t-bird burnt up and killed my kt7, I'd be very upset, and certainly wouldn't say, "It's only another $200, I still ahead because I didn't buy a P4"

Another problem that I have with the designs of the T-Bird processor is the exposed core. Why not implement a thermal heat spreader over the core as intel did with the Tualatin shown here at tomshardware
http://www4.tomshardware.com/cpu/01q3/010919/index.html

this would certainly eliminate cracked cores and help with disspation of heat as it would be an extension of the heat sink.

I know this would piss a lot of overclockers off because it would cover up the CPU bridges, but how long do you think AMD will leave their design so overclocker friendly anyway.

well just my .02
best wishes everyone,
Lance
September 26th, 2001, 07:07 AM
miketasker

I think Tom’s test was a very interesting one. Only last week I was tinkering inside my PC and forgot to plug all my fans back in and within 20 seconds of booting the alarm bells were ringing. Thank you Gigabyte for temperature monitoring.

Mike

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September 26th, 2001, 06:42 PM
Hippie_Techs

Although I am disappointed in how well AMD's processors handled the test (I'm not disputing what happened to the AMDs), I couldn't help being a little confused by the temperature readings for the P4 and PIII. The P4 hits 84 degrees and slows to a crawl? The PIII hits 100 degrees and crashes? My case gets that hot never mind my processor temp. My friends PIII 733MHz shows 120 degrees in the BIOS and he doesn't lock up. 100 degrees is barely warm to the touch. And how about the extended period of time that the HSF was left off of the AMDs? Don't get me wrong. AMDs run hot (fatally apparently), but the Intels barely get warm to the touch?

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