fs_rec.sys and BSODs

I'm having some probs with BSODs related to fs_rec.sys. I know this is something to do with the file system so I haven't tampered too much. Occasionally I get BSODs at start up before the logon screen and I always get them after running chkdsk /f. Needless to say, chkdsk doesn't fix anything either. I have tried running Norton Disk Doctor but I can't get it to fix anything in XP's GUI as it says the drive is being hogged by something...presumably XP. Scheduling that doesn't work either. I have tried replacing the file but that didn't help so it wasn't corrupt.

Here's the tech info from the error report:

STOP: 0x0000007E (0xC0000005, 0xF8AA851D, 0xF8A35C34, 0xF8A35934)

Fs_Rec.sys - Address F8AA851D base at F8AA8000, Datestamp 3b7d8361

.Here is the site referring to the STOP code

My specs:

Athlon XP2000, Gigabyte 7VRXP M/B, 512Mb PC333, Western Digital 80Gb + 120Gb(SE) HDDs, Leadtek A250 Graphics, SB Audigy, Diamond V92 modem, Lite-On DVD-ROM & CD-RW, MSI Bluetooth Dongle, PS/2 mouse + keyboard.

The drivers haven't been updated in about 2 months. The only updates have been to XP. I am looking for solutions that preferably involve not reinstalling everything as I don't have time for that. Any help would be most appreciated.

You can't use chkdsk in xp like you could in 9x ...

What you need to do is right click whichever drive, properties tools, error checking & then tick both boxes (this'll schedule chkdsk to run at startup - the only time it can correct file system errors & remap bad sectors - it needs to be not using it, chkdsk will run & windows will restart again)

As far as not updating any drivers I'd ssuggest you at least get the VIA chipset patchess (hyperions) as these will have an effect on your file system for sure ... on which subject is this a FAT or NTFS drive ?

So my advice, update at least your chipset drivers (they'll have 'newer' ide so harddisk drivers) & use the windows option to schedule chkdsk, don't try & run it from command prompt (any write behind behaviour windows might have defined for your disk will prevent it running 'correctly' otherwise) .... Give that a try.

They are both NTFS formatted. Will give what you suggested a whirl and I'll report back later.

I have tried what you suggested and it kicked up the same error report. Any other ideas?

Anyone know how to run Norton Disk Doctor in XP so it'll fix stuff? Says it needs scheduled but it never runs on restart.

Running Nero and/or Incd? I suggest you download the latest version from www.nero.com.

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Originally posted by NooNoo
Running Nero and/or Incd? I suggest you download the latest version from www.nero.com.

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Now there's a possibility ... fs_rec.sys has something to do with cdfs not either FAT or NTFS when I engage brain ....

So either as Noo suggests or try running SFC (System file checker -if you know how in xp) & see if that file is either corrupted or overwritten by another application (I think that's Noo's thinking ...).

Ran sfc, it completed and nothing popped up on the screen so I presume that's a good thing (either that or it's just another example of programs not telling you what's happening). As far as nero goes, that will take a while to get over dialup so unless I get a good connection today, I'll task my brother with getting it through his uni network. Cheers so far.

After 6hrs downloading, I got Nero, updated it and there's no probs any more...or at least CHKDSK doesnt throw out an error report. Does anyone know how to run Norton Disk Doctor outwith XP as there are still errors appearing with that? Thanks NooNoo & Confus-ed.

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Originally posted by ringo2143z
... Does anyone know how to run Norton Disk Doctor outwith XP as there are still errors appearing with that?...

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Go on then ... what are the "errors" first ?

DO you mean you want to run it from command prompt, its a windoze program so there isn't a way to run it 'outwith XP' as it depends on windows components to produce its results ... I'm not a fan though, the very latest version seems 'better' (but its still a big fat resource hog & doesn't always want to 'get on' with many applications I like to install, its tricky to configure 'correctly' too if you've 'tampered' in any way shape or form with XPs default serverices) ... Is this Home or Pro btw ?

Do I detect an air of sarcasm there!?!?!

It's XP Home. The latest version of Systemworks has worked ok for me. I generally only use it for fixing registry errors though. The bit from the scan report is below.

[CENTER]SECURITY DESCRIPTORS STATUS
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The 'Fix errors' checkbox was not checked.
Corrective actions indicated below were
not written to the disk.

Correcting errors in the master file table's (MFT) BITMAP attribute.

Norton Disk Doctor found problems with the file system.
Run Norton Disk Doctor and check the Fix Errors option.

Haven't a clue what this means and if it's worth fixing. There is a way of running systemworks on boot by using the CD but I can't for the life of me find it [the CD]. Symantec's website suggests there's a util on their ftp site for doing it but I can't find that either.

If you don't use Norton, what do you use for sorting registry errors and disk errors? I'm not someone who agrees with regular reinstalls of everything...waste of my time.

No, you just detect Confus-ed :D

As for registry errors - I fix them by hand and disk errors chkdsk and the diagnostics from the manufacturer are my friend.

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Originally Posted by NooNoo

No, you just detect Confus-ed :D

As for registry errors - I fix them by hand and disk errors chkdsk and the diagnostics from the manufacturer are my friend.

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Come on now NooNoo.
I can walk into a new customer location and have Norton WinDoctor find over 200 registry "errors".
"Norton WinDoctor is the safe and easy way to diagnose and repair the most common types of Windows problems. It checks all the information necessary for Windows to run properly. Plus it checks for components needed by programs that run under Windows."

Of course these are minor errors which should really be called a cleaning of the registry. But geez, to do this by hand, looking through thousands of lines of text would take forever.
So what do you mean by you fix them by hand?

Also, with XP and 2K, stick with chkdsk but check both options:
Automatically fix file system errors.
scan for and attempt recovery of bad sectors.
Norton Disk Doctor was good with Win9x/me but chkdsk now does the job.

What do you call errors?

If you mean blind keys because uninstallers don't work properly, that's something entirely different, that is housekeeping. When uninstalling a program you can do one of two things, leave them, or search the registry for the name of the application.

If I have an unknown machine I use Regcleaner (which is not regclean btw) This shows you the blind alleys. It does not blindly clean up your registry and then you find some apps don't work quite right.


Norton is fine for the consumer, for the troubleshooter it is a nightmare.

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Originally Posted by NooNoo

What do you call errors?

If you mean blind keys because uninstallers don't work properly, that's something entirely different, that is housekeeping. When uninstalling a program you can do one of two things, leave them, or search the registry for the name of the application.

If I have an unknown machine I use Regcleaner (which is not regclean btw) This shows you the blind alleys. It does not blindly clean up your registry and then you find some apps don't work quite right.


Norton is fine for the consumer, for the troubleshooter it is a nightmare.

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That is exactly what I said:
"Of course these are minor errors which should really be called a cleaning of the registry"
So is Regclean your "manual" fix?
"So what do you mean by you fix them by hand" :confused:

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Originally Posted by TripleRLtd

That is exactly what I said:
"Of course these are minor errors which should really be called a cleaning of the registry"
So is Regclean your "manual" fix?
"So what do you mean by you fix them by hand" :confused:

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I mean exactly that, if there is sympton of a bad key, I go find it. If I get hardware problems I go into the enum section and remove the key and reinstall the device. Things like creative drivers are a pain, because they quite often screw up and you end up pulling them out of the reg.

Unregister or re registers dlls as appropriate. What I don't do with a computer that I don't know the history of is put an app on it that has a mind of its own.

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Originally Posted by NooNoo

I mean exactly that, if there is sympton of a bad key, I go find it. If I get hardware problems I go into the enum section and remove the key and reinstall the device. Things like creative drivers are a pain, because they quite often screw up and you end up pulling them out of the reg.

Unregister or re registers dlls as appropriate. What I don't do with a computer that I don't know the history of is put an app on it that has a mind of its own.

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I agree, ATI drivers can be a pain, too.
When I upgrade a PC with new hardware, new OS, but same hard drive (ghosted to a new drive), I do what you do and it takes a long time.
This needs to be done for many of business customer who don't want to save all data and reinstall EVERYthing.
But: "if there is sympton of a bad key, I go find it."
What do you mean?
OS symtoms which may point to bad keys?
Norton WinDoctor is just that, part of the housecleaning, not a runaway app.
And, it runs off the CD, not installed.
System Mechanic and SystemSuite all have the same utilities which I use as well.
Getting back to what Ringo originally asked, he was wondering what you use to "sort registry errors" as it applied to WinDoctor.
To do what WinDoctor does manually would take much too long.
This is why I questioned your "by hand" comment.

Have you really had problems with WinDoctor?
I never have.

I don't use it. I have never needed to. It doesnt take very long to sort them out yourself.

OS symptons such as autoplay not working, or killing hijackers, or messed up file associations, startup stuff you don't want, tons of little things that take a few seconds to clear.

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Originally Posted by NooNoo

I don't use it. I have never needed to. It doesnt take very long to sort them out yourself.

OS symptons such as autoplay not working, or killing hijackers, or messed up file associations, startup stuff you don't want, tons of little things that take a few seconds to clear.

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But RegClean's Registry Cleaner is exactly what WinDoctor does!!
I just downloaded it and will give it a go since it has many other useful tools.
Cool :thumbs:
That one goes in my toolbox as well.
These are the "powertoys" (sic) which help us day in and day out to cut a little time off our jobs.
I gather we can agree on that? ;)

We were arguing? You were insisting that I tell you my practices... which I did.

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Originally Posted by NooNoo

We were arguing? You were insisting that I tell you my practices... which I did.

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Whatever.

Oh my........

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Originally Posted by DocPC

Oh my........

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Indeedy doody ! .... (who changed this flipping bulletin board then ? Scott ... where's the rolleyes 'smiley' gone ?) :rolleyes:

Errr ummm this all started when I was apparentently 'sarcastic' about norton disk doctor ! .... I am 'iffy' about it as it says things are 'wrong' which aren't ! NOT my favourite s/w by a long ways ... but people will insist on using it :p

So going back a page or so, with Noo's & TripleRLtd's kind permission, let's see if we can make some progress ...

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SECURITY DESCRIPTORS STATUS
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The 'Fix errors' checkbox was not checked.
Corrective actions indicated below were
not written to the disk.

Correcting errors in the master file table's (MFT) BITMAP attribute.

Norton Disk Doctor found problems with the file system.
Run Norton Disk Doctor and check the Fix Errors option.

Haven't a clue what this means and if it's worth fixing....

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So the last sentance says it all !! (that is sarcastic !), but I dunno what it thinks is wrong either, perhaps if it actually "said" - things might be clearer ! (& that's sarcastic too !)

But how the hell is the master file table (MFT) a bitmap or have 'bitmap attriibute(s)'!?!?! ... now see what I mean about Norton disk doctor .... ?

The only answer to get a completely trouble free beast is to set it up yourself with 'known' applications (that behave) & take it from there ... recovering somebody else's 'mess' is (as appears here) often just so many shots in the dark ;)

What 'symptoms' other than the Norton 'errors' do we have, any ?

Seems my post has turned into a usual windrivers argument. Someone should open a sarcasm forum and let confus-ed be moderator :D. Never mind...good reading. As far as setting it up myself goes, that's what I've done. The thing's a home build and the software is selected for what I need for Uni and play.

I was as confused as you when I saw bitmap in relation to MFT, but then I don't believe everything that appears on the screen. As regards other symptoms I can't think of anything other than the very rare 0x000000A stop error. Not very concerned about that though at the moment.

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Originally Posted by ringo2143z

Seems my post has turned into a usual windrivers argument. Someone should open a sarcasm forum and let confus-ed be moderator :D....

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Again 'Indeedy doody' ! ... I'd be a 'natural' for that ;) ... :D but I deny 'knowledge' of this one ... seems Noo & TripleRLtd were managing just fine without me ! ... :eek2:

This is a VIA chipset ? ... so try the latest Hyperions ... I had a 'rash' of 'unexplained' stop errors, all of which seem to have vanished after new hyperions were installed ...

But this install 'is kind of fixed'- now ? So we can consider it 'fixed' ??? or not ?

Yeah it's a VIA chipset. Already done an update for that, in fact it's one of the first things you suggested in this post. I would say my PC was pretty much sorted for the moment tho...other than the strange disk doctor error (I'll ignore that though unless someone thinks of an explanation). I'll be back quick enough if there's more probs. Cheers guys

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Originally Posted by ringo2143z

Yeah it's a VIA chipset. Already done an update for that, in fact it's one of the first things you suggested in this post. I would say my PC was pretty much sorted for the moment tho...

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Did I ? There you go ! .... Confus-ed again ! ;) ... my point was that there's been a set released(very quickly after some others) which fixed up a load of 'strange' occurances, usually I only update Hyperions when 'broke', but in this case I've gone to the trouble of re-updating all machines with 4.48 to 4.49...

Anyway if its going 'well enough' ... I'll consider it 'case closed' ... :)

Not to start another argument, but on the subject of Registry Cleaning, I like to use "RegSeeker" It is Freeware, small enough to fit on a disk, and does not require installation. Works great at finding those old busted entries, but not a troubleshooting tools by any means. I especially find it useful when upgrading old 9x boxes to 2k or XP when the User insists we cannot re-install certain apps. Not as good a a clean load, but the next best thing.

Regseeker is available at http://www.webattack.com

Many useful Freeware and Shareware utils there.

TRMFP