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Okay, so the moderators might want to keep an eye on this one. PLEASE guys lets keep this informative rather than argumentative. I genuinely want to know people's opinions to this... so it's not really something that CAN be right or wrong, as nobody can say what anyone's opinion is other than their own, right?
Of the above, which is the MOST offensive to you:
Was there supposed to be a poll or am I just slow?
You're just fast. Your reply was here before I hit "SEND" on the poll! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by imaeditedbysowulo
It used to be religion when I was younger, now it's by far and away politics, especially the politics of the last 4 years. You need an option for all of the above!
I'm not really offended by any of them, but I don't like religion as a general principal...so there you go.
Other--I want all of the above. Someone aggressively trying to change anything about me. Aggressively being the key word.
Usually other i.e. Someone whos obstinate belief in a concept is outweighted by the relavent proof and still tries to persuade people of their cause.
Other.
Assuming that trying to convince others with a particular viewpoint is a negative thing. That is how discussions are made, why debates exist, and how groups of any kind acquire, retain and expand membership.
Most, if not all, of these things are very difficult to discuss in public, as in theory for each point made a counterpoint should be offered, yet in practice it doesn't work out that way if more than 2 people are debating.
I tend to agree with Ya_Know on this one, I can't think of any subject that I find universally offensive. What will offend me is when people want to shove thier opinion down my throat unasked or when they want to freely discuss their thoughts but reject yours without consideration.
this is so money! I get irritated because people can't the difference between professing belief and professing truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by cisco2
I have no problem if someone wants to tell me what they believe. . . . but I don't want to hear how their beliefs are right, and mine and everyone who doesn't agree with them are wrong.
Gypsies
Getting lied too.
For me its religion. I used to be a part of a religious cult many years ago called the Way Ministry. They promised me this and that and never delivered. They always had an answer for it saying "I didn't believe hard enough" or I "didn't study the Word enough" After two years I realized I'd been had and got out.
It reminded me years later of a friend of mine who inherited $5,000 and went to Vegas to bet on the Chargers for the Superbowl based on the advice of his fortune teller. I don't remember the other team off-hand but the other team won. When He got back and asked his fortune teller what happened, she replied that her 'medium' on the other side didn't like him gambling....
Always a correct answer, even if they're wrong. For me religious cults and fortune tellers use the same methods and achieve the same results... :eek2:
Its basically a con game... ;)
Man, you're so wrong and I can prove it...Quote:
Originally Posted by kato2274
Dianetics anyone... :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Orangeman
I don't find very much that can be discussed to be offensive if anything at all. The only thing that bothers me is people sticking with some notion of what is acceptable to discuss.
I'm sure you've heard, "There's certain things you don't talk about" or "We don't air our dirty laundry..." and all of that jazz. It kind of bugs me that people will avoid an issue for no real reason other than they were told at one point that it was "Taboo". It's those people that get upset about a simple discussion that offend my sensibilities in general.
Personally I can deal with someone who thinks I'm an idiot or just dead wrong but not the person who says, "I just don't want to talk about that". As if they were so afraid that their ears or eyes would burn up should they partake in the subject matter.
Why do any of these things have to be offensive at all? Unless you're insecure about them.
Personally anyone who believes what they do enough that they try to influence others is interesting. I take it as an intellectual challenge, unless they're one of those freaks we used to have on campus with the sandwich boards calling everyone "whore-monger". Those people were a riot to make fun of.
Yeah, that's what I was trying to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkstar
The reason it's offensive is because he said "aggessively". I'm open for any discussion or debate but some people don't know when to let up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkstar
Like the salesman that will not go away even after you said NO.
good point. Having been brought up, unsolicited sales calls to my home bug the bejeebus out of me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thunderwind
Putting my name on the national do not call list was the best thing I ever did. I get a cold call once or twice a month. And all I tell them is "I am on the list!" then hang up. They never call back... :thumbs:Quote:
Originally Posted by cisco2
I did the national call list then I did 1 better - I got rid of my phone and just have a cell phone. Never get any telemarketers now - it's not legal for them to call you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ya_know
Other...on Clammy's Poll it would be all of the above. Another thing that cheeses me is PETA people & wacko extremist environmentalist. :butt:
My mottos:
Beef...it's whats for dinner
Earth First...We'll mine the rest of the planets later!
:devil:
I like your style... :thumbs:Quote:
Originally Posted by Major Kong
I think that if you truly believe in something, then you will tell others about it.
Of course, if you are too pushy about it, people have a good reason not to listen to you.
i have to agree u shouldnt try to aggressively change anything about anybody, well only if u must :) , Does the end justify the means, ae we really here.....Quote:
Originally Posted by MobilePCPhysician
It's got to be all of the above for me, too.
I'm open for debate with anyone about more-or-less anything, but people who are agressive or insulting with their beliefs (you are going to die a horrible death because you don't belive XYZ are a prime candidate) really get up me nose.
I know that I've offended some people by simply saying "I'm an atheist," because they seem to think that it's some kind of personal affront to their religious convictions, but then I suppose you can't please everyone...
You know what I should have included in the above question...
"People aggressively trying to convert you to their OS platform"
Windows vs. Mac vs. Linux vs. the rest of them have produced some of the most passionate flamewars around... :D :D :D
Having all of these hot women hitting on me all of the time, it gets tiring trying to let them down easy all of the time. :grin:
Polls
And the people that make them up... :thumbs:Quote:
Originally Posted by gazzak
And people who post six times in a poll https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2006/04/1.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Ya_know
And Jitbob... :butt:Quote:
Originally Posted by jitBob
These same people also forget that they may be afronting your [un]beliefs by pushing their view.Quote:
Originally Posted by CodeDragon
I'm curious about something.
When does it become a personal affront to share your opinions with someone else, be it political, philosophical, religious or even child-rearing perspectives?
When the listener disagrees with the speaker?
When the other party communicates discomfort at talking about a specific topic?
When the speaker transgresses some invisible line?
When the listener says outright they don't wish to talk about it?
What is the magical point where another person's views become aggressive/offensive?
This is a good question. . . . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by a d e p t
. . . . . for me it's when the the other party in the discussion doesn't listen or respect my differing viewpoint(s) . . . . because when I sense that this is the case it's no longer a discussion (which I enjoy) but rather a sales pitch . . . . and I hate sales pitches in general . . but particularly religious or political sales pitches. . . . why should I respect what someone else has to say when it's clear they have no intention of listening to or respecting what I have to say.
. . . . . it's hard to say how I know this is the case, but it's just something that is easily sensed at the time. it's often a subtle difference, but a difference none the less. it's the difference between SHARING your beliefs, and trying to convert someone to them. if your purpose is to SHARE, you should be willing and anxious to hear what the other person wants to share, if your purpose is to convert, you aren't really even interested in sharing your beliefs but rather getting the other person to believe them too.
I guess it's easiest to say when judgement is involved is when I get turned off. If I may use christianity as an example. . . . . if someone wants to tell me how wonderful their life is because of their christian faith and also wants to hear about my thoughts on god and beliefs and compare/contrast them in meaningful and insightful dialouge, I'm all for it. But if they want to "save" me because my beliefs are wrong and sending me to hell, then they can just save their breath for someone else.
It becomes objectionable if the person being "spoken down to/lectured at" has undergone a trauma in one or more of thses catagories and/or the opinion given is uncaring/spiteful/hurtful/unsymapthetic/unfactual [for want of a better word]/unwanted or even where the opinion becomes in effect an order.Quote:
Originally Posted by a d e p t
Kato's post was very interesting, but this one is - I think - more accurate of the popular viewpoint on debating, discussing and communicating with others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Archer
I.E. - it's all a matter of perspective, and that mostly from the standpoint of the "listener".
How can one know if the other has suffered trauma or just disagrees?
Better yet, how can we impartially evaluate a speaker's intent when relying on our own sensory feedback and its accompanying influences?
I suggest that it is impossible not to offend someone, somewhere, at some time. No matter how sensitive you may wish to be, sometimes your words are not accepted with the intent you wished to carry with them.
Anyone in a romantic relationship will know what I mean here. https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif
What do you guys think?
As long as we speak in a conversatory mood and not talk/lecture as if we are on a television with an absent audience then its possible to pick up cues from body language and responses as to how to proceed with our conversation.Quote:
Originally Posted by a d e p t
After all even the worst stage performer knows when they are not pleasing the audience.
Given everyones personnel construsts are quite different due to experiences and cultures it is quite easily to offend a person and very hard to please all [unless they are a pre primed receptive audience i.e. a political convention] but to not try is an insult in itself.