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I thought it was pretty ironic that the democrats had Moore sitting up there in a prominent position with Jimmy Carter. A really Un-American American sitting next to a really bad president.
I think Moore is Pro-American and Carter was a great president.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaxSon
Just why is questioning those in charge un-American?Quote:
Originally Posted by JaxSon
I agree on Moore I'm to young to remeber Carter.... If you say anything is wrong you are anti-american....Quote:
Originally Posted by edball
The partial interview s*cked.
Lets not forget the facts:
9-11 commission said no evidence Saddam involved in 9-11 and no evidence he had recent contacts with al-qaeda.
9-11 commission said no wmd's were found.
9-11 commission said the war against islamic fundamentalism is ideological not military and we are losing.
9-11 committee said our intelligence service structure is a mess almost three years after 9-11.
9-11 commission said the intelligence services failed us on 9-11.
The 9-11 commission specifically said they avoided the Bushes role in starting the war.
Bush led us to believe Saddam was involved in 9-11.
Bush said Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. So he obviously never looked at the evidence. Just took Tenets word for it.
Bush said for months after the war we would find wmd so he still didn't look at the evidence.
Bush praised Tenet to the hilt when he left despite Tenets failures before and after 9-11.
Bush needed the 9-11 commission to tell him the intelligence services were a mess. He was the last person in the country to find this out. Well, maybe Cheney was the last.
Bush has held no one accountable for 9-11 failure or Iraqi intelligence failure.
Bush has been a terrible admistrator. The 9-11 commission, which he appointed, came out and said his handling of terrorism is completely wrong. That he doesn't understand the nature of the war.
And the hearings that absolutely should have been held into the intelligence failures leading up to the Iraq war will not happen til after the election.
Bush=Failure.
Careful tech they'll call you anti-american if you keep that up.
P.S I agree with you
Patriotism is the last refuge of the incompetent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Escape_Driver
And the first refuge would be?Quote:
Originally Posted by techs
Well, for Bush it seems to be smear tactics.Quote:
Originally Posted by jitBob
The second rule of freedom: Question authority.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleetus
I apologize. I re-read the thread and it was JaxSon calling Moore un-american.Quote:
Originally Posted by jitBob
So I will re-phrase.
The first refuge for supporters of an incompetent President is patriotism.
I actually saw the interview on Fox and to be completely honest Moore came off as a buffoon. That being said O'Reilly didn't come off as a grand man of the 5th Estate either. In all I would score it 15-14 with a close decision going to O'Reilly. I will say that it was enjoyable watching them jab, parry and bob at each other with both of them trying to deliver the ultimate knockout haymaker and neither coming close. What was supposed to be a heavyweight battle of the ages was more like a girlie man slap fest. :D
girlie man slap fest?Quote:
Originally Posted by Major Kong
Nice phrase.
Moore's points sucked in that interview! All he came up with was would you send a child to get killed? The U.S. has a volunteer military which means that those who join do so of their own free will and if they later say yeah but I didn't want to go to war I only joined for the GI bill then I say tough @*&! you knew the conditions before you volunteered. The war was to remove someone from power who killed his own people, was trying to help Al-Queda, and was trying to obtain wmd all things that the rest of the world has said is unexceptable under Saddam's leadership. Moore tried to turn it in to a moral issue yet when Bill C. got caught lying his shorts off over sexual infedility it was a personal issue between Bill and Hillary. What a two faced flip flop!
No one died because of the blowjobQuote:
Originally Posted by nunob
You are aware O'Reilly has his staff talking to him in his earpiece helping him out? And that O'Reilly is a professional on air person and Moore is a director?
I would have assumed O'Reilly should win.
His vice president was in charge of transportation safety at the time and was told of the possibility of terrorists doing something similar to 9/11 but the two wankers were to busy with bj's to do anything about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleetus
First, wheither the child volunteered or not, it is still a child.Quote:
Originally Posted by nunob
Second, when you say: "The war was to " you should have said: "The war was supposed to be because of"
Third, lying over assault with a friendly weapon is hardly the same as lying about the reasons to go to war and have people die.
Bush lied, people died.
Any man with control of that many nukes I want to be making sure he's getting blown.... ALOT..... I want him to be relaxedQuote:
Originally Posted by Cleetus
Clinton got a BJ from a cubby intern...
JFK had a set of twins and was nailing Marilyn Monroe...
LOL I miss the old days
Who says Democrats don't know how to have fun! https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Escape_Driver
But Moore has done these interviews many times, over many of the same topics, he’s always prepared. He is a spin doctor, and ran around the answers left and right, he’s good at placating his aggressor because he’s so used to being the antagonist, but that’s about the extent of it. I do agree with the Major, in that O’Rily didn't deliver any knock out blow...never the less, Moore couldn't come up with a thing. He said he still thinks that Bush is a liar over the WMD’s, yet he's been proven wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by techs
And the part about sending someone’s own kid to war…when a child becomes 18 and decides he/she’s a man/woman, and wants to defend this country as a member of the armed services, they cease to be a child. They are also not the responsibility of the parent any longer, the US Government will take the responsibility. If a parent doesn’t want their children to join, they have the opportunity to protest with their kids, but ultimately the decision is not the parents, and remember that it is a voluntary hitch. So just where was Moore trying to take that anyway?
18 you become adult right? If not then when do you become old enough to make descions on your own? 20? 30? or maybe when they see things your way eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by jitBob
At 18 you are numericly an adult. How many are actually capable of making life and death decisions?Quote:
Originally Posted by nunob
Could you easily make the decision to send very young people into harms way. Wouldn't you have some worry/doubt/regret about doing it? Especially if the reason wasn't cut and dried, black and white, beyond the shadow of a doubt, could you?
Then why aren't 18 year olds then responsible enough to drink or rent cars?
So are you saying once your child is 18 you are no longer going to have any protective feelings or care about them in harms way?
If I had seen the video of Sadam's military killy 3106 people and shoving their bodies into a whole in the ground and dumping chemicals over the bodies to make the decompose faster and mask the smell then hell yeah I could. Is it ok for him to kill over 3100 people? Or perhaps it only matters when they kick your door down and drag you into the street rape and kill your family in front of you then kill you? I assert that at this point its to late to do something about it.
I would always care but if they join the military of their own free will I also would support their descion and respect them for doing whats right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleetus
And not mind them dieing in a preemptive war that was sold to us on false reasoning?
It would bother me if my children died for any reason but its alot easier to swallow that they died to provide you the right to express your views on this than if some terrorist flew a plane into a building and killed them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleetus
I had no qualms about the decision that I had made when I joined the Marines. I did it knowing the ramifications, and there was no doubt in my mind that I could have been signing my own death warrant. I was 18, and sure of what I was doing, and did it.Quote:
Originally Posted by jitBob
One of the reasons I left the Marines was simply this, as you start putting on rank, (I made it to Sergeant, E-5) you were responsible for the men and women below you. Sure it wasn’t a command like a company or battalion CO, but it still became a higher part of the chain, where life and death decisions might need to be made with someone else’s life on the line. If I had to do it at the time I would have done my best, and hoped for the best…but when faced with the decision to leave I chose that instead of putting men’s lives in harms way. It just wasn’t anything I personally wanted to be responsible for, thank goodness I never have to do it.
Since so much of these debates are more on the personality of the President being a stupid man, and that he isn’t in charge, and all of that crap…I will give you my personal belief of GWB. I don’t think for one second that he ever wanted to put a soldiers boot on the ground in Iraq until it was absolutely necessary to defend our way of life. He just wouldn’t want that for anyone.
What he did at the time was deemed necessary by intelligence and other fact gathering agencies. Saddam had to go, and we had to send troops in to do it. That was not a decision Bush took lightly, I assure you all that doubt.
No one said that, what was said was that as a man, your child should be allowed to make his own decisions. You are there to assist, and perhaps coheres if your needs should supersede, but ultimately, you have to let go. You never have to stop loving the child, just respect them man and his decision. This isn't a parents decision after all...it's the mans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleetus
There is a very wide distance in maturity between one 18 year old and another..
I've worked with 18 year olds who couldn't tie there own shoes...
Letting go of your child is not an easy thing to do. They become men and must make their own decisions. I can respect that, as my own son just turned 18. However I love him so dearly that I will react to any decision that may harm or kill him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ya_know
What do you mean by "coheres"?
Some 18 year olds can make that desision.... Some I would trust in a tank or with a gun..... Alot I wouldn't trust with a potato gun....Quote:
Originally Posted by Ya_know
Some 18 year olds that are morons join the military and have a total makeover they become productive responsible human beings. Then their are the others like my step brother who was thrown out of the airforce because he was incapable of being responsible thats what boot camp is for to weed out those who aren't mature enough to handle it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Escape_Driver
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Originally Posted by jitBob
tr.v. co·erced, co·erc·ing, co·erc·es
To force to act or think in a certain way by use of pressure, threats, or intimidation; compel.
To dominate, restrain, or control forcibly: coerced the strikers into compliance. See Synonyms at force.
To bring about by force or threat: efforts to coerce agreement.
I think we should draft people who make over 250,000$ per year into the army... Can you imagine the changes that would come about...
I would be happy to go today and I've already billed over 300k this year in my biz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Escape_Driver