The mystery..

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February 5th, 2004, 07:51 AM
Matridom

The mystery..

I have a mystery here that i can't seem to figure out. looking for assitance on what i may be missing.

Here is what is occuring.

I Currently run on a DSL setup, so my IP changes ALL the time. To track it, i use a program such as directupdate that queries a webpage to keep track of the IP (I run a router, so can't do it directly). The problem is, that since the last windows update (KB832894) All my browsers (netscape AND ie) detect the SAME external IP i had last detected via a browser (even though it is not valid) the 2k box and xp box that do not have the update, detect it correctly, this is all through the same router. I've currently worked around the issue by setting up the detection software an un-updated box, however i would like to be able to find a proper solution rather then a work around.

And yes, even sites like www.grc.com are showing this issue. I can see this causing a possible problem with secure websites as a result, though i've not encountered any other odditites since. I would update the software on other system to make sure this is the issue, but i don't want to create the same issue on other systems.
February 5th, 2004, 08:04 AM
confus-ed

No doubt Mat, I'm just about to confuse matters again ... but I have cable with dynmaic IP & all I did was clone my original mac address from my pc's nic into my router, which has dhcp & boom bing bang, everything funky...

Edit & why is this in the server 2003 section ? & what is responsible for internal IP allocation here - your router ? whatever is, surely should get the external IP & thus update 'everything' correctly ?

Seemingly very confus-ed this morning :rolleyes:
February 5th, 2004, 08:13 AM
Matridom

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Originally Posted by confus-ed

No doubt Mat, I'm just about to confuse matters again ... but I have cable with dynmaic IP & all I did was clone my original mac address from my pc's nic into my router, which has dhcp & boom bing bang, everything funky...

Edit & why is this in the server 2003 section ?

If it was that being the issue, it would have been long solved. The issue is that the operating systen (windows 2003) is unable to hand out the right IP address to sites that are designed to detect said address(the last update was a browser update that affects ALL browsers). I think it's cause of the most recent update, if not, I'll delve into the depths of the OS to sort it out. If however it's something truly caused by the updated, i don't want to bang my head uselessly.

Edit: Confus-ed, the issue here is mainly the external IP that the website SHOULD detect is one that is in essence 2 days old, i've gone through 10 different IP's since then. If however i connect through a system that has not been updated, the SAME website will detect the correct IP. (i've not changed anyting within the router nor changed the external IP) Internaly, the problematic system is a static internal IP (however, has of a few days ago, worked fine for almost a year).
February 5th, 2004, 04:41 PM
silencio

Don't have a clue about your problem Matt but Ed, you can't have two identical MAC addresses on the same network. The IP is just a logical address. The MAC is hardware based and needs to be unique.
February 6th, 2004, 05:50 AM
confus-ed

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Originally Posted by silencio

Don't have a clue about your problem Matt but Ed, you can't have two identical MAC addresses on the same network. The IP is just a logical address. The MAC is hardware based and needs to be unique.

You drunk Mr !?! :p :devil:

...Of course you can ... my router is designed that way on purpose ! ... Sure internally it does have a 'unique' mac ... but it can lie for me to the ISP by using any old mac address I tell it to clone.

I'm on cable, when I originally set up my account I just did it straight to one machine, that will have exposed its Mac address as part of the sign-up & so each time I connect it wants to see that mac address or it won't let me connect, so I just clone the mac address from my original pc into the router, that then 'lies' every time I connect, by sending the cloned mac address to the network instead of its own ! :)

Anyway are MAC addresses actually unique any more ? I thought we ran out of numbers long since?

None of this is helping Matt though :) ... perhaps a clearer explanation might make my poor old mind see more ...?
February 6th, 2004, 07:15 AM
Matridom

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Originally Posted by confus-ed

You drunk Mr !?! :p :devil:

...Of course you can ... my router is designed that way on purpose ! ... Sure internally it does have a 'unique' mac ... but it can lie for me to the ISP by using any old mac address I tell it to clone.

I'm on cable, when I originally set up my account I just did it straight to one machine, that will have exposed its Mac address as part of the sign-up & so each time I connect it wants to see that mac address or it won't let me connect, so I just clone the mac address from my original pc into the router, that then 'lies' every time I connect, by sending the cloned mac address to the network instead of its own ! :)

Anyway are MAC addresses actually unique any more ? I thought we ran out of numbers long since?

None of this is helping Matt though :) ... perhaps a clearer explanation might make my poor old mind see more ...?

Ya, mac's are still unique, will take a long time to run out. 12 hexidecimal means, 281,474,976,710,656 possibilites, or just shy of 282 trillion. That's one of the reasons that IPX/SPX is actualy a better protocol the TCP/IP in some regards. The "IP" (for lake of a better word) is a 20 character hexidecemal string, 8 characters for the network name, 12 for the mac address.

Asus and SIS seem to have software level mac address where if you don't have the correct drivers, each board will have the same mac address... And oh man, is that causing problems. I'm starting to curse asus.

But i digress.
February 6th, 2004, 08:32 AM
confus-ed

Matt ... I meant descibe your problem 'more clearly' ;) :thumbs: ... not un-confuse me about whether mac addresses are 'unique' or not :)

You ain't getting many replies except my confus-ed ones ! :) So I think, nobody can fathom what the hells connected to what how & what is responsible for dhcp etc etc - I can't anyway !
February 6th, 2004, 08:35 AM
Matridom

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Originally Posted by confus-ed

Matt ... I meant descibe your problem 'more clearly' ;) :thumbs: ... not un-confuse me about whether mac addresses are 'unique' or not :)

You ain't getting many replies except my confus-ed ones ! :) So I think, nobody can fathom what the hells connected to what how & what is responsible for dhcp etc etc - I can't anyway !

I've given up. I managed to get the Dynamic DNS updating properly (going to the status page of the router) as for the server not handing out the right IP. I'll just live with it. I guess when i bring a problem here, it's too hard to figure out. Oh well.

And as for confusing you? Well, It's hard trying to make you live up to your name ;)
February 6th, 2004, 10:02 AM
Archer

See if this helps IP2 http://keir.net/ip2.html

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IP2 is a small program that you can use to determine your IP addresses - both WAN and LAN. What this means is that along with showing you the traditional IP address that your computer is using in its local environment (e.g. a LAN) it will also show you what your IP address is from the perspective of an "outsider" on the Internet. This is in contrast to the many tools and utilities available on the Internet that simply return the LAN address, which is useless if somebody on the Internet needs to connect to your computer.

Your WAN and LAN IP addresses may be the same if you are directly accessing the Internet with something like a dialup modem or a cable modem without a hardware NAT router. However, if you are using some kind of hardware router or firewall as your gateway to the Internet, your computer will most likely have been assigned a "non-routable" IP address such as 10.1.2.3 or 192.168.1.2 for example. In this situation there is no easy way to find out what your true Internet IP address is. This is where IP2 comes into play.
February 6th, 2004, 10:46 AM
Ya_know

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Originally Posted by Matridom

...I'll just live with it. I guess when i bring a problem here, it's too hard to figure out. Oh well.

Wow, king of the humble...allow me to wallow in your feces...

https://forums.windrivers.com/
February 6th, 2004, 11:25 AM
Stalemate

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matridom

...Asus and SIS seem to have software level mac address where if you don't have the correct drivers, each board will have the same mac address... And oh man, is that causing problems. I'm starting to curse asus.

But i digress.

Just going off track a bit here...

I had the same situation with a couple of MSI boards which lost their MACs once the BIOS had been flashed.

Using SMAC I managed to find the original "burnt in" MACs and restore them.
February 6th, 2004, 11:44 AM
Matridom

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Originally Posted by Ya_know

Wow, king of the humble...allow me to wallow in your feces...

http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/.../slam_anim.gif

Not at all ya_know. It's just the thread has been here for well over a day and there has been no solution, I've torn the net apart looking for a proper solution I can't even find someone else with the same problem, the OS registers nothing wrong in any of the logging services. I have a working work-around for my prickly problem. I figure it's something on my end and i'll live with it. That's all. My apologies if i sounded arrogant, that was not my intention.
February 6th, 2004, 12:23 PM
Ya_know

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Originally Posted by Matridom

Not at all ya_know. It's just the thread has been here for well over a day and there has been no solution, I've torn the net apart looking for a proper solution I can't even find someone else with the same problem, the OS registers nothing wrong in any of the logging services. I have a working work-around for my prickly problem. I figure it's something on my end and i'll live with it. That's all. My apologies if i sounded arrogant, that was not my intention.

That was just too easy...I was cool with it until you came back with that sorry a$$ apology. Arrogance is acceptable, but groveling is for pu$$ies. I thought you were a lot tougher than that!?! :eek2:

:p
February 6th, 2004, 01:05 PM
Matridom

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ya_know

That was just too easy...I was cool with it until you came back with that sorry a$$ apology. Arrogance is acceptable, but groveling is for pu$$ies. I thought you were a lot tougher than that!?! :eek2:

:p

:cool:

i think ;)
February 6th, 2004, 01:09 PM
Ya_know

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Originally Posted by Matridom

:cool:

i think ;)

Heehee. I'm just bored, looking for someone to pick a fight with. None here...I will move on... :sad:
February 6th, 2004, 01:23 PM
Matridom

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ya_know

Heehee. I'm just bored, looking for someone to pick a fight with. None here...I will move on... :sad:

I would, but i'm too "bugged" out right now to think coherently enough to have a good argument.

Take a rain check Ya_know, i'll be up for it next week
February 12th, 2004, 08:36 PM
Matridom

It has been solved.

And it apears to be my own fault. 4 days before the update, i had a firmware update done on my router. the firmware allowed for pppoe passthrough. The computer in question USED to have an "always" on DSL connection, and since the pass through was enabled, it allowed for the connection to be established, due to a reboot of the server. the old firmware did not allow passthrough and as such, did not allow the ocnnection to be established.
February 13th, 2004, 05:09 AM
confus-ed

I'll just put this bit in big letters to get maximum inpact :eek2: ;)

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It has been solved.

And it apears to be my own fault

https://forums.windrivers.com/ :p ... happens to the best of us ! :devil: