<a href="http://kdka.com/topstories/StoryFolder/story_106425_html" target="_blank">Here is the article..</a>
6th grader drew doodles in class, of teachers with arrows through them (Hands up who didnt do this sort of crap) and was suspended for a 'terrorist act'
I am appalled to even be wanting to visit the USA after this sort of garbage.
-Cabbage out. :mad: :mad: :mad:
This is getting out of hand. Possible expulsion for a drawing!!! That's a little overboard. I'm glad I not that age, or I would have been expuled for the games we used to play when I was young.
I agree. I could understand a three day suspension if the kid drew the pisture to more resemble the techer or if it had a more direct threat towards the teacher. Much rather have a kid doodle to let out alittle frustration rather than perhaps getting hands on a weapon and going after the techer. A one hour detention could have still made example to show they do not tolerate would have been sugnificant enough. Man I skipped 10 days of gym class in a row and did not bet suspended for three days. People who got in fist fight usually got suspended for only a day or two. But then again, these were pre-Colombine (?sp)days too. Sure a lot is not tolerated now......
she doodled the pictures & wrote the teachers/substitute teachers name underneath the drawings. maybe not suspension, but she did deserve detention. plus she's an honor roll student, i know brain smarts doesnt necessarily mean a person has common sense, but cmon :p
ps - i never drew teachers with arrows through the head or dying/dead <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
Things just aren't the same anymore.
For example: I can remember back when I was still in school (not too long ago), if we had something like a bomb scare we would just go outside and wait for like an hour (while a few cops walked through the building to see if it was ok). If the school didn't blow up within that hour, we would go back in. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
A school in my town recently had a bomb scare and they canceled school for the rest of the day while the fire deptartment and county police went through the school with bomb sniffing dogs.
Its a different world we live in now, threats are taken much more seriously, and a lot of time its overkill.
I saw Bill Mayer (sp?) on Dennis Miller last night talking about how college "students" are the same way. It was a fantastic episode and I recommend everyone see it. My favorite line was that since 99% of television is dedicated to sensitivity, he should be allowed his tiny corner devoted to truth.
Sensitivity vs truth. We are a nation of wimps. Wimps even when it comes to other peoples ideas. Hopefully it'll swing around the other way in 10 years or so.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by EvilCabbage:
<strong><a href="http://kdka.com/topstories/StoryFolder/story_106425_html" target="_blank">Here is the article..</a>
6th grader drew doodles in class, of teachers with arrows through them (Hands up who didnt do this sort of crap) and was suspended for a 'terrorist act'
I am appalled to even be wanting to visit the USA after this sort of garbage.
-Cabbage out. :mad: :mad: :mad: </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well, at least he was not playing with his doodle. I could understand that then. this is just silly.
I will also agree that it is utter B$ some of the things we here in the US pull, it sometimes makes me ashamed to be an American Citizen.
i remember when i was a kid i would draw stick figures killing each other in class and when the teacher caught me she would yell at me because i wasnt listening to her.
but that is total B S .
A) Is this really a credible site to really buy into this story? C'mon now. Don't get suckered into the hype.
B) I can think of a few teachers in my time who I would've gladly drawn a doodle of an arrow going through their head.
C) This Bon Jovi song that I'm listening to right now (It's My Life) is pretty cool.
I would have been executed if things were like that when i was in school
I was suspended once for killing time. Who knew?
When I was in 6th or 7th grade, I got ISS (In-School Suspension, like all day detention) for simply running down the hallway. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> Now that was a load of B.S.!
It's all these "zero-tolerance" policies.
When I was young, I got in 3 fights in school, 1st one - I got off, 2nd time - suspended 2 days, 3rd time, 1 1/2 days. Back then, you took a knife to school, it was taken, and you got detention.
My brother was in a fight a couple years ago. He got 2 week suspension. Next time he fights he's expelled! Tell me that's not a bit harsh. So if he's getting the crap kicked outta him, he can't swing at anyone or he's expelled. And this is a public school, not private!
I also saw another example in the paper a while back. An honor student expelled for having a bread knife in the back of his truck. It fell out of a box of things he helped his grandmother moved the day before.
what does this teach the children? I'm concerned on what kind of message these "zero tolerance" laws and "poloitcal correctness" are teaching children about how to act as adults.
Maybe I grew up in a "golden age" of education but this kind of crap was never a problem when I was in school.
its the kids opinion...I always hate how if the kid has a opinion the school kicks the kid out.
This is stupid, I have always hated school, I went through this when I was a laid. Art is art, is it not?
I keep saying this like a broken record but It's a Brave New World. Liberals control 99% of television and a large percentage of education. Their goal is to eliminate individuality and free thought through training or drugs (like ridilin). I'm not gonna spout on this cuz I've got other things to do right now (and I hate sounding like a radical nut all of the time) but check this out.
<a href="http://www.boortz.com/demsecrets.htm" target="_blank">http://www.boortz.com/demsecrets.htm</a>
And I start to wonder why I want to bring a child into this world ...... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by iateyourcat:
<strong>I keep saying this like a broken record but It's a Brave New World. Liberals control 99% of television and a large percentage of education. Their goal is to eliminate individuality and free thought through training or drugs (like ridilin). I'm not gonna spout on this cuz I've got other things to do right now (and I hate sounding like a radical nut all of the time) but check this out.
<a href="http://www.boortz.com/demsecrets.htm" target="_blank">http://www.boortz.com/demsecrets.htm</a></strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">It's not just the liberals and anymore the line between liberals and conservatives is crossed so often it's ludicrious.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by ilovetheusers:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by iateyourcat:
<strong>I keep saying this like a broken record but It's a Brave New World. Liberals control 99% of television and a large percentage of education. Their goal is to eliminate individuality and free thought through training or drugs (like ridilin). I'm not gonna spout on this cuz I've got other things to do right now (and I hate sounding like a radical nut all of the time) but check this out.
<a href="http://www.boortz.com/demsecrets.htm" target="_blank">http://www.boortz.com/demsecrets.htm</a></strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">It's not just the liberals and anymore the line between liberals and conservatives is crossed so often it's ludicrious.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">No doubt. ...and being a liberal, it is 'our' agenda to promote individuality. We're the ones who wish to restore the arts (where there is more room for individual development and expression) to public schools rather than reducing curriculums to reading, writing, and arithmetic. And as a good liberal, I've actively campaigned against the use of ritalin. From my experience, ritalin is often just a tool used to control kids from being kids when the parents don't have realistic ideas about how kids need to explore their environments. (not to detract from those lesser number of cases where a child really has some chemical imbalances--but even many of those can be controlled with better diets....)
ILTU is right, the lines have gotten very confused here....creating confusion is the easiest way to improve the odds of propaganda campaigns succeeding--a fact that both political parties use as much as is possible. Neither has a monopoly on 'rightness' or 'integrity.'
I am the leader of a Boy Scout troop here and 2 years ago, (pre all recent terrorist BS), one of my scouts accidently took a pocket knife to school. It was on the Monday following an outing we had where the boy used his school backpack. Worst part is the boy got in trouble because he realized after getting to school he had the knife with him and took it to the office to ask them to hold it for him because he knew he shouldn't have it with him! They called the police, had him arrested, fined, and expelled him! I went with his mother in front of the school board and to court and eventually got it all wiped clean. Remarkable thing is this boy is an honor roll student, in ROTC, band, and just an all round good kid.
Maybe she just liked the teachers Steve Martin impersonations.
Maybe?
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by asm481:
<strong>I am the leader of a Boy Scout troop here and 2 years ago, (pre all recent terrorist BS), one of my scouts accidently took a pocket knife to school. It was on the Monday following an outing we had where the boy used his school backpack. Worst part is the boy got in trouble because he realized after getting to school he had the knife with him and took it to the office to ask them to hold it for him because he knew he shouldn't have it with him! They called the police, had him arrested, fined, and expelled him! I went with his mother in front of the school board and to court and eventually got it all wiped clean. Remarkable thing is this boy is an honor roll student, in ROTC, band, and just an all round good kid.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">thats bull
Man when I have kids and this happends to them these teachers will fear me!!! Ill be in jail for a month also :D
Just a point on the ritalin issue - its not always the parents causing the kids to end up on it.
This is from experience - I was a victim of it, and my stepson almost had it happen to him before I stepped in
The schools play a big part in kids ending up on control - type drugs. If a teacher thinks "Billy" is a little too active, she can have the school doctor put the kid on drugs. It took 3 Months of me going around school stoned before my mother was finally able to get me removed from the drugs!!!!! I was in 3rd grade - now as an adult I wonder how much that affected my life, and how much difference there would be in my standard of living if this had not happened. I have a great long term memory, but lousy short tem - and after that is about the time i started having problems with remembering short-term - if it was studied in class that day don't test me on it, I would not know the answer.
(/rant)
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by RebelJ:
<strong>Just a point on the ritalin issue - its not always the parents causing the kids to end up on it.
This is from experience - I was a victim of it, and my stepson almost had it happen to him before I stepped in
The schools play a big part in kids ending up on control - type drugs. If a teacher thinks "Billy" is a little too active, she can have the school doctor put the kid on drugs. It took 3 Months of me going around school stoned before my mother was finally able to get me removed from the drugs!!!!! I was in 3rd grade - now as an adult I wonder how much that affected my life, and how much difference there would be in my standard of living if this had not happened. I have a great long term memory, but lousy short tem - and after that is about the time i started having problems with remembering short-term - if it was studied in class that day don't test me on it, I would not know the answer.
(/rant)</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Excellent point. I hereby amend my comment to read Parents and other Adults in positions of authority.....
in a bizzare twist of coincidance, my 6 year old son was suspended today for telling a friend... "if the teacher gives us anymore homework we are going to have to chop her up and eat her". I am not quite sure how I feel about this, canabolism is not a good thing, but I hear teachers are tasty.
- john
I'm going to date myself here, but these things have been going on for years in certain areas, we just forget :(. I grew up in Richmond, VA (Henrico Co.) at the time of desegregation in the late 60's. Absolute fierce race riots were the norm during my late grade school and middle school years. Marshall law ruled the schools for a couple of years. It got to the point that security guards (we called them the Mole Patrol) would check everything. Anything that looked suspicious was confiscated and you were sent home. No questions asked. Any thing said or infurred if the teacher thought it was derogatory was a no no. I was sent home in the 8th grade because the teacher overheard me saying I went with my father to a Coon hunting trial over the weekend. My dad raised and sold UKC and ACHA registered Blue-Tick and Black n Tan Coon Hunting Dogs and these trials were/are actual national events. It took three days to get me back to school and I was suspended off the 8th grade baseball team for 1 week (my dad actually hired a lawyer)!!! Eventually we all grew up and learned to get along and by the time I reached High School in '72 things had quieted down. I see such a pattern today. When I was a TA then a teacher of 8th grade Earth Science back in the late 70's and early 80's in Virginia and Tennessee my reaction was always where the heck are the parents!!! I can't imagine what's going on now.
*sigh* ..
stop the world, I want to get off....