What do u guys think is MCSE worth of all that studying ang paying money for
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What do u guys think is MCSE worth of all that studying ang paying money for
Definately, if you have the ability and time.
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I'm studying for the MCSE right now and planning on taking off work for 3months to take the class. I'm wondering, though, how the release of the new Microsoft OS next year, is the expense and all the time off really worth it -will this really be a smart move if I have to recertify so soon?
-Erica
according to MS you won't need to recertify for XP...your 2000 certs will xfer over as well as vice versa
yes for sure...!!!!
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If you think of it, most companies that use PC's run Microsoft OS's, aside from any additional OS. So if your looking for a career in IT, I would say, yes, it is worth getting.
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It all depends on what you want to do. An mcse is not required to have a job. There are plenty of us without them, and I do quite well compared to my mcse friends.Quote:
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If you think of it, most companies that use PC's run Microsoft OS's, aside from any additional OS. So if your looking for a career in IT, I would say, yes, it is worth getting.
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The mcse is a dime a dozen here. It is worth getting, but it no longer sets you apart from the pack. What helps is being very well rounded. Certs help, but you can't buy experience.
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Right now I'm studying for my MCSE as well as various other cert's. I think it is worthit. You get to learn some basics.
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Think of experience as the filling and the cert as the icing on the cake. MCSE is not worth it if thats all you'll have, experience is number one. I took a class at ACTT and it helped my build many contacts in the tech world, all of the guys in the class were techs, either retail or corporate. Contacts that can help me get a better job, better experience
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We just got a bunch of new hires, and I gotta tell you - there's NOTHING like experience! These guys don't know SQUAT!
I was trying to explain modem init strings to one guy (with an MSCE no less), and he didn't even know where to put one in! I was apalled.
I know more than these guys, and they've paid the money to go to school.
I've decided that I'm not going to waste my money.
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Depends if you are going for the paper cert without knowing anything else. Any number of tutorials and books are fairly useless without experience.
If someone offers you a pay rise for getting the MCSE, go for it. If someone offers to pay for you to get MCSE, go for it.
If you're paying yourself, go for self study.
If you expect to walk into a nice job just because you have MCSE........ Well, don't hold your breath.
What's a modem init string? https://forums.windrivers.com/
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Have you tried reading the manual?
I second that. Last year I took three weeks off work and took a Boot camp and a Cisco training class. I've been the admin here on Novell for 7 years, and NT for 2, self studied for a year, then took the class to just get it over. Some of those guys had never logged into NT before, and they left with MCSE. I don't claim to know everything, but I've been doing this for 15 years! That sure makes the rest of us worth a lot less!Quote:
Originally posted by cordon:
If you're paying yourself, go for self study.
If you expect to walk into a nice job just because you have MCSE........ Well, don't hold your breath.
Bottom line: I got a nice payment book out of it, and the right to temporary end my post with: MCSE+Internet, CCNA!
ok I think MCSE is crap.. doesn't show you know anything and most MCSE's I know are dumb as dirt.. but is it worth the studying?
I would say yes because a lot of conmpany's honor it and you can get hooked with a pretty decent job... and if you are actually pretty good then you could definetly score..!
Yes and no. I think if you have the experience you can run circles around these MCSE guys that "think" they know it. As popular as M$ forced themselves to be, there are other options that companies run in addition too or other than M$. I got a buddy that landed a decent job running AS/400 for a major software company. He works with 2000 also, but did need NOT the MCSE to do what the guys he works with do.Quote:
Originally posted by roman08226:
What do u guys think is MCSE worth of all that studying ang paying money for
The old NT4 MCSE was getting a bit pointless due to all the exam cram and transender stuff. I had mates comming out of collage with MCSE's but they knew nothing, all they had done was cram a lot then take an exam.
The 2000 MCSE is worth doing though. Even if you only do parts it is still worth having. Since it is much harder than an NT4 MCSE it does have more value in the market place. :confused:
In my area a Regular A+ certified tech is worth 25 thousand a year tops. Just having that MCSE is like an instant pay boost. I believe the lowest wage I've heard of a (competant) MCSE around here recieving is around 40 grand. Bigger cities would be even more (our area doesn't pay very well)
MCSE is worth getting. The technical background as well as the money and job advancment benefits.
I think cosidering the pay scale MCSE certified positions start at, it is worth it...I am considering going after mine for that exact reason!
The Microsoft OS is present in 95% of all US Business' (Desktop and Network) there fore certification on this product is essential. If you have the experience and time the MCSE is invaluable to your employment - it also means 10-20k more that you can ask for / yr.
I have some snot nosed phone tech here who has an MCSE and knows it all so I said "Defrag this Windows NT system for me". 4 hours later he slinks in asking me how to do it. I said " Well you are the MCSE didn't they tell you Nt 4.0 has no defrag?"
The MCSE is definitely worth getting if you are going to be using Windows and can't already pass the tests cold. If you take the tests and pass them without studying, it's a waste of time since your resume probably already demonstrates your expertise. But for those with less experience, the tests give you a really good goal for self-study, and you can't help but learn something useful. Of course, you've got to back that with actual experience (at least in a home lab). The pay increase can be pretty nice, as well.
ummmm...going for my mcse/ccna/a+/mcp and network+ certs. since i don't want to be the most tech savvy guy at mcdonalds flipping the cow patties....
any other certs that were really helpful in the job market, getting your foot in the door?
(I know, i know you can't beat experience with a stick)
I am neither for or against any cert but I have noticed that the people that have them swear by them and the ones that dont hate them and flame them to no end
I was lucky enough to get my core NT4.0 certification paid for by my employer, but i had to seldf study. I found that while doing this i am actually getting a better understand as opposed to sitting in a class for 5 days and saying i have MCSE.
Paper MCSE make me really pissed. Expect to walk in to a job and get paid 55K ($NZD) for doing a couple of weeks of study.
Do it the real way, know the stuff in side out. Then work you way to the new CIO.
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I think the MCSE can be a good thing. A lot of companies look for that. The only down fall is you get the paper guys and they screw those of us with the experience out of jobs. But, if it;s not what you want there are plenty of other certs out there. I started on the NT 4.0 track and stopped and started over with the 2000 stuff.
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Yipper. But be prepared to recert in the near future. I understand from a previous post that we will not have to recert for XP. However, there will be a point where you will need to recert. If for no other reason just to prove to potential employers that your knowledge is not obsolete. It just part of the natural business cycle that drive IT.
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Originally posted by JasonB:
I think the MCSE can be a good thing. A lot of companies look for that. The only down fall is you get the paper guys and they screw those of us with the experience out of jobs. But, if it;s not what you want there are plenty of other certs out there. I started on the NT 4.0 track and stopped and started over with the 2000 stuff.
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yeah I here that ... stop stealing all the work :)
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Well, I ordered the SmartCertify Direct's MCSE 2000 study software to improve my resume. I am a tech with over 10 years experience and am still only making $20k a year. The average MCSE with only one year exp in my area is $46k. And most of the MCSEs that I know couldn't tell you what ANSI codes are (which I still use btw). So I feel like I should step up and make them feel stupid instead of the other way around. :cool:
Please keep in mind that a certification is another set of letters behind your name. They tell a prospective employer that you are employable and that you have a certified knowlege level - also inspires confidence (however false) in your abilities and shows that you can follow written policy (after all that is what you were taught in school) - unlike us rogues with ton;s of experience and little, or no certifications.