Remote Desktop Problem

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July 25th, 2003, 10:58 AM
scott

Remote Desktop Problem

Using Magic Remote Desktop 32 3.0 by Network Associates.
On a client machine that is being remote-controlled and OS is Windows XP Pro, if the user is at the login screen all you get on the other end is a black screen if you are remote controlling them. This is starting to get annoying as someone usually has to go to the location. Once the user's desktop loads you can remote controll them without a problem.
This happens on every machine with Windows XP Pro.
Is this just a security feature of Windows XP?
Any ideas?
Thanks
July 25th, 2003, 11:45 AM
Matridom

Re: Remote Desktop Problem

Quote:

Originally posted by scott
Using Magic Remote Desktop 32 3.0 by Network Associates.
On a client machine that is being remote-controlled and OS is Windows XP Pro, if the user is at the login screen all you get on the other end is a black screen if you are remote controlling them. This is starting to get annoying as someone usually has to go to the location. Once the user's desktop loads you can remote controll them without a problem.
This happens on every machine with Windows XP Pro.
Is this just a security feature of Windows XP?
Any ideas?
Thanks

why not use the built in remote desktop that XP supports?
July 25th, 2003, 11:48 AM
ilovetheusers

I'm honestly not sure but it sure sounds like it. It sounds like the app initializes but is not fully loaded until the user logs on. Look and see if the app is loaded if a new user logs on - it may have been installed for that 1 user and the machine will not run it until they log on. Just guessing though.

I have an FYI. XP Pro comes with a "remote desktop" tool that works well and is free and allows others to remote into the machine to work on it.
July 25th, 2003, 12:47 PM
scott

Here we have remote desktop 32 on all the clients. On the NT boxes it works fine with no flaws. I already use the XP built in Remote Desktop Tool to remote control some devices, should have posted that in previous post. My supervisor just wanted me to research to see if it was a problem with our remote desktop software or something to do with Windows XP. They would rather just use one remote desktop tool for everything. I'll probably be emailing their tech support later.
Thanks for the ideas.
July 25th, 2003, 02:56 PM
silencio

I wouldn't use the built in remote desktop of XP. It's nice if you're a single user accessing your machine from multiple sites or, if you need to remotely administer servers or workstations and need NO user input but, if your working helpdesk and your customer to both see what your doing and contribute to your session (enter data, credentials, etc or just move the mouse) then XP remote client isn't for you. You can't shadow an XP session.
July 25th, 2003, 03:08 PM
Matridom

remote desktop allows for interaction and/or just watching. I've used the "take over" feature on numerous occasions trying to help people out.
July 25th, 2003, 03:13 PM
Necrometal

Matridom is right, it does support shadowing..just in another form.

The host PC can request a connection to the connecting PC and it allows both users to see the same thing, and either one can manipulate the machine at the same time.

Its a built in feature of remote desktop...they just dont call it that and it uses a different shortcut. Score one for Bill making things easier. :rolleyes:
July 25th, 2003, 03:15 PM
silencio

Quote:

Originally posted by Matridom
remote desktop allows for interaction and/or just watching. I've used the "take over" feature on numerous occasions trying to help people out.

Not in XP.
July 25th, 2003, 03:26 PM
DocPC

Yup, in XP.....I do it here all the time.....
July 25th, 2003, 03:54 PM
silencio

Quote:

Originally posted by DocPC
Yup, in XP.....I do it here all the time.....

Your right. It's called remote assistance and not remote desktop but it's almost the same thing and it's probably a perfect fit for remote administration. ..and it's free... if you can really call anything free in a $120 OS.
July 25th, 2003, 05:35 PM
Matridom

Quote:

Originally posted by silencio
Your right. It's called remote assistance and not remote desktop but it's almost the same thing and it's probably a perfect fit for remote administration. ..and it's free... if you can really call anything free in a $120 OS.

Remote assitance, remote desktop.. it's all part of the same thing.

Terminal Server.

All the configurations for it are in the RDP protocol.. even the remote control, and they have many options.. you can see as such here..

https://forums.windrivers.com/

XP is the first OS that supports this as a desktop client, all server OS's (going back to nt4.0 and beyond) have had terminal server included, and the "remote desktop" is simply Terminal Server running in remote Administrative mode.
July 25th, 2003, 06:36 PM
ilovetheusers

Quote:

Originally posted by scott
Here we have remote desktop 32 on all the clients. On the NT boxes it works fine with no flaws. I already use the XP built in Remote Desktop Tool to remote control some devices, should have posted that in previous post. My supervisor just wanted me to research to see if it was a problem with our remote desktop software or something to do with Windows XP. They would rather just use one remote desktop tool for everything. I'll probably be emailing their tech support later.
Thanks for the ideas.

Back to your issue...

Don't forget to make sure the built in firewall is turned off. Check the video card drivers and try updating one machine and see if that helps.
July 25th, 2003, 06:43 PM
silencio

Quote:

Originally posted by Matridom
Remote assitance, remote desktop.. it's all part of the same thing.

Terminal Server.

All the configurations for it are in the RDP protocol.. even the remote control, and they have many options.. you can see as such here..

http://matridom.dyndns.org:8888/images/terminal.jpg

XP is the first OS that supports this as a desktop client, all server OS's (going back to nt4.0 and beyond) have had terminal server included, and the "remote desktop" is simply Terminal Server running in remote Administrative mode.

I see what you mean but I don't have a terminal services snapin available on my xp machine. :confused:
July 25th, 2003, 07:37 PM
Matridom

Quote:

Originally posted by silencio
I see what you mean but I don't have a terminal services snapin available on my xp machine. :confused:

No, they hide that well. That screen shot was from windows 2003, wich i might add calls it the same thing. Even in 2k3, i had to really dig to find the shortcuts for the old MSC's that i'm accustomed to from before.

However, if you take the terminal services client from 2k3 or 2k server, and use it, you can easily connect to an xp box running remote desktop. You can see this here..

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserv...s/default.mspx

Go to downloads..

Quote:

Remote Desktop Connection for Windows Server 2003 Software Download

This software package will install the client portion of Remote Desktop on a computer running any of the following operating systems: Windows 95, Windows 98 and 98 Second Edition, Windows Me, Windows NT® 4.0, Windows 2000 or Windows XP. This software allows other Windows platforms to remotely connect to a computer running Windows XP Professional or Windows Server 2003.

Notice how all the remote desktop stuff is located in the terminal server section of the microsoft page. Also note that they state XP and 2k3, but you can also use this to connect to any 2k server that is running terminal services.
July 27th, 2003, 07:40 PM
techmonkey13

I would suggest using the Remote administrator tool in XP. It comes in handy. Plus it is free

http://www.techmonkeyuniverse.com/tips/tip004.htm
July 27th, 2003, 08:05 PM
silencio

Quote:

Originally posted by techmonkey13
I would suggest using the Remote administrator tool in XP. It comes in handy. Plus it is free

http://www.techmonkeyuniverse.com/tips/tip004.htm

Well, the techmonkeys site appears to be unresponsive. I guess I'll stick with the cheesemonkeys.... they have free hot garlic wings and pitchers...
July 28th, 2003, 04:03 AM
NooNoo

Interesting... techmonkey13 seems to be building his tips based on the knowledge provided in this thread.

The very least he could do is credit the knowledge he gained from here....