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I am trying to install a CMI8738 card. Please read http://forums.windrivers.com/cgi-bin...ad.php?t=30837
that and see if you can answer my problem. A solution is greatly appreciated.
Welcome to windrivers Yellow!!
I hate to disappoint you but you have bought LOW end everything.
Biostar: low end (cheap mainboard)
CMI: generic sound chip and I bet you can't even determine who made the card itself.
There is an FCC number on the board, and, if you look it up to find the company, IF you can find it, it might sound like a garage somewhere in SE Asia.
This is NOT your fault.
You need to go and get a real/namebrand sound card from a company with a website that supports what you bought!!!
Creative SoundBlaster come to mind.
Youi say you need sound: right???
Well, if you need it, then get something that works.
We can play with this for days on end, but OBVIOUSLY youir card is bad:
causing BSOD's, etc.
Let's try a fresh approach now.
So his original board is 'bad' & now his 'new' card too ? Sheesh, he's having a 'bad' time isn't he ? I wish somebody else would try another approach too !Quote:
Originally Posted by TripleRLtd
I doubt very much that Yellow's luck is that bad !! :p
I suspect more likely its that lovely feature in later versions of windoze - WDM ! WDM=Windows driver model, a 'supposedly' improved method of implementing driver design, it'd be great but the windoze guys didn't implement it properly :rolleyes:
So two approaches:-
1. Keep trying 'wdm style' drivers until one works .... Look at the CMI site here
2. Since WDM drivers are very often 'tricky' (they just don't work with particular hardware combos !) then force windows to use 'old style' VXD type drivers - VXD= Virtual eXtended Device & is the 'old' way, which generally does work (surprise! surpise !), so in safe mode, as we have a BSOD stopping us doing it normally, then either using a driver from my link or the cd that came with your s/c (hopefully) 'force it' by saying 'have {driver} disk' & point it to some drivers for 98/95 NOT w2k/xp ... these usually 'take' & hopefully all will be well.
I suspect this might also sort out the onboard too ;)
Make sure all the old bits of the s/c are off in bios, I can see from the 'other' thread that you think you have, but very often the midi port (or the game connector, whichever you prefer) is controlled seperately in either another bios section or with yet another jumper, this MUST be off too (along with all the other bits of 'sound' like legacy emulation etc), or your new card may conflict.
The only thing I can find in TripleR's 'rant' to agree with (You didn't even need really need welcoming, having been 'kind of' here already ;), but yeah welcome ! :D), is why did you buy such a 'rubbish' additional card ? Its done now so ... mute point !
Considering I built the whole thing for 368 dollars, its pretty good and fairly fast. I paid 7 dollars for the sound card! Thanks for the welcoming and I will try this idea.
I have a shedload of cheapie cm8738 cards - never ever had a problem with them - sblive value however, I wouldn't touch with a barge pole.
I have tried the things you have told me to do, and those do not work.
Noo can you not merge these threads ? I take it you can't as the other lives in a different forum ?
So, eventually ... lets try some other stuff ...
First I want to ensure that the onboard is definately off, not just the main bit, but all of it ....
So pull the pci s/c card, then tell me what's in device manager under 'sound video & games controllers' - if everything is 'gone' there shouldn't be anything, also check 'other devices' -this is where 'strange' (unrecognised) stuff goes if windows doesn't detect it correctly, look out for anything else 'peculiar' that appears mis -classified.
After that I want to know whether ACPI (Advanced Configuration and Power Interface) is ON or OFF in bios - this controls how resources and devices are 'organised' (that's not a very good description, but the gist) in windows.
When you say "..tried the things you have told me to do, and those do not work" - could you expound a little ? What didn't work - No sound -pressumably, or windows didn't want to 'take' the driver - i.e. my 'force it' approach failed, or it worked & showed correctly in device manager, but still no sound ?
Is this machine all patched up ? its been to windoze update & you've drunk several cups of coffee while it does its thing ? :)
Lastly, can I just clear up what steps you took to try & get the onboard sound working ... because I think whatever is preventing that working is stopping us here.
That's enough questions for now, once I've got your answers, maybe something might jump out at me, or perhaps with all that info, some other soul might see something I've miss-ed ;)
I tried, it got confus-ed :D :D
It sure did ;) ... btw who IS Paul Cunningham?:DQuote:
Originally Posted by NooNoo
I'm kind of glad I'm not the only one, Yellow. Here is some input though, the "cheap" motherboard isn't the culprit because I'm using a Gigabyte GA-7VA board. My sound card was made by Asound but it is the cmi8738/pci-sx chipset - 4 channel. Also the card worked perfectly in Windows 2000. I only get this problem with XP. I'll keep checking back to see if anyone can figure this problem out. Until then, I guess it's onboard or nothing.
John
Welcome to you too halogore: John, to Windrivers that is.Quote:
Originally Posted by halogore
You got the wrong impression and I brought it on myself considering Yellows "need" for sound.
I have used plenty of cheapie sound cards for people who don't want to spend $50-$100, and they work fine, especially for office setting where good sound is not needed.
So, have you tried confus-ed's recommendations yet?
There are plenty of possibliities there.
Do you get BSOD?
What error messages do you get, if any, or do you just get no sound?
I had a similar problem with a six channel cmi8738 but with a DFI AD75 board and XP Pro. I let XP search for the drivers on the internet and after about 30 seconds the card installed and all was good except it was identified as a 4 channel CMI card. It must have something to do possibly with the card manufacturers implimentation of the sound chip and a particular driver version. So you might want to try this approach after you cleanup your previous driver installs and you have internet access with the PC in question.
All I get is a BSOD unless I remove the drivers or boot in safe mode.
halogore, exactly what is the bsod message?
Alright, the ACPI is ON in the BIOS. And, when I take the card out, all that is said in there is my midi device (MPU-401). What I meant by didnt work is, when I tried those methods, it still gave me a bluescreen. Sorry I havent replied in awhile, I was on vacation and wasnt able to respond.
Will SOMEONE respond?
Your problems might go away if you disable the onboard audio for your motherboard, that includes the MPU401 midi controller that is also onboard.
I got your pm ... & am now back (a little later than promised ;)) ... so where are we at ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yellow
Reviewing this thread for Yellow specifically then :-
1. post 'us' up what motherboard this is ... ACPI on/off definately might come into play - generally 'on' is best, however if the motherboard isn't specifically designed to handle NT based 'arbitration', then off would be prefered, however sometimes experimentation is the only way :rolleyes: .
1. First make sure all onboard components are definately off, so pull this extra cmi card, open bios & search around for any/all s/c bits, this includes as just suggested (;)) any mpu device (that's a midi port also used 'mostly' as a game port) - when you think you've got 'em all run hardware detect to make sure - remove any remaining bits in safe mode, we want device manager to show absolutely no 'sound' bits whatsoever, repeat as appropriate until 'all gone' ...
2. Add any chipset patches as appropriate these'll depend on the motherboard.
3. At this point you ought to be ready to try again, so add back the card, let windows find it, then point it at the cmi drivers I gave you earlier.
If/when we get a bsod, please post up the exact message..
Ouch, this one brings back some "happy" memories.....https://forums.windrivers.com/Quote:
Originally Posted by confus-ed
One month later?
Sorry Yellow.
Oh, gee Yellow. When you initially installed XP, did you have any file copy errors or glitches? I think you have got one or more bad memory modules. Can you swap them out? I think even the best memory test may not be reliable in this situation. But I have found many failures to load, install or run XP correctly are memory related.
Turning the ACPI off results in my system not starting. I have removed all traces of the sound card before this one. And the Windows XP problem cannot because I have reinstalled XP twice and the problem still persists.
If you turn off ACPI you have changed the hardware configuration of the machine, you must therefore do a repair or inplace install to use xp again.
:thumbs: ... if however you post up the motherboard spec I can tell you which might be best ;) & we can find out the motherboard pci slot assignments which'll help as well ... more info helps us solve these puzzles :)Quote:
Originally Posted by NooNoo
The motherboard specs can be found here:
http://www.biostar-usa.com/mbdetails...odel=m7vkq+pro
hope it helps :)
Yellow, you've tried about a gazillion drivers, messed with BIOS settings, etc. Try swapping the memory! I run into an increasing number of memory related issues with XP in particular (Windows in general...ain't no quality control no more). I have had the identical situation occur and resolved it by replacing RAM.
Have also run across situations where all drivers install correctly, but some software won't until memory is swapped out. Hope you didn't go out and buy some generic RAM off the 'net for your machine. You are better off buying Crucial, PNY, Kingston, Infineon, etc than the no-name stuff. Even if you have some fairly sophisticated software memory diagnostics, there is no real guarantee that the results of the test intended to replicate behavior under Windows are accurate.
Ok, I put the memory in the other slot, but, still the blue screen. I have reliable RAM. It's Kingston.
I would love to get my hands on this machine.....where are you in the world yellow?
Very very far from you, St. Louis, Missouri, US.
Just a tad far for an evening vist.... :D
The motherboard documentation told me nothing :rolleyes: ... however I can see a picture which helps a bit, are you using the onboard video as I see no agp slot ? ... pci card is most likely 'happiest' in the pci slot next to the floppy connector & amr slot, it wants to try & use irq5 ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Yellow
Can we have the actual error message, please?
Hello Yellow! What I meant was that you should replace your existing memory with different modules, not relocate them. Kingston is good memory, but not perfect. I have built several systems recently where problems with the memory have caused Windows to not install, or after installation, some drivers or programs (including Norton Antivirus, MS Office 2000 and XP, etc) have failed to install until the memory modules were replaced.
If you bought the memory from a local dealer with a reputation for service, they should have no trouble doing the swap. Chain stores and online vendors can be more difficult to deal with.