Windows 98 and XP not getting along?

Ok I have a peer to peer network with two computers using a cross over cable. The machine with XP (Home) is the host of the internet connection. The problem is, the 98 machine when first turned on will connect to the net fine. After a few mins later the 98 machine will automaticly dissconnect from the network without any warning. I'll have to reboot this machine just so i can surf the web. (It's cable internet) The only way i can tell is if I try to go to a webpage my browser will say "Cannot open web page". Any of you heard of this problem?:confused:

I haven't had a lot of experience with XP and peer to peer internet sharing but this might help. Give it a browse.

Make sure your Guest Acct. on the XP box is set to enable. Might help!!

Are you using fixed ip's or dhcp?

If you are using dhcp then I suggest you try a fixed ip for the 98 box, sounds like the ip is renewing and cutting the connection.

Is there not some ICS wizard that you run on the XP machine that creates a diskette which in turn you run on the 98? I seem to remember doing that at some point, although I rarely touch XP at the moment.

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Originally posted by NooNoo
Are you using fixed ip's or dhcp?

If you are using dhcp then I suggest you try a fixed ip for the 98 box, sounds like the ip is renewing and cutting the connection.

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I have no idea what dhcp is, and the ip is fixed. As for the guest account, it's already enabled. The network setup diskett, it was thoes that i used to setup this network.

Also when I try to play a network game, I can't connect to games but yet i can still transfer files.....:( that's about the only thing I can do after I dissconnect.

Try this:

First, force the situation to happen again.

Second, drop into a cmd line and ping the IP address of the WinXP box.

If this works, it's something higher than protocol, something software related.

What software are you using the host the Internet connection? ICS? Or something third-party?

Then possibly you have the XP built in firewall operating and its blocking the connection... or its powering down the network card in power saving... go to hardware properties for the nic and check.

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Originally posted by The Computer Valet
Try this:

First, force the situation to happen again.

Second, drop into a cmd line and ping the IP address of the WinXP box.

If this works, it's something higher than protocol, something software related.

What software are you using the host the Internet connection? ICS? Or something third-party?

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Well, I couldn't "Force" the situation to happen agian but it did eventually happen. Apprently, I pinged the machine and got a response. (0%loss) and time was <10ms.:P Then I decided to ping another machine accross the internet and that worked also. But then when I tried to visite that website, i got the same responses.:confused: I am using ICS.

As for NooNoo's solution, apprently the box for powering down the NIC WAS checked and now I unchecked it.:o But then thing is, my bro uses that computer for 12 hours a day, I thought the power saving option will kick in when the system is idle. And I turned off firewall in the XP machine.

Well let's wait and see what happens.:o

After the situations happens, when you drop into winipcfg, what does the IP address read for the Ethernet card.

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Originally posted by The Computer Valet
After the situations happens, when you drop into winipcfg, what does the IP address read for the Ethernet card.

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It reads : 192.168.0.217
same as after I reboot:(

Are you able to connect to web addresses that you browsed BEFORE the drop off occurred?

You said you're using static addresses. You can't ping that address when the computer is off right? (Reason I ask is that this almost sounds like an IP conflict.)

Also: What is supplying your DNS?

Another question: How do you have your Connection settings altered in Internet Explorer options? Is it configured to detect proxy?

Are you able to connect to web addresses that you browsed BEFORE the drop off occurred? Yes I can view them, but after...:(

You said you're using static addresses. You can't ping that address when the computer is off right? Which computer? I can ping any address on the web and the XP machine when the 98 machine dissconnects

Is it configured to detect proxy? Yes it is on auto detect :p

What is supplying your DNS? (If I understand this question correctly) it would be my XP machine

Uncheck the autodetect and reboot.

In the properties for the 98 tcp/ip machine check that the gateway is 192.168.0.1 - if not add it and in DNS type in the computer name of the xp machine and the ip 192.168.0.1 - again reboot. (the ip 192.168.0.1 is the default for windows ics - if the xp machine is not 192.168.0.1 then enter the ip of the xp machine in gateway and dns tabs).

Your XP machine wouldn't be supplying the DNS numbers. They would be the ISP that the XP machine logs into.

Open your Connections config and select "LAN Settings..."

Uncheck EVERYTHING in that window. Nothing should be selected.

I had another thought.

When this happens again, drop to a command prompt and type

"telnet geocities.com 80"

If that doesn't work, type

"telnet geocities.com:80"

If you get a "connection refused" at any time, then something is actively blocking port 80 (http) connections from your Win98 PC.

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Originally posted by The Computer Valet
I had another thought.

When this happens again, drop to a command prompt and type

"telnet geocities.com 80"

If that doesn't work, type

"telnet geocities.com:80"

If you get a "connection refused" at any time, then something is actively blocking port 80 (http) connections from your Win98 PC.

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Then I guess there is something blocking that port, or all the others. None of my other apps that can connect to the internet will connect at thoes times. It's not just websites.

Did you get a connection refused?

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Originally posted by The Computer Valet
Did you get a connection refused?

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Yeah

Ok. If you try the same telnet command from the box that never drops off the Internet, do you receive a connection refused?

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Originally posted by The Computer Valet
Ok. If you try the same telnet command from the box that never drops off the Internet, do you receive a connection refused?

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no, it says "cannot open a connection to site:80"

I'm not sure I got your Configuration right but :

XP

Network card 1 - connected to cable modem shares connection to Network card 2

You should use a firewall on this connection !

Network Card 2 :

Should have IP: 192.168.0.1
Netmask: 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway: 192.168.0.1
DNS1: 192.168.0.1
DNS2: your ISP Main DNS (e.g. 24.25.195.1 for the main RoadRunner DNS in San Diego area)

Make sure there's no firewall on this connection !!!


Windows 98 Box :

IP: 192.168.0.2
Subnet: 255.255.255.0
Default GatewayL 192.168.0.1
DNS1: 192.168.0.1
DNS2: your ISP Main DNS (e.g. 24.25.195.1 for the main RoadRunner DNS in San Diego area)

after you have everything setup properly check the following things:

1. You can ping each computer from the other computer using both NetBIOS name and IP address:

e.g:

a. ping 192.168.0.1 form the Win98 and ping 192.168.0.2 from the XP.

b. ping NetBIOS name of WinXP from the Win98 and Ping NetBIOS name of the Win98 from the WinXP.

2. You can ping external computers usiing IP's and DNS names:

C:\>ping 24.25.195.1

Pinging 24.25.195.1 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 24.25.195.1: bytes=32 time=36ms TTL=239
Reply from 24.25.195.1: bytes=32 time=37ms TTL=239
Reply from 24.25.195.1: bytes=32 time=36ms TTL=239
Reply from 24.25.195.1: bytes=32 time=37ms TTL=239

Ping statistics for 24.25.195.1:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 36ms, Maximum = 37ms, Average = 36ms



With DNS:

C:\>ping ns1.san.rr.com

Pinging ns1.san.rr.com [24.25.195.1] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 24.25.195.1: bytes=32 time=37ms TTL=239
Reply from 24.25.195.1: bytes=32 time=37ms TTL=239
Reply from 24.25.195.1: bytes=32 time=37ms TTL=239
Reply from 24.25.195.1: bytes=32 time=36ms TTL=239

Ping statistics for 24.25.195.1:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 36ms, Maximum = 37ms, Average = 36ms



if and when your connection drops you can also try a simple traceroute using IP addresses and DNS and see if's a DNS issues or something else:

With only IP addresses:

C:\>tracert -d 24.25.195.1

Tracing route to 24.25.195.1 over a maximum of 30 hops

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.0.1
2 21 ms 23 ms 24 ms 216.249.64.XXX
3 17 ms 17 ms 17 ms 216.249.64.XXX
4 16 ms 17 ms 18 ms 207.217.2.XXX
5 17 ms 17 ms 17 ms 209.165.101.18
6 17 ms 18 ms 18 ms 64.156.132.21
7 18 ms 17 ms 18 ms 64.159.1.202
8 25 ms 26 ms 26 ms 64.159.1.130
9 25 ms 25 ms 24 ms 64.159.1.78
10 25 ms 25 ms 25 ms 66.185.147.17
11 25 ms 25 ms 27 ms 66.185.140.197
12 33 ms 34 ms 32 ms 66.185.152.45
13 33 ms 33 ms 33 ms 66.185.137.134
14 36 ms 35 ms 36 ms 66.185.137.138
15 36 ms 37 ms 36 ms 24.25.194.4
16 37 ms 37 ms 37 ms 24.25.195.1

Trace complete.



With DNS names:

C:\>tracert ns1.san.rr.com

Tracing route to ns1.san.rr.com [24.25.195.1]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.0.1
2 18 ms 18 ms 18 ms 216.249.64.XXX
3 17 ms 18 ms 19 ms 216.249.64.XXX
4 17 ms 16 ms 18 ms 207.217.2.XXX
5 17 ms 17 ms 18 ms bor02-ge-6-1.ca pasadena0.ne.earthlink.net [209.165.101.18]
6 18 ms 17 ms 17 ms POS6 1.hsipaccess1.LosAngeles1.Level3.net [64.156.132.21]
7 18 ms 18 ms 19 ms ge-6-0 1.mp1.LosAngeles1.level3.net [64.159.1.202]
8 25 ms 26 ms 25 ms so-3-0 0.mp2.SanJose1.Level3.net [64.159.1.130]

9 25 ms 25 ms 26 ms so-7-0 0.gar2.SanJose1.Level3.net [64.159.1.78]

10 25 ms 26 ms 25 ms pop2-sun-P0-2.atdn.net [66.185.147.17]
11 25 ms 25 ms 25 ms bb2-sun-P0-1.atdn.net [66.185.140.197]
12 33 ms 33 ms 32 ms bb2-las-P7-0.atdn.net [66.185.152.45]
13 32 ms 33 ms 35 ms pop1-las-P1-0.atdn.net [66.185.137.134]
14 36 ms 35 ms 36 ms rr-san-diego.atdn.net [66.185.137.138]
15 36 ms 37 ms 38 ms 24-25-194-4.san.rr.com [24.25.194.4]
16 36 ms 37 ms 37 ms ns1.san.rr.com [24.25.195.1]

Trace complete.


Hope it helps.

Thoes above are my exact settings (except the firewall). And the pinging and tracerouts all passed when my connection dropped.:p But now I'm thinking that it might be the 98 machine's fault cuz when it dissconnects, the XP machine dosen't even notices it (Usually a dissconnect icon appears on the system tray when I intentionaly go offline) When I try to go to the share doc of the 98 machine it would say "Incorrect path" or something. Do you think it's my power supply not giving out enough juce? cuz I recently installed a new hard drive. I use to be fine when I was running XP on both machines.:(

Well it looks like this problem won't be solved anythime soon.:mad: Common, I can't be the only one with this setup... can I?

Well at least answer this: ever since I setup this network, all the nodes can't transfer files or recive files through any instant messengers... why? I don't think I can even direct connect using AIM.:confused:

the lack of file transfers is due to the internet sharing, the dropping, no idea.

I did have a 98 box that printed to a xp one. at least it was supposed to. I have seen every 98 / XP setup become such a p.i.a. that Microsoft got a new sale. what you all think, just a way to annoy us into upgrading?

Prince Abaddon, I have the exact same configuration as you, host as XP and client is 98se. I couldn't play LAN games before but after reading this thread, everything works! But I still can't get ICS running, my client computer cannot seem to go on the internet at all.

got any old p75 or newer computers lying around the house?

if so you could set up a linux server which would (hopefull) fix the problem, but setting it up would be a bit of a pain...

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Originally posted by Six Eyed Smily
got any old p75 or newer computers lying around the house?

if so you could set up a linux server which would (hopefull) fix the problem, but setting it up would be a bit of a pain...

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I don't have any old computers lying around, wish I can try to see if it works though... I have actually pin pointed the problem to be in the XP machine. It seems that the XP machine does not have enough, or claims to, have enough memory, as a resault the droppings. If I leave my client on for a little while longer and then attemp to connect to the internet with other applications, with some programs I got a much detialed error message. It says something about not having enough buffer space and I would need to restart the application?, but the only thing that I CAN do is restart the whole client. I've even tried to switch network cards ans cables with no avial.

Now that I have tempered with all these settings, I came accross another problem. If the XP machine is in the login screen, my client can go online fine. There is no droppings whatso ever. But as soon as I login to ANY accoubnt on the XP machine, the internet on the client machine drops. This time, there is no 2 hour window, just as soon as I long into the XP machine. Hope you guys can at lest answer this question because it has been eating at me for four months now, ever since I got my computer.

Have microsoft rewritten ICS or something? Because it would seem that all the provious versions work flawlessly. One of my friends have ME and no problems there, and my other one has 2000. Both are 2 machines with a cross-over cable.