I thought you'd all love to see this little gem of stupidity. It doesn't give enough detail to tell if the guy qualifies for a Darwin Award , but I'll bet he sings high soprano now :)
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I thought you'd all love to see this little gem of stupidity. It doesn't give enough detail to tell if the guy qualifies for a Darwin Award , but I'll bet he sings high soprano now :)
No , not Guns , this ;
"Walker told officers he was so drunk he had no idea how he managed to shoot himself and why he went to fetch the weapon. "
Guns don't Kill... Dumb *** people kill....
Crazy Brits....
http://www.opinion.telegraph.co.uk/o...ixopinion.html
Obviously the dumbness isn't just this one person...
I should add, for clarification, that I'm not an anti-gun nut. America'a collective love affair with its firearms is too deeply rooted to disappear in a hurry.
We Brits have little need of guns for the most part, none of our wildlife is big enough to regard us as a tasty snack (we killed all the wolves and bears centuries ago).
This case is just another one of alcohol lowering the IQ, which was probably smaller than his shoe size to begin with :)
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Originally Posted by Jeff the Brit
I've always given credit to the UK for not being big on guns . :thumbs2:
We in Canada are big on guns ... We just are not big on shooting each other...
I dig guns... sometimes they're just cool. Like those big guns on a battleship. I don't really like the extremists, though (extreme gun nut or anti-gun) Sometimes they're just amazing pieces of machinery and sometimes useful tools, which are too often not handled properly
See , thats where that guy messed up , if he had got on a BattleShipQuote:
Originally Posted by thefork8
stood in front of a gun and pulled the trigger thier wouldn't be much mess (nothing a water hose wouldn't take care of :D ) or any jail time or paying a lawyer ;)
He was jailed for 5 years? What for, gross stupidity?
I don't get it....why jail him at all?Quote:
Originally Posted by gazzak
Just let him live with the pain, he's already removed himself from the gene pool.
So I take it your government is totally willing and able to protect you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff the Brit
Wait a minute, that's right. UK basically outlawed self-defence.
Not attempting to turn this political, but I just don't understand the "collective disdain" for firearms that the Brits have. And I categorically do not trust law enforcement or government to defend my life or property if need be.
It's quite simple, guns are noisy and expensive and we prefer quiet.
I am a good shot... Guns are good for hunting and target shooting. Defending yourself against someone who has a gun is difficult, even if you have one yourself.
If guns are banned except for specific purposes, then it stands to reason the guy with the gun in a street is a baddie (unless he is wearing kevlar and a police uniform).
In places where guns are held by all, how do you tell which one is the bad guy? By his accent? his dress?
Actually I think its beer thats dangerous.
Problem is, it's just as hard to find to GOOD guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by NooNoo
I dunno about the UK, but in the States, there's basically a judicial ruling stating that police forces have no legal obligation to protect individual citizens. Original ruling was in Washington DC (Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C.App. 1981) ; 24 other states have pursued the same course.
And what's worse, records show that law enforcement is not any more effective at positively ID'ing suspects, and frequently are careless with their OWN firearms.
So the question then goes back to my point: Who's responsible for my safety/security? Me, or "the man"?
How does a gun make you safer ?
"They pull a knife, I pull a gun
They put one of mine in the hospital, I put one of them in the morgue"
That is the American way.
If you can make it past my .44, then you take me, but this is my stuff, my loved ones, and you ain't gonna touch it
You are, but you don't need a gun to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraflyer
Yes, but it does help get the point across.... :thumbs2:Quote:
Originally Posted by NooNoo
So if you both had knifes no one would die.... Thanks for making my argument for meQuote:
Originally Posted by Cleetus
You sure about that :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Escape_Driver
In your little story only the guy getting shot by the 44 diesQuote:
Originally Posted by Cleetus
OK, so what do you prefer?Quote:
Originally Posted by NooNoo
There's a huge difference between close-quarters combat, and having the ability to stop a baddie when they're still 10-12 feet away.
You are assuming that engaging the baddie is the best form of defence. 10 to 12 feet I would consider close quarters.
Maybe you guys can help me out .... Why does Canada not have the gun Violence that you have in the USA ??? We have lots of guns so why the difference.... I'm not trying to come across is holyier than you... I just wonder where the difference is ??
Attitude and habit I think...Escape Driver
I agree 100%...[Looks over shoulder for colliding planets]Quote:
Originally Posted by techs
It's only so in Michael Moore Movies... :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Escape_Driver
damn that reminds me I need to buy more guns before we get invaded by the terrorists
theres going to be a war on US soil soon I need to get ready
YepQuote:
Originally Posted by Escape_Driver
Well, the fact that a gun is available to a law-abiding citizen will curb crime. Additionally, a gun being brought to a knife fight (in self defense of course, as if someone tries to jack you from your car with a knife, and you pull your gun out from underneath the seat) stands to reason that it will eliminate the need to shoot anyone, as they dude with the knife will crap his pants or just run away typically.Quote:
Originally Posted by NooNoo
I've told this story a few times before here, I'll do it again: a neighbor of my dad's was renting the house, been there for only about 2 months...when a former renter showed up in the middle of the night to get his "stuff" out of the garage…he broke in through the bay door. The perp. was high and drunk, and somewhat unconscionable about his actions. The guy living there heard what was going on and pulled out his piece. At the same moment the perp was entering the house from the garage access door he was meet with the barrel of the law-abiding resident’s gun. Literally the only mess he needed to clean up was the piss that drained out of the guys pants while he waited very politely for the resident to call the police while holding him there at gunpoint. All this went on while his very pretty 12 year old daughter lay sound asleep, completely unaware anything had happened until the next morning when her dad broke the news.
Guns don’t kill, Guns protect good people!
Isn't there one happening already in the 52nd state of Iraq? :devil:Quote:
Originally Posted by +Daemon+
NooNoo - 10 to 12 feet I would not say is close quarters. Close quarter combat is when you're close enough to touch each other.
I can't bring myself to type it, but I almost agree with you.... there did it. :thumbs2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ya_know
I'm pretty certain that if someone pulled a piece on me, it would change my point of view very rapidly.....
Yep, I want another gun, now the .44 special will mess someone up but being a fluted barrel police issue revolver, I can't shoot it too much as the rounds are expensive and too hot to put too many through it at once to be really good with it. The .22 rifle is just a small varment and target gun. Needs me a .45 or a 9 and also a shotgun
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Originally Posted by corturbra
Exactly, 10 to 12 feet is a realistic shooting range, meaning that you really don't have to use the sights to take someone down, and you shouldn't be splattered either, yet it’s a viable self defense claim. Anything beyond that becomes a meticulous effort, in that you have to actually calm yourself down in order to get off accurate shots, get into an aiming position, and fire faster then your opponent will, or faster then he is running at you. Anything over 30 feet becomes much more complicated in that the slightest misalignment or other circumstance will force you to completely miss you're target. Additionally at that distance, you are more vulnerable to an aggravated assault charge, for the simple reason being that this form of self defense was probably not necessary, unless the perp had a gun, or was moving at you at an alarming rate, and that his intentions were to kill you, or someone you wished to protect.
Close quarters is hand to hand combat, plain and simple.
I gather that US cops frequently miss when shooting at baddies, even at very close range. If cops, who are trained to shoot, get in regular range time and have rather more experience of stressful siituations than most of the public, can miss, how do you regular gun owners feel about your chances of hitting a baddie? I'm thinking here of a street situation, mugging etc when you are jumped by a baddie waving a knife or a gun rather than the finding a burglar in your home scenario where you might have more time to grab a gun and aim carefully.
I didn't intend to start a gun thread :) it was just a funny story of idiocy.
Really good, I would presume. But then when the time comes that I am faced with the choice of killing someone in order to save a life, or my own, I don't want to be thinking about why I didn't have a gun in my hand at the time. I will be much better off with the gun locked and loaded...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff the Brit
You probably wouldn't have to hit. One look of the gun would be enough for 80% to turn and run, 19% would run hard at the sound of the gun going off, the remaining 1% probably wouldn't stop if hit anyways....Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff the Brit
One thing that was missed before the thread got hijacked.....people were wondering why the law was so hard on the guy, as he'd already shot himself in the sack.
I'm wondering why the law was so easy on him. It sure sounds like he inteded to blast his friend with that shutgun. He was arguing with the guy, then went home to grab his gun, then came back....and obviously the gun was loaded. He probably even had it cocked on the way back to the pub. Any cop around here would instantly realize he planned to walk into the bar, pull his gun, and blast his friend in the chest...or head, or gut, etc. Maybe I'm just too American, but that's the way I see it.
This all harkens back to a time in late 1982 when the local cops refused to do anything about a fella stalking my soon to be wife (the whole story is as true and scary as any you may want to hear - my wife still has nightmares to this day). That's OK though she emptied a .38 Calibur S/W into his torso when he broke into the house with a 30-30 Rifle to kill my soon to be wife and son, but not until after he tortured them (the gags, ropes, bags and shovel were all neatly arranged in the basement). His detailed plan was in his truck. He had told several people what he had planned to do, but noone believed he was really going to do it. Luckily it takes a couple more seconds to pull a rifle around the corner of a doorway and aim than it does to aim and shoot a .38.