Far from the truth

*FIRST I ASK THAT THIS DOESN'T GET OUT OF HAND*

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So here is the the deal: Our friends over at PETA say that Rodeos are bad and that animals that perform are mistreated. Read the article and you will see what I mean.

I have a few things to say. First, living in Texas, I know the people that perform in Rodeos. I am not saying that is the way Texas is. In fact farms and ranchs are usually so far away from town you can't even see the city (which for Texas is a big deal. Basically it means that's really F'in far away). So the animals are happy and have PLEANTY of room to fart around. The two or three ranches that are in town have MAYBE a horse or two, which (if you see the ranches) they have pleanty of room. Secondly the people that take care of these Rodeo animals love them as much as their children. They spend more money on making the animals happy then alot of us make in a month. So far we have plenty of space and happy animals. Next PETA says that during transport these animals are caged up. I have to give it them, they are right. I have often thought that we should give these animals the freedom to kick and rock back and forth in their cages while travling 60 miles down a crowded highway. I mean come on guys they NEED this room to rock the trailer! Blah! It's for their own good. Think about it, horses are natuarlly easly startled animals. If the trailer they are in starts doing anything funny they start bucking and kicking and it's over. The trailer flips over and the horse dies, the driver dies, and anybody around them when it happens. THE ONLY cruel thing that I know of from actually being at a rodeo is that the bulls get their nuts tied together to make them go phyco. That is the ONLY THING THAT IS CRUEL. There is no missing skin, or pools of blood and crap. I can think of much worse things PETA has done to animals AND people then all the rodeos but togerher.

I just have a couple of things to say about PETA and rodeo's. First of all, I'm not a PETA supporter. But by the same token I'm not a rodeo supporter either. I went through a "country/western" phase a few years back and ended up going to a rodeo once. I'm sure there are good rodeo's and bad rodeo's, but the one I saw seemed pretty bad. I just don't like seeing animals abused and mistreated. The one thing that pissed me off the most, was when the big macho cowboy dork, get's up on his horse, and then tries to see how fast he can hog tie a little calf. And then there was a whole assortment of other things that happened that I just didn't enjoy watching. Anyway, I probably will never go to another one again. Nothing against rodeo's, they're just not appealing to me is all. Just my 2 cents.

[quote]Originally posted by WebHead:
<strong>I just have a couple of things to say about PETA and rodeo's. First of all, I'm not a PETA supporter. But by the same token I'm not a rodeo supporter either. I went through a "country/western" phase a few years back and ended up going to a rodeo once. I'm sure there are good rodeo's and bad rodeo's, but the one I saw seemed pretty bad. I just don't like seeing animals abused and mistreated. The one thing that pissed me off the most, was when the big macho cowboy dork, get's up on his horse, and then tries to see how fast he can hog tie a little calf. And then there was a whole assortment of other things that happened that I just didn't enjoy watching. Anyway, I probably will never go to another one again. Nothing against rodeo's, they're just not appealing to me is all. Just my 2 cents.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Sorry But I have to agree with Brother Web!
went to a Rodeo once that was enough for me!

I am not too hot on Rodeos either. I don't find them that much fun and chasing after that damn greased up pig is just retarded. I can't defend rodeos to much but we have horse races, and dog races, and freakin turtles race. I know a rodeo doesn't fit in those catagories but we do enjoy entertainment and we do use animals as such. Along with small children, grown men, grown women. Riding a bucking Bronco is not a big deal, cowboys do it all the time on their ranch and doing it for money in front of a crowd is no big deal. On the other hand ball tieing and castration racing I don't find entertaining but I guess I can choose to watch something else...Hmmmm. I guess I with you guys there, I just don't go to rodeos anymore.

I just don't get it, my parents lived in Texas for a while and I could never figure out why anyone would wnat to ride a cow when you have all those pick up trucks. It's not really a sport. The thing which is crule about it is that you have a 2 or three ton animal caged up and then people tease it to get it angry and then you release it into a ring with an idiot on it's back who hole deal is to stay on for 8 seconds. May because I am english but it just sounds silly. May be because the english don't have cows that big we chose to eat them istead of ride them. I wouldn't agree with Peta %100 but I would say they were half wrong. That's just my $0.02 worth.

i think we should make a new rodeo and instead of using regular cows , we ride on cows that have mad cow desease.

I just feel sorry for those poor deformed fellows with the colored hair and baggy pants. They don't have people looking out for them.

What gets me is that PETA is worried about the rights of an animal without being concerned for the well-being of people around the globe who don't have any rights and are starving.

Just ignore them.

The only "PETA" I care about is the kind you make gyro sandwiches with. Yum, Yum.

Bracius, I'm sure you knew I would have 2 cents on this (remember the Dave T. post). Upon reflection, I find myself surprised to have no opinion on this issue. I didn't know about the Bull's nuts tho, which kind of sucks for them. Agreed to all the above about caged animals, tackling calves, etc., but whenever I see the Pro Rodeo Thang on the telly, I get sucked in by it. I saw some rodeos in person as a kid (OREGON), and my cousin got his back Jacked-up beyond all repair by a bull during a rodeo (in his cowboy phase). But at least the bull had a chance... So I guess I'm either hypocritical, or the cowboys just kick so much a$$...

I like the rodeo clowns too, those cats are finally getting the recognition they deserve.

So as a PETA supporter and an herbivore, I say hmmmm...

Veggies for Rodeo Preservation.

[quote]Originally posted by ElBatcho:
<strong>I just don't get it, my parents lived in Texas for a while and I could never figure out why anyone would wnat to ride a cow when you have all those pick up trucks. It's not really a sport. The thing which is crule about it is that you have a 2 or three ton animal caged up and then people tease it to get it angry and then you release it into a ring with an idiot on it's back who hole deal is to stay on for 8 seconds. May because I am english but it just sounds silly. May be because the english don't have cows that big we chose to eat them istead of ride them. I wouldn't agree with Peta %100 but I would say they were half wrong. That's just my $0.02 worth.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Hey I understand and that's cool. Everyone around the world has different cultures and customs. To me a Rodeo is just another gathering of red necks riding animals and I find it extremely boring. How ever bullfighting is beast against man (yeah, I know the guy has spears and a sword) and find it mildly interesting as opposed to cock (rosters) fighting, which I find scummy and revolting. If your start thinking about it tribes in Africa pierce their penis with bones or stick circular wood in their lips. The Chinese (still) bind the feet of women. While in south America they cut down trees disturbing thousands of species and removing the rain forest. While of the coast of Japan and China there are STILL Whaling ships. I guess the point is that PETA is going after the small battles that have more publicity and not potential. the PETA group and others like it are more concerned with the 8 o' clock news than coming out with solutions for some real problems.

[quote]Originally posted by Stanley_Kubrick:
<strong>Bracius, I'm sure you knew I would have 2 cents on this (remember the Dave T. post). Upon reflection, I find myself surprised to have no opinion on this issue. I didn't know about the Bull's nuts tho, which kind of sucks for them. Agreed to all the above about caged animals, tackling calves, etc., but whenever I see the Pro Rodeo Thang on the telly, I get sucked in by it. I saw some rodeos in person as a kid (OREGON), and my cousin got his back Jacked-up beyond all repair by a bull during a rodeo (in his cowboy phase). But at least the bull had a chance... So I guess I'm either hypocritical, or the cowboys just kick so much a$$...

I like the rodeo clowns too, those cats are finally getting the recognition they deserve.

So as a PETA supporter and an herbivore, I say hmmmm...

Veggies for Rodeo Preservation.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Hey don't feel bad that you support PETA and have your own opinion about this. I guess as you know I don't like PETA but I do have to give you a "Thank you" for not chantting with PETA just because you haven't formed a formal opinion on this. (However that sounded I meant it in a positive way).

Lets tie a rope around Bracius's nuts and see how long we can ride him! It'll be fun!

Course if we do this we might incur the wrath of PETB. People for the ethical treatment of Braciuses.

:p

Hey that's a verb not a noun! When you use my name it used as: "He Bracius all night long" or "Damn, he's still Braciusing"

Huh? So whats the literal definition of Bracius? I thought it was a molusk or something...

[quote]Originally posted by ilovetheusers:
<strong>Huh? So whats the literal definition of Bracius? I thought it was a molusk or something...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Mean Mollusk? I can tell you that "Bracius" dates back before "Latin" was ever devloped. The origins of "Bracius" dates back to the Brac clans of Bracus, back before Pangea split. They spoke mostly jibberish and died quickly as they could not warn each other not to eat the blue berries.

Don't really have too much of an opinion. Truthfully, I say let all the animals be unless you're loving them. I understand that some people would say rodeos are cruel but I imagine that some people would also say keeping animals in captivity is cruel and I shouldn't be doing it. If these people wanna raise animals to tie up their nuts and see 'em go crazy, well... atleast I'm not forced to watch it. And that's the reason I don't have an opinion (or so much of one.) I love pretty much all animals just because they're neat. They're all like little kids and I enjoy spending time with them. That's the reason I keep so many animals now and will continue to do so in the future. What my neighbor does to his animals, short of torturing or killing, should be none of my business if I don't have to look at him. My $0.02.

[quote]Originally posted by ilovetheusers:
<strong>Huh? So whats the literal definition of Bracius? I thought it was a molusk or something...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Aha! I knew there would be something in this thread worth getting into a fight over!!! :D :D :D

BTW, shouldn't the plural of Bracius be Bracii? :D

Rodeos are cruel

matadors are cruel

and really if the animals are mistreated they should be banned from existing but on the other hand
zoos and circuses are cruel too apparently
( but how else does my kid see a live elephant as I cant afford a african safari)

the animal rights issues of the new century are quickly gaining in popularity from all the greenies (after the fires here "greenie" is a dirty word here in aus) and do gooders on their soapboxes preaching to the masses about animal rights....

I say somewhere there is a happy medium.....a nice even balance........
I'm sick of the exteremes and extremists

Mayet, I still love watching the avatar in you sig. That is so cool how her jumblies bounce around like that. :D

[quote]Originally posted by Mayet:
<strong>I say somewhere there is a happy medium.....a nice even balance........
I'm sick of the exteremes and extremists</strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree... zero tolerance! DEATH TO ALL EXTREMISTS!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

:D

[quote]Originally posted by Wayward Clam:
<strong>

Aha! I knew there would be something in this thread worth getting into a fight over!!! :D :D :D

BTW, shouldn't the plural of Bracius be Bracii? :D </strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, I was hoping that the disclaimer at the start of the thread would prevent members from straying from the topic or keep people from acting like a 12 year old. It's all good,[Mr. T voice] it's just jibber jabba and I pitty da fool [/Mr. T voice]. Also the answer to your question is NO. It's Braciusing, it's going to be the new hip slang word of the century.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm https://forums.windrivers.com/

[quote]Originally posted by WebHead:
<strong>Mayet, I still love watching the avatar in you sig. That is so cool how her jumblies bounce around like that. :D </strong><hr></blockquote>

yes mesmerizing is the word I think.... I am very jealous of her how you say ASSETS

animals are not HUMAN...therefore they have no RIGHTS.
i think all these PETA d*ckheads should go back to what they are good at...sittin in trees and learnin to play the flute.

[quote]Originally posted by Mayet:
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yes mesmerizing is the word I think.... I am very jealous of her how you say ASSETS</strong><hr></blockquote>

You don't need to be jealous... :D

[quote]Originally posted by geeksRus:
<strong>animals are not HUMAN...therefore they have no RIGHTS.
i think all these PETA d*ckheads should go back to what they are good at...sittin in trees and learnin to play the flute.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I have a question here and I am not trying to start a war and once again I am not an extremist....but what makes one think that humans are special.....what makes one believe that the human race has more rights than the other creatures on this planet...the way i see it is yes humans are top of the food chain now... and here but that could change sometime.... just imagine cats could be number one.....and do you think that a cat in charge would care how a human was treated.....anyway just a thought to ponder on........


and spaceman after 4 kids and one on the way...well my mirror says I hve a teeny weeny right to feel a leetle jealous of her mesmerising bouncing jumblies..
mine do not bounce... I call them my airbags ...and only hope that they will inflate in case of emergency...........

Hehe, I cant see her "ASSETS" Im to busy watching the "jumbilies" :D :D :D

ok...i was a bit hasty i guess (in my old-fart mood today). let me say this...i don't hunt, but i won't stop you if you do. i don't go to rodeo's but i understand the attraction. i like animals and would never intentionally hurt one. but it galls me when some of these activists assign human traits to animals.
i have never cut down a tree but i certainly wouldn't lay down in front of a bulldozer to stop someone from felling a redwood (makes some damn lovely patio furniture).

PETA - People Eating Tasty Animals

Never been to a Rodeo but I've seen Bull fights in Spain and while it's exciting watching a bloke nearly get his head off ( :eek: ) it still lose's it's appeal when they kill the Bull (after they spend 20 mins letting it bleed to death). We put a different scale on animal life though, who here goes fishing and takes their catch home? That could be said to be cruel as well. Personally I think people will always want to see games/sports which some people would say are cruel to the animals involved.

I really think the whole thing comes down to balance and the happy medium..


I fish ...I don't kiss it and send it back like good ole Rex Hunt does...which I do think is cruel, for the sake of good television and money...when I fish I take him home and eat him.....same as if I went hunting...

[quote]Originally posted by Mayet:
<strong>
and spaceman after 4 kids and one on the way...well my mirror says I hve a teeny weeny right to feel a leetle jealous of her mesmerising bouncing jumblies..
mine do not bounce... I call them my airbags ...and only hope that they will inflate in case of emergency...........</strong><hr></blockquote>

I have to admit, Mayet, I like the bouncing, even if Calvin isn't sure... :D :D :D

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[quote]Originally posted by Mayet:
<strong>I really think the whole thing comes down to balance and the happy medium..


I fish ...I don't kiss it and send it back like good ole Rex Hunt does...which I do think is cruel, for the sake of good television and money...when I fish I take him home and eat him.....same as if I went hunting...</strong><hr></blockquote>

I hunt and fish, too. When I drop an elk, I don't think about the psychological trauma I've caused the beastie...rather, I look forward to the excellent food me and my family will enjoy now. F-O-O-D, that spells "dead animal"...yum... :D

I like how Mad Max (from the John Boy and Billy show, radio personality) puts is. "You're on the top of the food chain, get over it"

I've always wondered how distinctions of 'rights' and 'worthiness' are made. Most vegan's I've ever talked to said they would never eat animal products because it's wrong to take a life--even an animals...

O.K. Not a totally unreasonable premise but let's examine that a little closer...

Are not fruits, vegetables, and grains--the staples of vegan's--living breathing organs with circulatory systems as well? What about wood products? Do vegans shun paper and wooden houses? So where does one draw the line?

Personally, I will freely admit to being an omnivore but I try to maintain a respectfull awareness of what was sacrificed for my need. And I absolutely HATE throwing away spoiled wasted food. :cool:

I wonder what the PETA/ASPCA crown has to say about bomb-sniffing dogs that find explosives and keep them from blowing up airplanes and buildings?

[quote]Originally posted by Sowulo:
<strong>I've always wondered how distinctions of 'rights' and 'worthiness' are made. Most vegan's I've ever talked to said they would never eat animal products because it's wrong to take a life--even an animals...

O.K. Not a totally unreasonable premise but let's examine that a little closer...

Are not fruits, vegetables, and grains--the staples of vegan's--living breathing organs with circulatory systems as well? What about wood products? Do vegans shun paper and wooden houses? So where does one draw the line?

Personally, I will freely admit to being an omnivore but I try to maintain a respectfull awareness of what was sacrificed for my need. And I absolutely HATE throwing away spoiled wasted food. :cool: </strong><hr></blockquote>

..................EGGSACTLY................


Harmony and balance

and where is the line drawn........Do we judge a meat eating predator as being a bad animal for not eating fruit.......and yet we are judged by other humans for the same thing........are these individuals perfect and closer to the "GOD ASPECT" because of this ???
Do we sin by killing and eating meat.....

I don't think so or else God wouldn't have made steak knives to cut our meat........ ;)

[quote]Originally posted by Mayet:
<strong>

..................EGGSACTLY................


Harmony and balance

and where is the line drawn........Do we judge a meat eating predator as being a bad animal for not eating fruit.......and yet we are judged by other humans for the same thing........are these individuals perfect and closer to the "GOD ASPECT" because of this ???
Do we sin by killing and eating meat.....

I don't think so or else God wouldn't have made steak knives to cut our meat........ ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree with Mayet, and I have really sharp steak knives.

Great topic everybody! Let me add one more comment to the PETA debate. I am not a supporter of PETA, but I am in the Catch 22 position of having a son who is alive today because of the results of animal research conducted at the University of Virginia in the late 70's (Saul-Wilson Disease). I hate the conditions and treatment these animals recieve, but my special boy is with me today based on some of this type research. I have come to the conclusion that "Animal Research" for human suffering is tolerable, but Animal Research for cosmetics or other things is just plain cruel. A Fine Line well maybe, but not to me, because I have living proof sitting next to me right now. :)

[quote]Originally posted by ilovetheusers:
<strong>Lets tie a rope around Bracius's nuts and see how long we can ride him! It'll be fun!

Course if we do this we might incur the wrath of PETB. People for the ethical treatment of Braciuses.

:p </strong><hr></blockquote>

HA HA LOL