Saddam Captured alive
Just hope this time its true.
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Saddam Captured alive
Just hope this time its true.
Don't get your hopes up to much to soon it could well be one of his many body doubles which may be why theres a delay to authenticate identities.
This said I believe they have his thumb print in a English foundry as they were sculpting it onto an image of his thumb pre his "abdication".
Tony Blair has just confimed Saddam Hussain has been captured.
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
Im in Australia but am watching a live NBC news break and they have confirmed by DNA testing that it is Saddam.
Apparently they were tipped off that Saddam was in a house. When the troops stormed the house saddam was hiding outside in a hole.
Yep, just watching the official announcement from Gen Ricardo Sanchez, with short film that appears to be Saddam having medical exam, wearing beard, then slides of him shaven.
The internet has slowed down a lot - must be heavy traffic...
So they got him at last? About time.
Are they going to use some nerve gas to kill him as he used on thousands of his own people?
More likely he'll be put up in some soft jail for the rest of his life living in comfort. He'd have been better left on the run, so that at least he'd be watching over his shoulder until the day he died.
The current thinking seems to be for him to be tried in Iraq. I don't suppose they'd be lenient with him.
The requisite legislation to enable members of the former regime to be tried in Iraq was passed only about a week ago.
Was watching the news, DNA tests prove it was him.
Iraq isn't the UK. They have capital punishment. Saddam is going the way of public trial and death penalty. I can think of nothing more fitting than trying him as a common criminal then executing him.Quote:
Originally Posted by gazzak
WTF!!!
this totally sucks.
i was hoping to catch him and collect the reward money then i wouldnt have to work again.
this just totally ruins my day now :(
Actualy, i think iraq abolished capital punishment recently.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaeger
Holy crap! There is a Santa. He came early this year though.
They should have started digging in that hole, they might have come up with Bin Laden.
I think they are going to tread softly to make sure he doesn't die a martyr.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaeger
He's directly responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands. I think they'll make an exception.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matridom
He's still around??? LOL!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Major Kong
The latest video pics of Saddam show him very aged and bearded. No denying that is him.
This is probably one of the greatest Christmas gifts for Blair and Bush. With Saddam captured, maybe the fighting will settle down.
I'm thinking that the best way to torture him.. err interrogate him, would be to allow the Iraqis do it. They already have plenty of experience. It shouldn't be long before we know where the WMDs went.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaeger
I am watching a press conference from Baghdad on CSPAN now and when they showed the first video of Saddam being medically checked by the US Army some of the Iraqi media jumped up and began shouting "Death to Saddam" over and over in Arabic while ther Iraqi reporters wept openly.
Even though Muslim's do not celebrate Christmas, it would seem that it came early for the Iraqi people this year.
He looks better in a beard.
Hi there,
*lol* The Evil Santa! *lol* Anyways, one down, one to go. :)
Ju Leon...
Best explanation I've heard so far is that he was bluffing....saying he had nukes so that nobody would want to attack him. Yeah, THAT WORKED!Quote:
Originally Posted by silencio
The CIAs gonna look pretty bad if they don't find something. :eek: I think they'll find something. At this point we've been in there long enough to plant something though... like Richard Gere in Internal Affairs ;)
Nukes are not the only type of WMD.Quote:
Originally Posted by FatalException0E
Silencio:
damnit, there you go giving everyone ideas.https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif
He'd look even better in a coffin.Quote:
Originally Posted by ilovetheusers
*lol* :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by inferno_gn
What, so before USA was getting nothing but bashed for being over there and all, but now that Saddam's been caught, seems as if everyones happy and not bashing....go figure....
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I'd be happier of BushCo finds Osama and some trace of WMD. Of the three BushCo needed for any creditablity they found the least important on the list.
At this point, I would say that the search for weapons of mass destruction is secondary to the stability of Iraqi. I think at 1 point there was so much pressure on the US to justify our presence by finding these weapons of mass destrucion, that we let the search detour a lot of resources that should have been focusing on stabalizing the region.Quote:
Originally Posted by TripleRLtd
For you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleetus
However for an end to many fears in Iraq, this is the absolute most important finding thus far. No one cares anymore about WMD’s what they want is for Iraq, and all of it’s insurgents to stand down, and let democracy, and a new government lead the way. With the cowardice surrender of Sadam, it is only a brief matter of time before we seen an end of the violence from the die-hard supporters, and hopefully an end to the insurgent effort.
The war is over, and we now have proof for the Iraq people. I think it is a superior victory!
Exactly, for me. As a voter, as a citizen that lives under BushCo, yes it is a matter of importance for me that is more than the Iraqi people. Ya_see, now there is proof he was alive the whole time, yet, no WMD's were ever used. And don't feed me any lines of how he used them years ago against the Kurds, we went to war months ago for WMD's he was suppossed to have and was suppossed to be more than willing to use. He didn't, he is alive. BushCo got some credibility finally for getting someone, but they have a long, long way to go with many of the citizens of this country to justify what they have been doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ya_know
You are naïve if you believed that load. We never went to war because of WMD...never, we’ve covered that in many debates here even. The introduction of the WMD threat was just an effort to gain public support from the US and the international community. The agenda was already planed, regardless if those specific threats were real or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleetus
This war was an effort to deal a swift blow to a known terrorist state in the Arab world, one that we could achieve a quick victory, and show the rest of the world we were in this war on terror for the long haul. A reason why we went to war with Iraq and not some other terrorist state, could be because Sadam’s self-righteous, purely egotistic, even antagonistic nature was a perfect tyrant to topple.
As a run of the mill “voter”, you will never know the true inner workings of exactly why we went to war. And to expect, and even demand a full disclosure is as naïve as it gets. None of us rate to know about national security decisions, and intelligence. These things are all classified to prevent any compromise in the system. We may find out years later, when Hollywood starts putting out the movies, and documents are declassified, Hollywood will probably come first, but until then we trust all of our elected officials. Even when it comes time to vote for your democratic party, you are still going in blind and naïve. That is not an insult, it is a matter of fact.
Imagine how life would be if we all your wonderful view of trust in our officials to do the exact right thing all the time and follow their misleadings.
But don't we always? It is not a government of the people. We elect people into office, it becomes their government. The only thing that protects your individual agenda or views, is political pressures, special interests, and reelection campaign platforms. If your ideas don’t fall into the grand scheme of things, well then, you get left out, legislation is either changed, or created to suit another's needs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleetus
I have a job, kids, and personal goals. I don’t have time to address every single bill, local, state, country, that comes around unless it directly affects me. The larger portion of the population lives the same way. We all depend on our government…as pitiful as you try to make that sound.
And I certainly don’t have the capacity to make decisions on when we go to war, and when we don’t. If I did, I wouldn’t be here, I’d be in Washington DC, with a boat load of security clearances...
You seem to think your voice, although loud here, is heard…well it isn’t. Try yelling louder.
Then why do you even bother coming here and debating this with us? If you are so busy, they are so smart, and our voices don't mean a thing, why do you bother? Why do you waste your breath?
I have an opinion, I have a voice and I have a vote. I have the freedom and the right to come here and voice my opinion on what MY government is doing, right or wrong, educated fully or not. MY friends were in Iraq, MY buddies were getting shot at and shooting. I don't know everything that happened, but every single one of them is either out now or doing their best to get out. I do know that WMD's were not used, have not been found. Intelligence show both that Iraq was involved with the terrorists we are after and that they had no ties. They are connected to those that affect other places. Saudi has shown more ties to the terrorists that attacked us than Iraq. Funny how there are so many more countries that pose a threat either real or through terrorists yet we go after that one country, at that one time. And all in all, the suppossed "mastermind" of 9-11 is still at large. N Korea is still got the nukes. And there are many terrorists in many other nations.
Look, I bought the line hook and sinker. I believed that Saddam was a real threat, I went with our government and asked for blood. As time has shown, we went for other reasons. None of the reasons I bought in for came to light. Many were deamed false, misleading. I was suckered by this government 100%, and I can live with my mistake. How many more of their mistakes, how many more of us being suckered can we live with?
I am one person, and have a tiny voice. But to say that I should be quiet, for me to listen to you and be quiet is conceeding defeat. Doing exactly as I am doing, doing exactly as others here are doing, even you my friend when we disagree, is what is worth fighting for, is what makes us so great. The freedom, don't you dare ask me to tread on it again cause you don't like what I say. I never once asked you to sit back in defeat and no longer speak your case. We do not grow as a society by quietly going our way. Destroying those responsible for giving us the black eye on 9-11 I am 100% for, lieing about the reasons for our first pre-emptive war, I am 100% against.
Where did you get that I said you should be quite? What I have implied here is that your voice of reason is not practical, when you say you wanted all of the right reasons before we went to war, and you wanted them to be true, and you wanted them to be public knowledge. But that all came after the original reason I entered this thread…
Fact is, we went in with some faulty intelligence. Well no sh!t, bad intelligence cost us our a$$ in Pearl Harbor, and many mistakes have been made for every war that we or any country has ever fought in, all due to inaccurate information. But the fact remains, Sadam had to be ousted, we had the resolve and some collaborative support, and what was done is done, and under the bridge. You belittled the capture of Sadam, and I retorted. We are now here, in an endless spiral of differing beliefs. Next topic, did Michael Do it!?!
Really, all I wanted was for you to admit that you were wrong in belittling his capture, how we ended up here is another of the Windrivers phenomenon.
WinDrivers phenomenon: https://forums.windrivers.com/
What?!?!?!?!
No, I am not wrong in one bit for belittling the capture. Not unless you admit you love me which is the only reason I can think of why you constantly belittle me and make personal attacks, only to hide your true deep burning desires.
By the way, this is belittleing waht happende, from Mark Morford from the San Fran Gate.
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Well gosh golly it only took upwards 400+ dead U.S. soldiers (and counting) and over 10,000 dead innocent Iraqi citizens (and counting) and countless tens of thousands of dead Iraqi soldiers and about 150 billion in your tax moneys (and counting) and the screeching blood sacrifice of both our national pride and our international status and the gutting of our foreign policy, and he was of course no threat to America whatsoever and never had much of a military force to begin with and if he ever had any WMD he destroyed them over a decade ago, and we brutally invaded his unhappy nation and laid waste to it for absolutely no justifiable reason whatsoever, but finally Saddam Hussein has been captured alive, yay yay go team. Shortly after soldiers pulled an aged, bearded Saddam from a makeshift cellar, Defense Secretary Donald "black souled" Rumsfeld was delivering the news of the prized capture to Bush, who stopped coloring in his favorite book and looked up all startled and let out the cutest happy little gurgle. The anticlimatic end to a nine-month search for the dictator instantly changed the politics of Iraq back in America, where huge amounts of insanely gullible citizens instantly upgraded their view of BushCo in the polls, because this is how really quite sad and stupid many have become and this is how useless polls are, that Saddam's capture suddenly means BushCo is some sort of decent leader and that the capture somehow negates, you know, a vile and budget-reaming and oil-sucking and U.N.-violating and utterly demeaning war no one wanted. Yay. Go team.
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Originally Posted by Cleetus
As our new president and secretary of state, The DUEL
Cleetus v Ya_know.
The History of Dueling in America
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http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/duel/sf.../dueling_1.jpgThe fatal duel between Alexander Hamilton and Aaron Burr shocked the nation. But it was the identity of the man killed, not the fact of the duel itself, that produced such dismay.