Backup everything to tape drive

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September 11th, 2003, 12:20 AM
dirkpitt

Backup everything to tape drive

everytime i backup a server to a dds4 tape, i get a lot of files skipped:
how do i avoid these and backup everything entirely without the files being skipped? is this the norm?

thanks

Backup started on 9/11/2003 at 10:47 AM.
Warning: The file \compaq\survey\Survey.OUT in use - skipped.
Warning: The file \Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Microsoft\Network\Downloader\qmgr0.dat in use - skipped.
Warning: The file \Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Microsoft\Network\Downloader\qmgr1.dat in use - skipped.
Warning: The file \Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Microsoft\Windows NT\NTBackup\catalogs51FD001308.FDD in use - skipped.
Warning: The file \Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Microsoft\Windows NT\NTBackup\catalogs51SM001308.SM in use - skipped.
Warning: The file \Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Microsoft\Windows NT\NTBackup\catalogs51\QTC_TEMP.001 in use - skipped.
Warning: The file \Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Microsoft\Windows NT\NTBackup\catalogs51\QTC_TEMP.002 in use - skipped.
Warning: The file \Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Microsoft\Windows NT\NTBackup\catalogs51\QTC_TEMP.003 in use - skipped.
Warning: The file \Documents and Settings\Default User\Cookies\index.dat in use - skipped.
Warning: The file \Documents and Settings\Default User\Local Settings\History\History.IE5\index.dat in use - skipped.
Warning: The file \Documents and Settings\Default User\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\index.dat in use - skipped.
Warning: The file \WINNT\security\logs\scepol.log in use - skipped.
Warning: The file \WINNT\system32\Perflib_Perfdata_534.dat in use - skipped.
Warning: The file \WINNT\system32\Perflib_Perfdata_590.dat in use - skipped.
Warning: The file \WINNT\system32\Perflib_Perfdata_698.dat in use - skipped.
Warning: The file \WINNT\system32\dns\dns.log in use - skipped.
Warning: The file \WINNT\system32\ias\dnary.ldb in use - skipped.
Warning: The file \WINNT\system32\ias\ias.ldb in use - skipped.
Warning: The file \WINNT\system32\ias\ias.mdb in use - skipped.
Warning: The file \WINNT\Temp\JETF5B0.tmp in use - skipped.
Warning: The file \WINNT\Temp\JETFCF4.tmp in use - skipped.
Backup completed on 9/11/2003 at 10:56 AM.
September 11th, 2003, 12:52 AM
Gollo

What software are you using for backup? Also what brand is the tape drive? There might be a better utility other than the built in windows backup utility (it looks like that is what is running but I don't know so that's why I asked)
September 11th, 2003, 01:49 AM
Gabriel

If you want EVERYTHING - the only way (IMHO) is low level.
Ghost, DiskImage and Others will do the trick.
And yes Ghost do support most of the Tape Drives.

Just be sure that most of the files that I see on the list are unneeded.

Cheers,
Gabriel
September 11th, 2003, 02:28 AM
Gollo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gabriel

Just be sure that most of the files that I see on the list are unneeded.

agreed
September 11th, 2003, 02:48 AM
dirkpitt

yes, we're just using ms backup, :(

so u mean there is no trick to backup everything on ms backup?

in ghost, which version is better, and also, dos or windows based? m not so familiar with this, can you give me instructions on this?

and what do you mean by:"Just be sure that most of the files that I see on the list are unneeded." you mean ghost will also not include this?

thanks
September 11th, 2003, 02:54 AM
NooNoo

I see a bunch of database type files - one an access one. Someone simply has the files open when you are backing up. You are backing up during the day time, try dumping people off the server, or back up when they all go home!

Ghost will get all the files because ghost runs in dos.
September 11th, 2003, 07:06 AM
Gollo

Quote:

Originally Posted by NooNoo

I see a bunch of database type files - one an access one. Someone simply has the files open when you are backing up. You are backing up during the day time, try dumping people off the server, or back up when they all go home!

Ghost will get all the files because ghost runs in dos.

Meaning that you can not run ghost while users are on the system.
What I would do would be to make ONE ghost backup of the entire system (if you are really set on total backups then maybe once a month or whatever). Then use msbackup to backup only files that were created by users daily. Just my 0.02. Cheers.
September 11th, 2003, 12:03 PM
silencio

There's nothing there that windows won't recreate. The purpose of a system state backup is to grab the important stuff that's open and required to run. The stuff there is the unimportant stuff so they ignore it.
September 11th, 2003, 11:09 PM
dirkpitt

thanks guys, hope u can you give me procedures on using ghost, never used it before, which shoiuld i focus on the windows version or dos, i need something not requiring restart or shutdown as much as possible since this is a live database server.
September 12th, 2003, 05:34 AM
NooNoo

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirkpitt

thanks guys, hope u can you give me procedures on using ghost, never used it before, which shoiuld i focus on the windows version or dos, i need something not requiring restart or shutdown as much as possible since this is a live database server.

Ghost relies on the OS not being loaded to get a full backup. If this is a live server you should revert to suggestion 1 - make sure EVERYONE is logged off the server before beginning the tape backup.
September 12th, 2003, 07:34 AM
confus-ed

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirkpitt

thanks guys, hope u can you give me procedures on using ghost, never used it before, which shoiuld i focus on the windows version or dos, i need something not requiring restart or shutdown as much as possible since this is a live database server.

I thinik you ougt to 'convince' your boss you need something a bit better than the standard backup s/w that comes with windoze & forget all about using ghost or drive image or whatever ... if the databases remain 'live' 24/7 you never do get to a position where there are 'zero' users, some f.'er is always 'in there' ....

What database s/w are we running ? ... there really should be something in that to produce backups of that without shutting everything down, if their ain't that's some 'shonky' database s/w you are using ! I could start rattling on now about 'commit' & databases and open files not in use etc, but lets leave that until it becoes clear that you don't understand (but I suspect you don't !);)
September 12th, 2003, 09:47 AM
CeeBee

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirkpitt

thanks guys, hope u can you give me procedures on using ghost, never used it before, which shoiuld i focus on the windows version or dos, i need something not requiring restart or shutdown as much as possible since this is a live database server.

Backup Exec 9 and volume snapshots should do the trick without restarting. :thumbs:
September 12th, 2003, 04:43 PM
jaimicook

Quote:

Originally Posted by CeeBee

Backup Exec 9 and volume snapshots should do the trick without restarting. :thumbs:

I hope I am not being rude, but my problem is related to backing up with Ghost 2003. Perhaps one of you can help. I have a home built Thunderbird 1.4 G with a jetway 663ASPRO board ad 3 Western Digital drives of various sizes. I frequently install and remove programs and as a result sometimes end up wit an unstable or non booting computer. My problem is that I have not been able to make a successful backup of the primary partition to DVD. CD's work fine, it just takes several of them. My DVD burner is a TDK DVDRW0404N, which is dual format. I have been using DVD-r disks. I test the resulting file and it passes, but when i attempt to use it to reinstall the system, I get a corrupted file error somewhere in the early part of the file. Do you think I would have better results using a DVD+R disk instead?
May I thake the time to thank all of you for the the invaluable information you have provided me over the last year.
Jim Cook
September 12th, 2003, 04:52 PM
NooNoo

Jaimie this is a new problem and would be better served in a new thread. However, have you tried making the ghost file to a partition on your drive and then just burning the resulting .gho?

Also I see this when you use the highest possible compression, several times... try creating it with just medium compression.
September 12th, 2003, 05:04 PM
Gollo

I agree with Noo on this one. Put the image on another partition and then burn it to a dvd with the ghost.exe file. It might be easier to make a boot floppy disc instead of trying to get the disc to boot but that shouldn't be hard either.
September 12th, 2003, 09:25 PM
jaimicook

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gollo

I agree with Noo on this one. Put the image on another partition and then burn it to a dvd with the ghost.exe file. It might be easier to make a boot floppy disc instead of trying to get the disc to boot but that shouldn't be hard either.

I thank you all for the info. Sorry if I violated protocall. I will not do that in the future. I will try your suggestion this evening and see how it goes.
Jim
September 12th, 2003, 09:48 PM
NooNoo

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaimicook

I thank you all for the info. Sorry if I violated protocall. I will not do that in the future. I will try your suggestion this evening and see how it goes.
Jim

Violated protocol is too strong, its just that most people may have missed the fact this is a new problem and therefore you may not have got the help you need.
September 12th, 2003, 09:53 PM
Gollo

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaimicook

I thank you all for the info. Sorry if I violated protocall. I will not do that in the future. I will try your suggestion this evening and see how it goes.
Jim

No problem. It's just easier to track a problem with a new post than if you post a secondary problem in a different thread. Good luck.
September 14th, 2003, 12:19 AM
jaimicook

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gollo

No problem. It's just easier to track a problem with a new post than if you post a secondary problem in a different thread. Good luck.

Saved the files to the wd800jb drive and then burned to dvd. Worked great!
thanks again for the info.
Jim