Organ Donation compulsory or Voluntary ?

OK as we seem to have a healthy debate going both on religion and Euthanasia I thought perhaps this deserved a separate thread to be open to a fair debate.

Question : Should organ donation be made compulsory for all [both adults and children regardless of religion,creed or colour,etc,etc] rather than being voluntary?

There was a news clip last night on one of the UK channels noting a single nurses hard work had increased organ donations at her hospital by over 700% and that the doners kin were in actual fact happy to see another benefit from the sad circumstances.Now given our everlasting desire these days to live a loooong life should it be made compulsory?

My personal view is once your dead its just a body and no longer the person that lived before and yes they should do as they wish with the parts of the body as benefits society as a whole.

Hell no, I am going to be properly mummified with my vital organs placed in sacred jars, and if any of the said jars is violated I will return from the dead to destroy not only the violators but also their families, and friends of the families along with their families.

I agree that organ donations are a great thing. When my sister died, my parents had her organs harvested (she was almost 2 and not able to make the choice.) Her organs were able to save 3 people, and it is something that still makes me smile. I know she did not need them, and the familys of the people saved were better off for the gift she gave. Since that day, everyone in my family is set up to be an organ donor. I do not know of any reasons not to, but i do not know all religons. If it were made to be mandatory, I think there should be a way for people to opt out, but they would have to give a reason why. Here in the states, the liberals would go nuts if you made anything mandatory without having a loophole.

Can we have your liver?

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Originally Posted by CAMARO80Z

I agree that organ donations are a great thing. When my sister died, my parents had her organs harvested (she was almost 2 and not able to make the choice.) Her organs were able to save 3 people, and it is something that still makes me smile. I know she did not need them, and the familys of the people saved were better off for the gift she gave. Since that day, everyone in my family is set up to be an organ donor. I do not know of any reasons not to, but i do not know all religons. If it were made to be mandatory, I think there should be a way for people to opt out, but they would have to give a reason why. Here in the states, the liberals would go nuts if you made anything mandatory without having a loophole.

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I dont think liberals would be the one to go nuts over that, or did you mean libertarians (usually the party most concerned with personal freedoms)?


Sounds like a good idea to me. Something irks me a bit about it being mandatory though. Perhaps automatic unless you opt out (which is easy as checking a box on a drivers license or calling a phone # or going to a web site)?

Automatic unless you opt out sounds good to me too. Mandatory is ludacris.

You all can have my :butt: , but nothing else. High mileage usage, exit only of course, plenty of hot sauce and peppers passed through...

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Originally Posted by Cleetus

Hell no, I am going to be properly mummified with my vital organs placed in sacred jars, and if any of the said jars is violated I will return from the dead to destroy not only the violators but also their families, and friends of the families along with their families.

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I thought in your area they took your body out to the swamp with a big rock tied round your neck to weight it down :p :D


BTW anybody else having a problem with post notifications not going to windrivers website but a 404 page?

Forums have been shifted about a bit, not all links are up todate ... but its getting there.

I would go for the opt out, I am aware of a number of cultures that require the body to be whole when buried so as long as it doesn't go against the beliefs of the Donor - however the family might have something to say and that's where it gets messy.

Mostly the problem is that people don't even think about it, a bit like giving blood, there are those who conscienciously go every week and there are many more who just expect to use the service without having to donate.....kinda like attitudes to shareware really :D

Yes, but the "automatic unless you opt-out" idea is just as bad as the adware that end users download to their systems every day :p

Regardless, it's my personal opinion that government should keep its collective nose of this. If the present program is already showing signs of improvement, then why regulate it to death?

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Originally Posted by NooNoo

Mostly the problem is that people don't even think about it, a bit like giving blood, there are those who conscienciously go every week and there are many more who just expect to use the service without having to donate.....kinda like attitudes to shareware really :D

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You give blood every week!?! Now wonder you're so dizzy! :rolleyes:

I think it's once every 6 weeks or 2 months that they allow you to come back...

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Originally Posted by paraflyer

Yes, but the "automatic unless you opt-out" idea is just as bad as the adware that end users download to their systems every day :p

Regardless, it's my personal opinion that government should keep its collective nose of this. If the present program is already showing signs of improvement, then why regulate it to death?

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Some countries are like this, I believe australia is one such country (correct me if i'm wrong). Only a small percentage of people make the concious choice on the subject one way or the other and that needs to be respected. However if the person does not care, that's entirly different.

Probably the best would be to make a mandatory option at a certain age or when getting the driver license, choose either yes or no, and leave the possibility to change at any time. Same for disconnection from life-support devices after a certain period of time, then there will be no more arguments like "he/she would have liked that" (see the Florida case). In CT there is a checkbox for organ donations on the driver's license, but I wonder how many of the ones who want to donate have actually checked it...

F- all of ya’ll and your mandatory crap. You want greater participation, better education is the best thing you can do. Public service advertisements illustrating how victims were able to save another’s life, and sensationalize that!!! Then, remind people that they can opt for it, and tell them how. Like someone just said, it is an option when you get your license, but when I was 16, I didn’t care about anything like that. Since then I have renewed several times, and I always forget. I used to give blood all of the time, but that was because my previous employers always arranged to have a bus show up a few times a year, and allowed us to donate on the clock. A little incentive goes a long way!!!

Education!!! Education !!! Education!!!

The minute you make something mandatory, all of the people that might have wanted to do it for their own well being, now are the first ones to scream out about their rights being infringed!!!

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Originally Posted by Ya_know

You give blood every week!?! Now wonder you're so dizzy! :rolleyes:

I think it's once every 6 weeks or 2 months that they allow you to come back...

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Oh great. Now she is going to
Grrrrrrooooowwwwwllllll again!

It is my firm belief that when I die the CANOE DOCTORS should just leave me the hell alone. Nothing religious or anything it is just the way I strongly feel.

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Originally Posted by Ya_know

The minute you make something mandatory, all of the people that might have wanted to do it for their own well being, now are the first ones to scream out about their rights being infringed!!!

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What rights infringed??? If you want to you say yes, if not say no, then get the hell outta there... Since I'm among the ones who say "I'll do it later" and then forget I have just bothered to check that option on my license...

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Originally Posted by CeeBee

What rights infringed??? If you want to you say yes, if not say no, then get the hell outta there... Since I'm among the ones who say "I'll do it later" and then forget I have just bothered to check that option on my license...

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Ok, what about the deeply held religious conviction to not have sh!t shoved down your throat every time you turn around, and the privilege of make decisions like this on your own, without pressure from the man!

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Originally Posted by Ya_know

Ok, what about the deeply held religious conviction to not have sh!t shoved down your throat every time you turn around, and the privilege of make decisions like this on your own, without pressure from the man!

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If you don't really want or are unsure say no... nobody forces you to say yes if you don't want to, it's 100% your decision, and - what is most important - nobody tells you what you should choose. It's like auto insurance, you must have it but it's your choice whether to have only liability or insure your car as well.

I think where we are crossing signals is that I was responding to the notion that it should be mandatory to be a donor, and that you would have to opt out if that was your decision. What you are proposing is no different that what we have now. When you apply for a license, they ask if you want to participate, and you say no, or leave me alone, or yes.

I would like not to cloud this discussion anymore. My important point was that of education and advertisements; exploits of the results of current donors, and how they saved lives. Let’s keep it there, and save the BS debates for the straight out political threads, Ok!?!

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Originally Posted by Ya_know

What you are proposing is no different that what we have now. When you apply for a license, they ask if you want to participate, and you say no, or leave me alone, or yes.

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That's the problem, they don't ask you (at least here in CT), there is just an option you can check on the back of the license, sign and have 2 witnesses sign as well... They could have a YES/NO choice on the application itself. I haven't had my checkbox marked for the simple reason that I've never had 2 witnesses around when thinking of that, and I'm not thinking too often about death since I don't have any plans for it during the next 70 years :D And probably I'll forget again when I renew my license.
Oh, and one more thing... most people don't bother to do something if they don't get something in return.. say an application fee waiver if you check that option???

It'd be like your legacy. Like my last gift to the human race. Just my 2 cent

The problem with mandatory donation is getting them to wait till you're dead. If you have have two of something, what's to keep them from eventually requiring you to give one of them up, for instance a kidney (and for you guys, something else too painful to consider)?

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Originally Posted by Archer

I thought in your area they took your body out to the swamp with a big rock tied round your neck to weight it down :p :D


BTW anybody else having a problem with post notifications not going to windrivers website but a 404 page?

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That's what he's talking about... He's gonna be a Bog Mummy!!!1

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Originally Posted by amyb

It'd be like your legacy. Like my last gift to the human race. Just my 2 cent

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My legacy will be the completion of my face on a very large mountain range that can be seen from space, then once it is completed I will rise from the dead and go to Mars and sleep with the Amazonian women who have never seen a man and therefor have never known peace or happiness and they will make me their god, and we will love, then we will destory the earth for mocking me so!!!!

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Originally Posted by Cleetus

...and sleep with the Amazonian women who have never seen a man...

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What, no luck otherwise??? :grin:

I thought the Amazonians hated men...weren't they all lesbian? I know Wonder Woman's group of gal's sure didn't like men.....

Nah, the Martian Amazonians all inately want some of the cleetus, the just stay les until the day they are blessed with his holiness!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Cleetus

Nah, the Martian Amazonians all inately want some of the cleetus, the just stay les until the day they are blessed with his holiness!!!!!

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Then they chop him up and eat him cause this is the only satifaction they can get from him ;)

I'm going to leave my clone to science when I kill him.

The only advantage of organ donation is already being dead, as i am sure it would hurt a lot more otherwise.

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Originally Posted by CeeBee

Probably the best would be to make a mandatory option at a certain age or when getting the driver license, choose either yes or no, and leave the possibility to change at any time. Same for disconnection from life-support devices after a certain period of time, then there will be no more arguments like "he/she would have liked that" (see the Florida case). In CT there is a checkbox for organ donations on the driver's license, but I wonder how many of the ones who want to donate have actually checked it...

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We have a box here in WV that asks if you want to donate

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Originally Posted by JayBee

The only advantage of organ donation is already being dead, as i am sure it would hurt a lot more otherwise.

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One does not have to be dead to donate certain organs.

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Originally Posted by silencio

I'm going to leave my clone to science when I kill him.

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How will we know which of you survived or even if it would be morally ethical to kill your clone ?