Dangerous Submersive Reporting For Lynching

Okay, I'm gonna save a bunch of you a lot of time by turning myself in and going quietly. That's right, I am a human being who is opposed to the war, and guilty of the additional crimes of being Canadian and even worse--I can speak some French. I don't like George Bush, don't believe he was ever elected, and am very critical of the war in general, so let the condemning begin. I honestly believe he is doing it for oil and not for any other reason. I must be paranoid! I have a "leftist" viewpoint, so I must be a whiner too. I confess to whistleblowing uncomfortable things to the right such as North Korea, that you would rather keep swept under the rug. I must therefore be a danger to society, not unlike a terrorist. Speaking of terrorists, I still don't see a connection between them and Iraq--so I guess I must be an idiot too.

In summary, I am not cooperating with the powers that be, so I realize I have no human rights left and need to be dealt with immediately.

I realize that hoping no Americans die in combat doesn't excuse me from my sins. I know that the issue has to be 100% black and white and that I must be Saddam's butt buddy, and that anything that I do say against Iraq or in support of the US troops must be discounted because of my criminal mindset.

I'm standing up right here and identifying myself publicly so that all of you know to ridicule me, accuse me of treason, socialism, communism, Iraqism, neo-cubism, organism, prism, and any other -isms you feel appropriate. Bring on the dunking chair!

I know I shall be studied in labs to determine the cause of my stupidity, lobotomized to protect the free world from my dangerous opinions, demonized for daring to speak out against the war machine, and languish in a dungeon somewhere for all eternity alongside Jimmy Hoffa for my views.

So there you go. I've turned myself in. So now those of you who consider me your enemy now no longer have to play games, you can just hate me openly from here on in.

More proof that the communist hordes are growing in number.

In the immortal last words my grandpappy ever heard, "Get a rope!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Oh and by the way, i just really don't care anymore.

So.....:bor: :bor: :bor: :bor: :bor: :bor: :bor: :bor:

amen brother

Well that certainly was a bit unexpected & out of nowhere. :eek2:

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Originally posted by Wayward Clam

So there you go. I've turned myself in. So now those of you who consider me your enemy now no longer have to play games, you can just hate me openly from here on in.

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Fair enough. That was very humorous, thank you for your empty yet entertaining view point. It reminds me of Howard Stern, and his useless antics, but I did enjoy it.

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Originally posted by Ya_know
Fair enough. That was very humorous, thank you for your empty yet entertaining view point. It reminds me of Howard Stern, and his useless antics, but I did enjoy it.

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Okay, NOW you've messed with my head. You're comparing ME to Howard Stern??????

You mean you don't have a horsetoothed monkey boy that kisses your but and calls you "Boff" all the time?

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Originally posted by meatwad
You mean you don't have a horsetoothed monkey boy that kisses your but and calls you "Boff" all the time?

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I don't think Cleetus counts... :D :D :D

I can't fault you WC.

I said in the Dennis Miller post. I see a lot of the same inconsistency in policy.

I don't get it either. You shouldn't get lynched though mate.


...And... You were asked in the post linked above to give your point of view so I think you were right to start a new thread and not to drag the old one off topic.

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Originally posted by Wayward Clam
Okay, NOW you've messed with my head. You're comparing ME to Howard Stern??????

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Ok, it is a bit hard to visualize, and I admit that arguably I could be proven wrong. Basically, I always though Howard made no sense at all, even when his topics were relevant to a current event. But most of his topics are about dis’in women and masturbation, so in that way you are right, the comparison is more than just weak, it’s none existent.

My statement was more of a generalization in that, you said something meaningful to you, but I just didn’t get any of it. Perhaps you could break down the argument into chunks, and we could discuss it…

i think Ya_Know got out the wrong side of the bed today.

Edited by NooNoo: Personal Attack removed.

Cheez, he said discuss... as in an exchange of views, read and you may learn something about debates and the subject matter.

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Originally posted by Chëëzmønkëy
i think Ya_Know got out the wrong side of the bed today.

Edited by NooNoo: Personal Attack removed.

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I post like this all of the time. Oh, and I saw the remark before NooNoo edited it. I didn't think it was a personal attack, but oh well. Anyway, thanks for the observation...

Clammy's not the only one who's against this war.

This war stinks for one reason alone: The CIA helped put Saddam Hussein in power. http://www.casi.org.uk/discuss/2000/msg01267.html

Now the USA wants the whole world to go into Iraq and clean up it's 40 year old mess?

No thanks.

Would the "war" have been ok if we had just dropped a bunch of my kinfolk in there and told them it was huntin season?

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Originally posted by Wayward Clam
--so I guess I must be an idiot too.

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That's all I need to see.


ya got balls, boy!


but yes. I completely disagree with every stupid off the wall little wannabe comment you made.


:knife:

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Originally posted by MacGyver

Now the USA wants the whole world to go into Iraq and clean up it's 40 year old mess?

No thanks.

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That argument is about ancient history. 40 years ago…you realize that was over 8 executive cabinets ago? The cold war was at its peak, and the CIA ran the country. Things aren’t like that anymore, (so I hope anyway). This isn’t about cleaning up just our mess; the French perpetuated the problem by selling weapons to Iraq after the Gulf War to liberate Kuwait. The French government should take a personal stake in disarming Saddam, as is the US for their 40 year mistake…If Canada doesn’t want to join in, that is just fine…

Awww...Clam I would never support the lynching of you! And I will defend your right to say what you want to! So how about a little tar & feathering ;) :D

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Originally posted by Cleetus
Would the "war" have been ok if we had just dropped a bunch of my kinfolk in there and told them it was huntin season?

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LMFAO!! Leave it to Cleetus to bring some humor...;) :D

Hmm. Sounds like the last sarcastic cry of an elitist. "None of you are smart enough to understand why your wrong and why I'm right so now I guess I'll play the martyr."

Bring on the Tar :D

Found this great quote.

The most fundamental fact about the ideas of the political left is that they do not work. Therefore we should not be surprised to find the left concentrated in institutions where ideas do not have to work in order to survive.
-- Thomas Sowell

Ok Clammy, there is just 1 thing I dont agree with in all your statement here.

Shoudnt that title be "subVersive" and not "SubMersive" ???

:D

Other than that, what you said....

Why lynch you when we can just shuck you?:confused:

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Originally posted by Drone2903
:D

Other than that, what you said....

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But he has yet to make a point...you wish to second his notion to babble nonsense?

Hey Wayward..I can understand the neocubism..as long as you don't agree with post-modern deconstructionism

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Originally posted by Ya_know
But he has yet to make a point...you wish to second his notion to babble nonsense?

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The point is, and I quote as written:

That's right, I am a human being who is opposed to the war

Simply becacse civilians allways end up paying the price, and I do believe there is other alternatives.

Were suppose to be in 2003 AD, not BC.

Or are we still there............

Please, ohhhhh we are suppossed to be soooo civilized now. What a crock????

Ever watch a couple of moms fight over that last Cleetus doll at x-mas, ever watch parents at their kids anything, ever watch two dudes fight over a chick, ever watch any chick when a hotter chick walks into a room, ever watch two dogs doing it, ever get pissed when someone doesn't signal before a turn.

We have always been and always been animals, we have instinct, and the use of violence in order to protect ourselves and our "group" will always be with us. It is in our genes.

And you ever notice that there are more non-American's complaigning about the Bush election than actual Americans? What do they care, it isn't there country?

AND, if we had dropped in 2000 bubbas into Iraq and told them that there was no bag limit and they had a never ending supply of moonshine and chew, this whole thing would be done and over. Ever notice no one will attack America and send real troops???? Bubba factor baby, bubba factor!!!!!!

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Originally posted by Drone2903
The point is, and I quote as written:

That's right, I am a human being who is opposed to the war

Simply becacse civilians allways end up paying the price, and I do believe there is other alternatives.

Were suppose to be in 2003 AD, not BC.

Or are we still there............

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To oppose war in general is my belief, as well as the belief of probably well over 95% of the world population. But let’s be realistic, you can't stop all war without removing tyranny from power first. Next, you must rebuild governments with the idea that all are created equal. However, because of deeply held religious and cultural convictions this can’t easily be attained within one country, let alone several neighboring counties; an example is the Israelis and Palestinians feuding over the same land, each deeming it their own holly land. How many hundreds of years will that feud continue, and just who is even right?

Until we can all live under the same roof, with the same or similar beliefs, and can trust one and other completely, war will always be a part of our simple-minded culture. You can oppose it all that you want, but your voice will not be heard by those that can make the difference, because right now there are leaders in the world that can’t be fully trusted with the well being of the rest of the world at stake…Sometimes you have to sacrifice for your freedoms…

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Originally posted by Cleetus
Please, ohhhhh we are suppossed to be soooo civilized now. What a crock????

Ever watch a couple of moms fight over that last Cleetus doll at x-mas, ever watch parents at their kids anything, ever watch two dudes fight over a chick, ever watch any chick when a hotter chick walks into a room, ever watch two dogs doing it, ever get pissed when someone doesn't signal before a turn.

We have always been and always been animals, we have instinct, and the use of violence in order to protect ourselves and our "group" will always be with us. It is in our genes.


AND, if we had dropped in 2000 bubbas into Iraq and told them that there was no bag limit and they had a never ending supply of moonshine and chew, this whole thing would be done and over. Ever notice no one will attack America and send real troops???? Bubba factor baby, bubba factor!!!!!!

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Oh yeah... yure right, I know, I've been to the US quite a few times. Even been to NJ.....

I was refering to the rest of the planet who may not quite share these views...

;)

Personally, I think this entire topic is beyond being "pro" or "anti" anything or other.

In general, human beings of all races, philosophical and polital ideals included would choose peace over war any time.

It would be very disturbing to me to find out someone actually wanted for any war to occur.

Having said that, I understand all the various reasons (political, economical, strategic) why the coalition is doing this. We live in a world now where waiting to be struck first before acting means you've probably already lost the conflict.

I also understand that the coalition is making impressive attempts at minimizing civilian casualties and I'm all for that. Wars always make victims. The US-led coalition invested a lot of time, planning and effort in making sure that their strikes were efficient and that civilian areas were not unduly targetted.

And I further understand that the flow of fanatical terrorism financed by regimes like Iraq's cannot be ignored just because it's happening elsewhere and that North America is just now having a taste of it.

But I know that I appreciate living in a country living under the protective umbrella of the US. When (not if) the time comes, I know the US will be there to honor its alliance with Canada, although I'm less than certain that the opposite could be true now.

It's a bad situation, whatever origin or reasons it had, but it could be worse. Don't forget the ultimate goal of Islam: world domination. The word itself means "submission". Maybe our viewpoint would be different if we lived in Iraq instead of North America.

I'm not saying this war is a good thing.

But I strongly believe it's the best way to handle this threat at this time.

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Originally posted by Ya_know
...Until we can all live under the same roof, with the same or similar beliefs, and can trust one and other completely, war will always be a part of our simple-minded culture...

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If you don't mind, I'll state that this is impossible, and that in any case, beliefs don't account for the worst torture and bloodshed inflicted on other humans yet - absence of beliefs does (Hitler, Lenin, et al.).

My brother was discussing this with me recently and, although he's peace-minded, had to agree with the following concept:

How can we preach peace for the Middle-East when we're more than ready to take our neighbour to court if his dog poops on our lawn?

There's something in man that goes deeper than beliefs or philosophies which makes him hate.

And that may very well be why we hate war so much.

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Originally posted by Ya_know
To oppose war in general is my belief, as well as the belief of probably well over 95% of the world population. But let’s be realistic, you can't stop all war without removing tyranny from power first. Next, you must rebuild governments with the idea that all are created equal. However, because of deeply held religious and cultural convictions this can’t easily be attained within one country, let alone several neighboring counties; an example is the Israelis and Palestinians feuding over the same land, each deeming it their own holly land. How many hundreds of years will that feud continue, and just who is even right?

Until we can all live under the same roof, with the same or similar beliefs, and can trust one and other completely, war will always be a part of our simple-minded culture. You can oppose it all that you want, but your voice will not be heard by those that can make the difference, because right now there are leaders in the world that can’t be fully trusted with the well being of the rest of the world at stake…Sometimes you have to sacrifice for your freedoms…

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Ok lets take that 1 at the time:

1- But let’s be realistic, you can't stop all war without removing tyranny from power first.

In this case (IRAK) the US invaded on the pretention Sadam was helping El-Quaida ( no real proof of that was ever submitted) AND he had WMD, including chems and nukes.
So far, I think the 101AB has found a can of Raid, but no nukes.

Grant you, Sadam is a nutcase.

2- Next, you must rebuild governments with the idea that all are created equal.

Why ? Youre saying you have to impose your own values on a culturally, legally and spiritually different civilisation, wheter they want it or not ?

BTW, that is EXACTLY what the US was saying AGAINST the now deceased USSR.

3- However, because of deeply held religious and cultural convictions this can’t easily be attained within one country, let alone several neighboring counties; an example is the Israelis and Palestinians feuding over the same land, each deeming it their own holly land. How many hundreds of years will that feud continue, and just who is even right?

They have been at war (one sort or the other) for more than 6000 years. The real problems started after 1945 when the UN (under pressure from the US) created the state of Israel.
As to who is right, does it really matter ?
When a mortar pierce trough you roof and explode on your baby's crib, do you really want to know why and how it started ? - Either you go for revenge (killing somebody else baby) or you start looking for peace. Problem is a lot of people want revenge before the peace, so....


4- Until we can all live under the same roof, with the same or similar beliefs, and can trust one and other completely, war will always be a part of our simple-minded culture.

So there is only 1 way, 1 god, 1 culture. let me guess: US

5- [B]You can oppose it all that you want, but your voice will not be heard by those that can make the difference, because right now there are leaders in the world that can’t be fully trusted with the well being of the rest of the world at stake/B]

If you really believe that, I suggest you read back your constitution.

6- Sometimes you have to sacrifice for your freedoms…

Yep.

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Originally posted by Drone2903

So there is only 1 way, 1 god, 1 culture. let me guess: US

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Now you are learnin' boy o

As far as the WMDs go, the burden of proof was on Iraq, not the UN or US.

In this case (IRAK) the US invaded on the pretention Sadam was helping El-Quaida ( no real proof of that was ever submitted) AND he had WMD, including chems and nukes.
So far, I think the 101AB has found a can of Raid, but no nukes.

I heard on the radio that the marines over ran a terrorist training camp where they found an aircraft fuselage and training manuals on how to use short bladed weapons (box cutters). They have found ricin and botulism bacteria. They may have found nerve gas and mustard gas this morning (maybe not).


Why ? Youre saying you have to impose your own values on a culturally, legally and spiritually different civilisation, wheter they want it or not ?

BTW, that is EXACTLY what the US was saying AGAINST the now deceased USSR.

Call me crazy but are you arguing that we are imposing free will through democracy? I'm sorry, what??



They have been at war (one sort or the other) for more than 6000 years. The real problems started after 1945 when the UN (under pressure from the US) created the state of Israel.
As to who is right, does it really matter ?
When a mortar pierce trough you roof and explode on your baby's crib, do you really want to know why and how it started ? - Either you go for revenge (killing somebody else baby) or you start looking for peace. Problem is a lot of people want revenge before the peace, so....

Of course it's obviously the jews. They have a great conspiracy brewing with the gays to take over the world you know... :rolleyes:

Perhaps you have forgotten that no one else wants the palestinians, they were never a groups from a soverign country, the Israelis actually fought for their territory that was promised them by the british, they keep the "holy land" open to all religions which their neighbors would NEVER have done, they were attacked by their neighboring countries several times, oh, and they have human bombs exploding and terrorists killing their people a hell of a lot more that then harm others and jesus and mohammed only lived less than 2000 years ago.



I agree with you on the rest of the stuff you said. ;)

'I agree with the "yep" only if you're being sarcastic.

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Originally posted by a d e p t
Personally, I think this entire topic is beyond being "pro" or "anti" anything or other.

In general, human beings of all races, philosophical and polital ideals included would choose peace over war any time.

It would be very disturbing to me to find out someone actually wanted for any war to occur.

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What about the Klingons?

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Originally posted by Wayward Clam
Okay, I'm gonna save a bunch of you a lot of time by turning myself in and going quietly. That's right, I am a human being who is opposed to the war, and guilty of the additional crimes of being Canadian and even worse--I can speak some French. I don't like George Bush, don't believe he was ever elected, and am very critical of the war in general, so let the condemning begin. I honestly believe he is doing it for oil and not for any other reason. I must be paranoid! I have a "leftist" viewpoint, so I must be a whiner too. I confess to whistleblowing uncomfortable things to the right such as North Korea, that you would rather keep swept under the rug. I must therefore be a danger to society, not unlike a terrorist. Speaking of terrorists, I still don't see a connection between them and Iraq--so I guess I must be an idiot too.

In summary, I am not cooperating with the powers that be, so I realize I have no human rights left and need to be dealt with immediately.

I realize that hoping no Americans die in combat doesn't excuse me from my sins. I know that the issue has to be 100% black and white and that I must be Saddam's butt buddy, and that anything that I do say against Iraq or in support of the US troops must be discounted because of my criminal mindset.

I'm standing up right here and identifying myself publicly so that all of you know to ridicule me, accuse me of treason, socialism, communism, Iraqism, neo-cubism, organism, prism, and any other -isms you feel appropriate. Bring on the dunking chair!

I know I shall be studied in labs to determine the cause of my stupidity, lobotomized to protect the free world from my dangerous opinions, demonized for daring to speak out against the war machine, and languish in a dungeon somewhere for all eternity alongside Jimmy Hoffa for my views.

So there you go. I've turned myself in. So now those of you who consider me your enemy now no longer have to play games, you can just hate me openly from here on in.

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What are you on about?

Here's a big cross for you to nail yourself to whenever you feel oppressed on the internet:
http://www.clarechampion.ie/02/apr/cc20020405/pic2.jpg

It's really hard to get the last nail in...


:D :D :D :D :D <===LOOK - SMILEYS. Just makin a joke here.

Really, what are you on about, did I miss something?

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Originally posted by silencio
What about the Klingons?

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I think it's those head ridges that warp their peaceful, botanically inclined nature. :D

Hey - here's a neet question. If starfleet had to fight a war against the klingons, would people protest that?

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Originally posted by MacGyver
Clammy's not the only one who's against this war.

This war stinks for one reason alone: The CIA helped put Saddam Hussein in power. http://www.casi.org.uk/discuss/2000/msg01267.html

Now the USA wants the whole world to go into Iraq and clean up it's 40 year old mess?

No thanks.

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There was this little thing that happened since then called the END OF THE COLD WAR.

Saddam was supported by the US because the USSR had a toehold in Iran and Egypt. He was supported prevent communism from encircling Israel and getting the upper hand.

Saddam was not the only cruel dictator we supported in order to prevent a M.A.D. nuclear war.

Now that the Soviet threat is no longer aimed directly at the US, the time has come to clean up the ilk we were forced to support during the Cold War.