Lengthy startup caused by... new mouse?

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January 29th, 2003, 04:45 AM
G Man

Lengthy startup caused by... new mouse?

Oi... recently noticed that when i started up my computer, it took a lot longer than usual, and since I got a new mouse recently, I thought that might be it. So I stared at the mouse and noticed that when the status bar stopped, the mouse light hadnt come on, and then when it finally did (like a minute later) the status bar moved on and windows appeared. So I reckon its the mouse coz the only other thing I changed in the puter recently was a lite-on 48x24x48, and took out some dodgy 44x cdrom.. but that wouldnt be it, would it?

Thanks for any help!

Anyway, heres some specs:

Celery 667 @ 1Ghz
Jetway 601cf with Via PLE1330 (apollo 133) chipset and onboard vga
er.... lite-on 48x24x48
Win2k pro SP3
oh and the mouse is a Panwest Neobeetle (downloaded drivers but no good)
January 29th, 2003, 05:50 AM
Guts3d

I recently came across a situation like this... Is the new mouse U.S.B. and the old one ps2 or serial? The comp in question had the old and new still both hooked up, and it was confusing the heck out of the os... Unplugged the old, rebooted, and it worked fine.... :thumbs2:
January 29th, 2003, 06:02 AM
NooNoo

Re: Lengthy startup caused by... new mouse?

Quote:

Originally posted by G Man

Celery 667 @ 1Ghz
Jetway 601cf with Via PLE1330 (apollo 133) chipset and onboard vga
er.... lite-on 48x24x48
Win2k pro SP3
oh and the mouse is a Panwest Neobeetle (downloaded drivers but no good)

This mouse appears to be both usb and ps2 - which way have you got it connected? Is the adapter usb to ps2 or ps2 to usb, have you tried it without the adapter? Have you tried it running as a straight ps2 mouse (using only the windows drivers)? Have you tried a basic mouse - having removed the beetle mouse software?

And the thing that worries me - a celeron 667 running at 1 gig on a jetway board?????

How much ram?
January 29th, 2003, 06:45 AM
G Man

Re: Re: Lengthy startup caused by... new mouse?

Quote:

Originally posted by NooNoo
This mouse appears to be both usb and ps2 - which way have you got it connected? Is the adapter usb to ps2 or ps2 to usb, have you tried it without the adapter? Have you tried it running as a straight ps2 mouse (using only the windows drivers)? Have you tried a basic mouse - having removed the beetle mouse software?

And the thing that worries me - a celeron 667 running at 1 gig on a jetway board?????

How much ram?

Well it's just a USB, no other plugs on it and it didnt come with an adaptor. I've used both standard windows drivers (HID-compliant mouse, it's called) and the beetle drivers (you sound like you know a bit about these, mate) -- in fact I only tried the beetle drivers after the problem cropped up.

Ah, my celery? Ram? 196mb. Worries you? Dunno why, champ.
January 29th, 2003, 06:52 AM
NooNoo

I'm not one for overclocking, I figure if you want a faster processor then go buy one... but I do know that if you over clock the proc, more often than not you overclock everything else... not everything can handle running at a higher speed.
January 29th, 2003, 06:56 AM
G Man

Quote:

Originally posted by NooNoo
I'm not one for overclocking, I figure if you want a faster processor then go buy one... but I do know that if you over clock the proc, more often than not you overclock everything else... not everything can handle running at a higher speed.

Good call champ. But as far as I know, I'm only overclocking the cpu.... the mobo isnt toooooooo bad. But anyway, whats wrong with my computer??? How do I make it load up normal again?
January 29th, 2003, 07:09 AM
G Man

Quote:

Originally posted by NooNoo
I'm not one for overclocking, I figure if you want a faster processor then go buy one... but I do know that if you over clock the proc, more often than not you overclock everything else... not everything can handle running at a higher speed.

Good call champ. But as far as I know, I'm only overclocking the cpu.... the mobo isnt toooooooo bad. But anyway, whats wrong with my computer??? How do I make it load up normal again?
January 30th, 2003, 01:21 AM
cookin chef

Try uninstalling these beetle drivers that you mentioned using.

See if there are any newer software updates for your beetle usb mouse.

Maybe downclock the cpu to normal and see what happens as well.

Overclocking can cause eventual failure if inadequate cooling and extra voltage are involved.
January 30th, 2003, 02:21 AM
G Man

Quote:

Originally posted by cookin chef
Try uninstalling these beetle drivers that you mentioned using.

See if there are any newer software updates for your beetle usb mouse.

Maybe downclock the cpu to normal and see what happens as well.

Overclocking can cause eventual failure if inadequate cooling and extra voltage are involved.

Done.
Done.
Done.
Adequate cooling and no extra voltage.

Come on Noo Noo, you know you can do it!
January 30th, 2003, 04:06 AM
NooNoo

What other usb devices do you have?
Have you installed the latest hyperion via drivers?
Have you checked whether the via usb patch would help ?(www.viaarena.com)
January 30th, 2003, 05:00 AM
G Man

Nice work with the ideas, Noo. Well.... didnt know they started callin em hyperion, but I'm downloading right now, and I'll give that usb patch a go as well, if I can find it...

My apologies, almost forgot... No, no other USB devices at all mate.
January 30th, 2003, 05:49 AM
NooNoo

That would point to usb problems.

Get another usb device and test it.

Is the mouse usb 2 capable and you have only usb 1.1?
February 3rd, 2003, 12:04 AM
Anewbe4u

If you Overclock your proc unless you have a pretty good MB chances are you will be overclocking all your pci and agp cards aswell. Newer cards will be fine but some of the older ones might give up eventually.

Thats quite an impressive overclock.
February 3rd, 2003, 03:14 AM
G Man

Quote:

Originally posted by NooNoo
That would point to usb problems.

Get another usb device and test it.

Is the mouse usb 2 capable and you have only usb 1.1?

I will do so, mate..... I dunno bout the mouse, Im pretty sure it's just usb 1 coz its probably not new enough to be 2. I may try swapping mice with my sister (hers is a beetle as well, but the 400dpi model [mines the 800dpi] and is ps/2). Then I will see if it takes ages to load...

Thanx Anewbe.... I've read about more impressive overclocks with a 667, for example 1.4Ghz but they require higher voltages and my board doesnt have support for that. Plus that scares me. I actually dont think I'm overclocking the PCI and AGP, I dont know why. My fsb is @ 100mhz when it should be at 66mhz but the way i figure it is similar P3 models were clocked at 100mhz anyway, so.... Nevermind, I'm happy, my cpu temp never goes above 10 degrees more than the outside temperature so shouldnt fry. :flame:
February 7th, 2003, 06:16 AM
G Man

Update: It's definetely not the mouse. Sorry for all the trouble you've all gone to (especially you, NooNoo!!!), but it must have been caused by me removing the old 44x cdrom and installing my new burner. Now.... any ideas?

btw I would be 100% understanding if you decided to now
a) remove me from the boards
b) never reply to one of my posts again
c) track me down and hurt me
February 7th, 2003, 10:36 AM
DonJ

Hey G Man, nobody is upset with you. We're just glad you posted the update. A lot of times, we never know if we actually helped anybody out or not. Plus, somebody else might learn something from your experience.

BTW, are you still having slow startlups with your new burner? If so, check to make sure everything shows up properly in your BIOS. Does everything work well once the system boots up?

Anyway, keep up the good work!
February 7th, 2003, 10:42 AM
NooNoo

Is dma enabled for the burner? Is the burner dma capable?
February 7th, 2003, 06:48 PM
ilovetheusers

I agree with Noo Noo, but just to be sure...

You do have the CD and HDD on different IDE channels right? Also, make sure that dma is turned on in the bios as well as in the OS.

Further, if you have both CD drives in - make sure the CD-R is set master and the other slave and/or try removing the old drive entirely.
February 8th, 2003, 02:49 AM
G Man

Thanks a lot you guys... for giving me a big head, I've done every single thing you've suggested and still nothin.... DMA is enabled, it's on the secondary ide (well, I do have a ATA100 hard drive) its the only cdrom, everything works out in the bios.... I spose the next troubleshooting option is to puck around with things, like unplugging the burner and see if it loads up quick, try changing it to slave.... and so on.

I'll do that next time my dial-up drops out and keep you posted. But I really think it's just one of those things windows does when you change devices, buggering round with the drivers and all. If worst comes to worst I'll ghost back my hard drive and have to reinstall everything!
February 8th, 2003, 05:30 AM
NooNoo

Most CDRoms and RW's cannot handle dma settings. The delay may well be the os trying to enable dma and finally giving up.
February 23rd, 2003, 08:27 PM
G Man

Update

Yes, thats right, I have fixed this problem now. No, I havent really discovered what the problem was, I just ghosted my c partition back and all was well. Well that proves one thing at least; it wasnt hardware! Must've been some dodgy software I installed.

Thanks to all who helped and NooNoo especially (for giving us all a laugh! ha!)