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What is you fav windows programming language.
I actually like Visual Basic - for it's ability to quickly throw together simple programs to stupify windows more for the average network user.
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I also use Visual Basic, but going to be learning visual fox pro for database stuff in the next couple of months.
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Trying to learn SQL.
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Death is lighter than a feather - duty heavier than a mountian.
Perl. lt is the best all-around utility language there is. Disk/system/network administration, CGI, SQL-DBI, scripting, even fun little GUI programs to sit on top of console utilities. Damn l love perl https://forums.windrivers.com/
Right now learing c++. Not that I have built some mjor programs but it seems to be a great language to get started with.
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I like the ease and versitility of VB. I have made some useful programs for my purposes. If anyone needs help I'd be glad to try.
I would agree with you LagMonster, right now I am getting ready to take on a new adventure - Windows COBOL - 32bit COBOL programs with VB-like screens.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by LagMonster:
I like the ease and versitility of VB. I have made some useful programs for my purposes. If anyone needs help I'd be glad to try. </font>
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OS/400...At least it's not Microsoft.
I also like VB, granted, it is the only language I know. I think I'm going to learn C++ next.
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No offence but Visual Basic IS NOT a real programming language!
Visual C++ is my favorite Windows programming language.
I really, really hate to argue with you, but VB *IS* a "real" programming language. You still have to know basic to use it properly.
I personally like Delphi, but that's because I've been programming in Pascal for almost 10 years. I just started converting some of my DOS programs to windows, and have added some major improvements.
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I say VB is NOT a real programming language because it is very easy to use. I use Visual C++ and that is programming because you even have to write code to make the screen appear. In VB you only have to hit the run button and you have a window that pops up. There is no programming involved there. To make a window appear in Visual C++ you have to write about 95 lines of code to display the window (with no functionality). In visual c++ you actually learn how everything works in a windows program.
You have a point there, BUT have you tried Direct X SDK with VB. Its fairly close to VC++, Because you have to once again create the DC, Front and Back Buffer and Destroy it, But it has the ease of VB syntax. Just a thought. If you haven't tried yet I'd suggest trying it. If your worried about performance loss by Programming in VB don't worry about it because the DX functions aren't running in VB, your just calling them from VB.Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by vman:
I say VB is NOT a real programming language because it is very easy to use. I use Visual C++ and that is programming because you even have to write code to make the screen appear. In VB you only have to hit the run button and you have a window that pops up. There is no programming involved there. To make a window appear in Visual C++ you have to write about 95 lines of code to display the window (with no functionality). In visual c++ you actually learn how everything works in a windows program.</font>
I'm learning VB right now, but I wish I had more free time to learn C++.
So, I guess VB is my answer!
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Just because a language is easy to use, doesn't mean that it's not a real programming language. VB is a very flexible language. If you were on a time constraint, the vb would probably be quicker to code the same task(I don't know for sure but following vman's theory). You would probably say the same thing for COBOL, because it uses english words instead of codes and indicators in specific columns(RPG).
The dictionary definition of a programming language from dictionary.com is:
A formal language in which computer programs are written.
It doesn't say in there whether the language has to be complex, or not; it doesn't say that it has to be a HLL or not.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by vman:
I say VB is NOT a real programming language because it is very easy to use. I use Visual C++ and that is programming because you even have to write code to make the screen appear. In VB you only have to hit the run button and you have a window that pops up. There is no programming involved there. To make a window appear in Visual C++ you have to write about 95 lines of code to display the window (with no functionality). In visual c++ you actually learn how everything works in a windows program.</font>
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OS/400...At least it's not Microsoft.
I've been working with VC++ for a few years now and really like it, been meaning to pick up VB but have been stumped with time constraints. QSECOFR, wow...COBOL http://forums.windrivers.com/cgi-bin...ilies/cwm9.gif
I haven't seen the 32bit versoins yet, but working with COBOL85 was acully kind of fun for me, one of the most structured languages I've seen (I hear Delphi is structured very well also).
We just got the software. We haven't implemented any of it yet. I'll keep you posted on the 32 bit implementatons - will be flametested on Win2000 pro. We're using Realia Workbench from CA.
Although, most of the COBOL I work with is on an AS/400 Model 600.
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OS/400...At least it's not Microsoft.
[This message has been edited by QSECOFR (edited March 15, 2001).]
Well, I use VB in conjunction with little offshoots like VBA, ASP, and HTML to do many, many fun things. Active desktop with live updating dropdowns for running various programs and such. (Yes, I am running a web-server, so ASP is running.)
I've looked at the C-flavored languages, and glimpsed the wonders of PERL, but I'm still a big BASIC fan. I've been using BASIC since my dad's IBM PC-jr with a cartridge to boot from (circa 1986). I've made apps in everything from BASIC to QuickBASIC to TurboBASIC to VB3-6. (Working on .NET, even though the whole thing sucks .eggs)
For those of you who don't think VB is a real language:
Just because you can't specify the molecular composition of your gumball, that doesn't mean you're not using a gumball machine. https://forums.windrivers.com/
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Hmm...so are you saying VB is a bubble-gum language? Or that most programmers are like biochemists and VB programmers can't do much besides chew gum? https://forums.windrivers.com/Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Sparky625:
For those of you who don't think VB is a real language:
Just because you can't specify the molecular composition of your gumball, that doesn't mean you're not using a gumball machine. https://forums.windrivers.com/
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l think VB is ok for home users, as compared to C or C++, the same way that "black ice" and "Zone alarm HE" are good in comparison to a PIX or IPChains router. lt's fine to use them to make little apps that read log files or serve as a frontend to launching other tasks...but if you're looking for a career in programming, and don't like getting laughed at, learn something a little more usefull, versatile, portable and, to use Microsoft's favorite word, "robust". https://forums.windrivers.com/
[This message has been edited by BreakWindows (edited March 15, 2001).]
VB is a Programming language. It may be easyer than VC++ (I have neve got to program in VC++ yet but I will) but it is still a programming language, just like Q Basic IS a programming language.
I first asumed that "Visual" Basic had a "visual" basis in it and "Visual" C++ would also, but I could be mistaken.
I prefer Visual Basic and am currently in a small company with a friend making programs for people in Visual Basic.
If you teach me another language and give me the compiler, ect. then I'll try it, but until then, I'm with VB.
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hey all.. ill give you a little history lesson about my programming..
i started out in DOS Turing(ohh, to be back in the days of linear programming) about 4 years ago in my gr.11 comp sci class, then in 12 and OAC i moved onto VB.. that was interesting because i had to relearn some of my Turing habits(such as calling elsif.. ooops, elseif).
VB is a real language. Even tho you have a window premade for you, you still have to code all the events underneath.
This summer before i came to university i made an attempt to learn some VC++. i learned a little, but not enough. And i got to university and i now know how to program im Java, so its a toss up as to which is my fav... VB for simplicity, or Java for its multi-platformanism....
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That is one of the MOST ARROGANT things I have ever heard someone say. Do me a favor - get C++ and create a program that consults a database of users and compares a captured fingerprint at anyone of 4000 locations to the stored data of 35000 saved fingerprints, output the data to a log, return the user information on an update screen for the security monitoring, unlock the door and track the user movements throughout a 150000 sq ft location and by the time you get half way done with it in C++ I will be finished in my "too easy" programming language.Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by vman:
I say VB is NOT a real programming language because it is very easy to use.</font>
Sorry, but I get offended when people insult a language that they do not understand as beneth them.
Don't take this as a flame, please, I am mostly joking.
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Death is lighter than a feather - duty heavier than a mountian.
I like VB. *Don't hit me* http://forums.windrivers.com/cgi-bin...lies/cwm27.gif I know VC++, and like it too. But I just whip a little proggie out faster in VB, therefore productivity continutes faster, and I get paid...faster.
But...I really REALLY want to learn PERL. Bad...really bad. Just...I have no time.
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I personally use both VB and C++. I can't say that I prefer one over the other. VB is easy to use, but I can see some potential power with C++ that VB cannot acomplish.(I may be wrong on this). Both languages are excellent in my opinion.
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No kidding. I say if it works, it works. If it works as well, faster, with fewer lines of code and less programmer hair-ripping, it's even better. When I feel like torturing myself for the sake of doing something the hard way, I'll just write all my stuff in machine language like a REAL programmer.Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by cyberhh:
That is one of the MOST ARROGANT things I have ever heard someone say. </font>
l think that is the problem most people have with VB. The programs aren't smaller or faster than a more intrusive language....but also, the whole point of programming is that you're designing your needs from the ground up. lt works how you want it, without someone else's fudging getting in the way. With VB, however, most of the code is written by someone else...a "someone else" notorious for writing shoddy software! In comes the "its not a real programming language" (which l can't completely agree with) argument, because you can't make a program outside VB's set protocol. ln C, l can do anything l want, because l'm writing it. ln VB, l can do lots of things...but we have to keep in mind what the "B" stands for http://forums.windrivers.com/cgi-bin/forum/wink.gifQuote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Renee:
No kidding. I say if it works, it works. If it works as well, faster, with fewer lines of code and less programmer hair-ripping</font>
Personally, l couldn't care less...people l work with use VB all the time, and l'd rather they did. l don't really need a logfile analyzer to run in 1MB RAM instead of 3MB, and speed isn't a concern when making a front-end to a console app....just get the damn thing finished, it shouldn't take you until after lunchtime for such a trivial task! And for that, VisualBasic is probably the way to go....well, either that or punchcards https://forums.windrivers.com/
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