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July 9th, 2002, 10:27 PM
opiate

subject: THIS SAYS IT ALL!

I got this email forwarded to me...

Read on, please! This is an Editorial written by an American citizen, published in a Tampa Newspaper. He did quite a job;

IMMIGRANTS, NOT AMERICANS, MUST ADAPT.

I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual of their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Americans.

However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the “politically correct" crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to America.

Our population is almost entirely composed of descendants of immigrants. However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand.

This idea of America being a multicultural community has served only to
dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Americans, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over centuries of struggles, trials, and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom. We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn the language!

"In God We Trust" is our national motto. This is not some Christian,
right wing, political slogan. We adopted this motto because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture. If Stars and Stripes offend you, or you don't like Uncle Sam, then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from.

This is OUR COUNTRY, our land, and our lifestyle. Our First Amendment
gives every citizen the right to express his opinion and we will allow you every opportunity to do so. But, once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about our flag, our pledge, our national motto, or our way of life, I highly encourage you to take advantage of one other great American freedom,

THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.

...can someone gimme an AMEN or a HELL YEA!
July 9th, 2002, 10:33 PM
FatalException0E

Yay, it seems there are still a few reasonably sane people in this country!
July 9th, 2002, 10:44 PM
Morticia Addams

Well I would have to say AMEN

You dont like it Dont let the freedom door hit you on the way out.
And sorry if I was to be living and having children in a foreign land. I bes be teaching myself and my kids the spoken words of the land.
Im all for people coming to America and helping us grow and evolve into the melting pot we have..
Im sick of them trashing it and then saying, Well this country sucks and my land where I came from is much better..fine then get out.Freedom of speech is all and well until were telling them to take their I hate America back to where they nearly died to retreat from.
Im all for cultral diffrences thats what makes this the great country that we are.
But I have to say that I am highly sick of being swore at and talked about in a diffrent lanuage then when I tell them hello DORKS I know what your saying they proceed to apologize and say ohh we didnt know you could understand us.
Its not like a take one nationality and say they are idiots.. Its the person as a whole.
I dont excuse any other American who has decided to take out any form of abuse on a foreign person for a country and belittle and abuse them, thats plain grounds for lock their butts up and let them think about their stupidity in a place where freedom means everything to you.
July 10th, 2002, 03:23 AM
talltech

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by opiate:
I got this email forwarded to me...

Read on, please! This is an Editorial written by an American citizen, published in a Tampa Newspaper. He did quite a job;

IMMIGRANTS, NOT AMERICANS, MUST ADAPT.

I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual of their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Americans.

However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the “politically correct" crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to America.

Our population is almost entirely composed of descendants of immigrants. However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand.

This idea of America being a multicultural community has served only to
dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Americans, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over centuries of struggles, trials, and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom. We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn the language!

"In God We Trust" is our national motto. This is not some Christian,
right wing, political slogan. We adopted this motto because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture. If Stars and Stripes offend you, or you don't like Uncle Sam, then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from.

This is OUR COUNTRY, our land, and our lifestyle. Our First Amendment
gives every citizen the right to express his opinion and we will allow you every opportunity to do so. But, once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about our flag, our pledge, our national motto, or our way of life, I highly encourage you to take advantage of one other great American freedom,

THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.

...can someone gimme an AMEN or a HELL YEA!<hr /></blockquote>if ther is any nation Australia has mor in commone with in the world the us and canada would have to be those. yes we are suffering the same type of rubbish here. here we choose to detain people who arrive illigally here. this has cause a great dael of issues related to the above quote. I kow exactly here all you people that have posted are coming from.
July 10th, 2002, 04:43 AM
Archer

ermm...cough...I mean no offence and do not wish to rain on anyones parade but....

<blockquote>quote:<hr />This is OUR COUNTRY, our land, and our lifestyle <hr /></blockquote>Arent most people residing in the US Immigrants of one kind or another i.e.The Mayflower as an example?
The only Americans who could have ancestors from many,many generations are the tribes of the Indian nations.
July 10th, 2002, 04:54 AM
Dark Millennium

Its definetly difficult to maintain a multicultural society, just look at Canada, but it can be done.

So far in Canada we have 2 official languages, english and french, and many people here speak chinese and spanish.

We also have different religions, and we try to accomodate them all.

However I will agree that sometimes that envelope gets pushed just a little too far.
July 10th, 2002, 05:48 AM
Draggar

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Dark Millennium:
Its definetly difficult to maintain a multicultural society, just look at Canada, but it can be done.
<hr /></blockquote>Argentina, too (but the government sucks)...

All I can say to that is Great job! Woohoo!

Glad to see there is some sanity in this country!

I don't know of any other country that tries its hardest to kiss the butts of all its immagrants as much as this one does.

France? Germany? Britian? I doubt they do...
July 10th, 2002, 06:16 AM
kingtbone

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by opiate:
IMMIGRANTS, NOT AMERICANS, MUST ADAPT.
<hr /></blockquote>Isn't that why America is called a giant melting pot already?
July 10th, 2002, 06:26 AM
Draggar

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by kingtbone:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by opiate:
IMMIGRANTS, NOT AMERICANS, MUST ADAPT.
<hr /></blockquote>Isn't that why America is called a giant melting pot already?<hr /></blockquote>More like beef stew.

Clumps of this, climps of that etc.. in most parts.
July 10th, 2002, 09:46 AM
n8dawg

<blockquote>quote:<hr />If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.<hr /></blockquote>WTF??? god is not part of my culture and most likly my roots are here far before this guys decides to jump of a boat....this guy is an ***
July 10th, 2002, 10:07 AM
edball

Why don't we just stereotype all the immigrants into ungrateful complainers that don't speak English ? This speech reminds me of the 60's when the conservative crowd would say "Love it or Leave it". I for one believe our country has serious problems that we need to work on. It's real easy for us to sweep all of those problems under a patriotic rug and pretend like nothing is wrong with us. People used to say "Send them back to Africa" when African-Americans would complain about racism. Yes, it is a great country because I can state this opinion, but it isn't perfect.
July 10th, 2002, 10:14 AM
NooNoo

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Kaneda:
I don't know of any other country that tries its hardest to kiss the butts of all its immagrants as much as this one does.

France? Germany? Britian? I doubt they do...<hr /></blockquote>You would be surprised... All local government documents are available in the major asian and indian sub-continent languages. In Wales the documents are in both Welsh and English.

We have mosques, synagogues and cathedrals side by side.

And, for the most part it works, yes some complain, others refuse try and be anything other than the people they were in the homeland... but their children usually managed to bridge the gap.

There is no longer a place in the world which in unoccupied for the dispossessed or the disenchanted to move to where they may create their own culture... in the mean while we all have to adjust. As usual with the human condition, some are better at it than others, and the ones that are bad at it (on both sides) stir up trouble for the rest.
July 10th, 2002, 10:24 AM
Archer

Yes it is a great country as are all western countries,particularly because it is a country of the "FREE".Where an individual of any race,creed or even nationality has the freedom of action and speech to go about their buisness unmolested and air their opinions to anyone who will listen.
This is the way of modern society,yes we get people of minority opinion [some of which we may dislike or despise]but that is the burdon of a free society not to gag those with which we disagree,but to discuss and come to an understanding with them.
July 10th, 2002, 10:46 AM
opiate

I'm just damn glad I was born and raised in America instead of some mid eastern war torn hel hole country.
July 10th, 2002, 11:34 AM
Draggar

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by NooNoo:
You would be surprised... All local government documents are available in the major asian and indian sub-continent languages. In Wales the documents are in both Welsh and English.

We have mosques, synagogues and cathedrals side by side.

And, for the most part it works, yes some complain, others refuse try and be anything other than the people they were in the homeland... but their children usually managed to bridge the gap.

There is no longer a place in the world which in unoccupied for the dispossessed or the disenchanted to move to where they may create their own culture... in the mean while we all have to adjust. As usual with the human condition, some are better at it than others, and the ones that are bad at it (on both sides) stir up trouble for the rest.<hr /></blockquote>I'm not saying that they don't try to make them comfortable, but, it seems that the US sometimes goes too far.

The pledge is a perfect example. If a Hindu group was offended by the changing of the guard, and had a huge protest about it, would the UK stop it? Most likely not.

Now, if I was a POW, say in France (hypotheitical situation), and I didn't like the French food, they'd tell me to starve (I've neve rbeen in a French prison, so I don't know, but thats the impression I get).
Look at what our military is doing ot the POWs form the Taliban / Al Qaida, they're giving them food prepared by people from that area, made to the best standards. Just so they'll feel more comfortable (yes, though, they're sill in a military prison).

Sure, its great to see different culters openly available in countries like these, its a great way to learn about them.

The "free" world allows freedom of religion, and to express that openly (as long as it doesn't infringe on others). It allows you to voice your opinion, in a peaceful manner. That is also wonderful.
But when it comes to the point where special interest groups are running the country, and most of them are being run by people who are offended by the slightest thing, as American as it is...

Look at Christmas. Government buildings are no longer to decorate in many cities becuase it offended people. No manger (OK, thats religious). No Chaunakah (sp?) decorations. NO SANTA CLAUSE! No lights, no tree, etc... Why? Because some over sensitive person was offended because they do not celebrate Christmas. :rolleyes:

Like I said, its nice to see the freedom, its great to see the openess and variety, but when it starts to dictate how the whole country should be run, that starts to be a problem.

(Go watch South Park's first (I think) Christmas special, the "Unoffencive Christmas Pagent")...
July 10th, 2002, 03:09 PM
Lycia

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Archer:
ermm...cough...I mean no offence and do not wish to rain on anyones parade but....

<blockquote>quote:<hr />This is OUR COUNTRY, our land, and our lifestyle <hr /></blockquote>Arent most people residing in the US Immigrants of one kind or another i.e.The Mayflower as an example?
The only Americans who could have ancestors from many,many generations are the tribes of the Indian nations.<hr /></blockquote>Amen. Although my ancestors hailed from the mexico region...
July 10th, 2002, 05:55 PM
Archer

Ermm ...we seem to be going off the track and round in circles here.
The origional argument was that people who are not born citizens of any country i.e. the US and residing within its boundaries should not have the same freedom of speech and similar rights of shall we say the "constitution" as everybody else.
Right?
Consider:
How many generations of ancestors do we need in your family tree born within a coutries boundaries before we are considered a true "citizen" with all the rights that are being trampling on?

When we move abroad and no longer reside in our home country are you saying we are no longer a citizen,with all the ensuing rights?

What is democracy and the freedom of speech worth if we cannot or will not let people use it?

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> Hindu group was offended by the changing of the guard, and had a huge protest about it, would the UK stop it?<hr /></blockquote>Probably not but we would not condemn the group for making,to them,what is a valid and important statement.

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> Now, if I was a POW, say in France (hypotheitical situation), and I didn't like the French food, they'd tell me to starve <hr /></blockquote>I d`ont know about in France either,but in the UK you would probably be force fed by court order.But then again this piece of argument is veering way off the ball.

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> Government buildings are no longer to decorate in many cities becuase it offended people. No manger (OK, thats religious). No Chaunakah (sp?) decorations. NO SANTA CLAUSE! No lights, no tree, etc... Why? Because some over sensitive person was offended because they do not celebrate Christmas. <hr /></blockquote>This is assumption and conjecture and really an invalid argument,given it could relate to a person or persons who may or may not also be American by birth.

If in a "free" western country you start denying citizens,be they temporary or not,the rights of the masses then you are on the slippery slope of denying rights to........lets say your neibour because you dislike the colour he paints his fence.Where does it stop?

To deny them is to deny yourself.
July 11th, 2002, 06:52 AM
kingtbone

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by opiate:
I'm just damn glad I was born and raised in America instead of some mid eastern war torn hel hole country.<hr /></blockquote>You'd think that would make you happy to see immigrants be able to do the same for their kids.
July 11th, 2002, 07:32 AM
opiate

What is everyone arguing about? I just wanted to post this cool email that I got. I believe in it and will stand by it. I don't really care about anything else.
July 11th, 2002, 07:55 AM
kingtbone

I get bored if I'm not arguing something...
July 12th, 2002, 12:25 AM
Archer

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> What is everyone arguing about? <hr /></blockquote>The point is the letter is based on incorrect statements,half truths,conjecture,invalid arguments and is ill concieved in this day and age.
It reeks of the kind of approach or "attitude" that has cause many of historys greatest milestones,it might be considered offencive in certain situations and also not very politically correct.
Having posted the letter one would assume you would like feedback on it or am I incorect ?
July 12th, 2002, 04:43 AM
MaddMaxx

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Archer:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr /> What is everyone arguing about? <hr /></blockquote>The point is the letter is based on incorrect statements,half truths,conjecture,invalid arguments <hr /></blockquote>and dangling participles too?
July 12th, 2002, 07:26 AM
opiate

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Archer:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr /> What is everyone arguing about? <hr /></blockquote>The point is the letter is based on incorrect statements,half truths,conjecture,invalid arguments and is ill concieved in this day and age.
It reeks of the kind of approach or "attitude" that has cause many of historys greatest milestones,it might be considered offencive in certain situations and also not very politically correct.
Having posted the letter one would assume you would like feedback on it or am I incorect ?<hr /></blockquote>Feedback is good but trying to tear it down word for word is stupid. I assume the person who wrote it, did it in good faith and not meaning to be criticized about it.

O well, the next time I get a heart felt email I won't post it.
July 12th, 2002, 07:42 AM
Cleetus

What?!?!? Is Opiate backing down, Is he saying he won't post offensive things any more?

Hey, I agree with the tone of the letter, but not the way it was carried out. I commend the gentleman for his strong feelings, yet I think his reasoning was flawed. I have been reading a lot since the ruling over the "under God", and found that the feelings in the fifties were that the phrase should NOT have been put into the Pledge. And further that the majority of Americans during that time period and even earlier in the WWII, felt that the Pledge should NOT be a forced thing for our children to say.

The difference between now and then was the personal feeling of pride in one's state and one's nation, all over the world. With the expansion of the world due to all of our technological advances, I personally feel that we have lost the pride, the deep rooted personal pride. I feel lucky to live in what I consider the last state in the US to really have a true pride in itself. TEXAS.

Me done ranting. Opiate, find us more stuff for fun arguing. :D :D :D
July 12th, 2002, 08:03 AM
ChipCreep

Look at US immigration in history. Between 1880 and 1920 our country saw its largest expansion due to immigration, mostly European. These people were looking for the American Dream. They worked their ever-loving butts off to claw out a place in our culture; and while preserving aspects of their heritage and culture of which they were rightfully proud, they desperately worked to adapt to our country and become absorbed into its culture, too. They wanted their children to have an even bigger piece of American prosperity, and I think they succeeded.

I'm not afraid of immigration in and of itself. All the time I read and hear of stories of new immigrants still slavishly working their fingers to the bone and so extremely happy to be able to do it in freedom instead of oppression. I live near an Air Force Base and the community has a large population of Southeast Asian immigrants. They are the hardest working, patriotic people you could ever see.

Immigration and more population is not a burden and detriment, except perhaps in the very short run; history shows that in the long run we will be a stronger country, especially economically.
July 12th, 2002, 08:04 AM
ilovetheusers

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by opiate:
What is everyone arguing about? I just wanted to post this cool email that I got. I believe in it and will stand by it. I don't really care about anything else.<hr /></blockquote>Bull****. You live to stir up an argument, which is not a bad thing.

Oh, and BTW - there is a Cherokee that fully agrees with this and wants all us Europeans and other non Americans out by next Wed. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Still, I understand your viewpoint of people adopting the roles of earlier people who moved here adopting the ways of the older culture. But, we must also remember that the newer cultures always influenced and changed the older culture as well. I hear this sort of reactionary stuff on talk radio every day and I understand the underlying motive but in reality nothing will change. People in 50 years will get up, eat breakfast, take our kids to school and go to work and pump out lots of little kids just like they do today. They may not have the same color skin, worship the same god(s) or eat the same foods but in time they will look just like everyone else here. Tolerance bud, tolerance. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
July 12th, 2002, 10:15 AM
opiate

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Cleetus:
Me done ranting. Opiate, find us more stuff for fun arguing. :D :D :D <hr /></blockquote>O you can bet your a$$ I will! :D
July 12th, 2002, 10:18 AM
opiate

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ilovetheusers:
Bull****. You live to stir up an argument, which is not a bad thing. <hr /></blockquote>$hit, I'm sorry to disapoint everyone by backing down. I guess I need to live up to my name....so, f#ck everyone...you're all a bunch of stupid asses.

How was that? J/K :D
July 12th, 2002, 10:22 AM
Cleetus

Whew, thanks Opiate, now I can breathe much much better. Now I have to go pee. :D
July 12th, 2002, 01:04 PM
n8dawg

what pissed me off about this post is the man own ignorance
<blockquote>quote:<hr />This idea of America being a multicultural community has served only to
dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Americans, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over centuries of struggles, trials, and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom. We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn the language!
[/b]he contradics himself..topic is a flutter of mixed emotions steeming from this argument that lead into the american flag argument very ruffly were i couldnt grasp the connection of the two...

[quote]This is OUR COUNTRY, our land, and our lifestyle. Our First Amendment
gives every citizen the right to express his opinion and we will allow you every opportunity to do so. But, once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about our flag, our pledge, our national motto, or our way of life, I highly encourage you to take advantage of one other great American freedom,<hr /></blockquote>sounds to me like he is doing enough complaining for everyone...

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home<hr /></blockquote>and wtf is this an opion responded bye the most ignorat statment i have herd in a long time...so i am not american if i dont belive in god? find a new home??? this guy is agruing how great america is but then stabbing himself with why america is so great!!!!i wish i could write back to this phuck head.
July 12th, 2002, 01:14 PM
ilovetheusers

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by opiate:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ilovetheusers:
Bull****. You live to stir up an argument, which is not a bad thing. <hr /></blockquote>$hit, I'm sorry to disapoint everyone by backing down. I guess I need to live up to my name....so, f#ck everyone...you're all a bunch of stupid asses.

How was that? J/K :D <hr /></blockquote>SEE! There ya go! :)
July 12th, 2002, 01:29 PM
opiate

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ilovetheusers:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by opiate:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ilovetheusers:
Bull****. You live to stir up an argument, which is not a bad thing. <hr /></blockquote>$hit, I'm sorry to disapoint everyone by backing down. I guess I need to live up to my name....so, f#ck everyone...you're all a bunch of stupid asses.

How was that? J/K :D <hr /></blockquote>SEE! There ya go! :) <hr /></blockquote>Dude, that site in your signature is the funnest thing I've ever seen. The pizza I ate an hour ago almost came back up... :D
July 12th, 2002, 02:33 PM
Major Kong

<a href="http://www.snopes.com/rumors/american.htm" target="_blank">http://www.snopes.com/rumors/american.htm</a> an update from Urban Legends.
July 12th, 2002, 02:53 PM
Archer

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> $hit, I'm sorry to disapoint everyone by backing down. I guess I need to live up to my name....so, f#ck everyone...you're all a bunch of stupid asses.
<hr /></blockquote>Good on you opiate,if you believe in something strongly enough stand by it but be prepared defend your actions to the full.My attack was not on you personally but on the author of the letter and it seems to have encouraged an excellent debate amongst our clan.

As they say ...........bring it on!
July 12th, 2002, 02:59 PM
opiate

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Archer:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr /> $hit, I'm sorry to disapoint everyone by backing down. I guess I need to live up to my name....so, f#ck everyone...you're all a bunch of stupid asses.
<hr /></blockquote>Good on you opiate,if you believe in something strongly enough stand by it but be prepared defend your actions to the full.My attack was not on you personally but on the author of the letter and it seems to have encouraged an excellent debate amongst our clan.

As they say ...........bring it on!<hr /></blockquote>Right... I just didn't feel like the letter would make a good debate about how true it was. It just sounded good and it made a soild connected with me as I read it.
July 12th, 2002, 03:01 PM
Cleetus

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Major Kong:
<a href="http://www.snopes.com/rumors/american.htm" target="_blank">http://www.snopes.com/rumors/american.htm</a> an update from Urban Legends.<hr /></blockquote>Good stuff, I really liked the two articles taking a view on religion playing or not playing a role in the founding of the country. Also, going more inside of the stories I have heard time and time again on talk radio.
July 16th, 2002, 07:14 AM
TheLow1

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by opiate:

However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the “politically correct" crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to America.
<hr /></blockquote>Only a matter of time before the drive selection changes from "Master" and "Slave" to "Oppressor" and "Oppressed"
July 16th, 2002, 07:19 AM
TheLow1

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ChipCreep:
Look at US immigration in history. Between 1880 and 1920 our country saw its largest expansion due to immigration, mostly European. These people were looking for the American Dream. They worked their ever-loving butts off to claw out a place in our culture; and while preserving aspects of their heritage and culture of which they were rightfully proud, they desperately worked to adapt to our country and become absorbed into its culture, too. They wanted their children to have an even bigger piece of American prosperity, and I think they succeeded.

I'm not afraid of immigration in and of itself. All the time I read and hear of stories of new immigrants still slavishly working their fingers to the bone and so extremely happy to be able to do it in freedom instead of oppression. I live near an Air Force Base and the community has a large population of Southeast Asian immigrants. They are the hardest working, patriotic people you could ever see.

Immigration and more population is not a burden and detriment, except perhaps in the very short run; history shows that in the long run we will be a stronger country, especially economically.<hr /></blockquote>My problem is not the immagrants that come to the US and "work their ever-loving butts off to claw out a place in our culture" The ones that make me mad are the ones that come looking for a free ride. Most of the ones taking the free ride where born here anyways. The cycle continues....

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