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So, do you really think it is liberal, or just an idea shoved down our throats so much that in turn it has totally affected how the news is reported, or whatever...
Me, I think the media has a slant to the right, depending on what it is you are talking about. But for the most part, the right has more and louder voices out there and own more outlets.
What many people do not seem to understand is that the media has a slant to the "bottom".........bottom line that is. They are motivate only by the dollar. They will broadcast or print only those news items that are sensational enough to interest the maximum number of readers/viewers so they can continue to up their advertising rates. If that means having a liberal or conservative slant to their stories then so be it. Until now most of the media may have had a liberal slant because they know that the majority of Americans will tune in if provoked. Fox News has taken a slightly different angle by having a convervative slant and playing to conservative feelings/fears. Either way they get viewers and stay profitable.
Personally, I prefer the Christian Science Monitor and Wall Street Journal for news, simply because their focus is on something other than gaining more readers. I generally avoid televised news because the reporting is very shallow and tries to pass off opinions as analysis.
Sad how everyone voting on liberal, can't express why, maybe it is cause you have had that drilled into your head so often you blindly believe it without ever figuring it out for yourself?
I think that it varies depending on the type of outlet that the news is coming from. I do think that the network news is slanted to the left. As for Cable news channels, I think that CNN and Fox news are slanted about the same, just on oppisite sides. As for MSNBC, people would have to watch it for it to be considered a media outlet. :p
As to talk radio, I do think that it is very right wing. The talk radio industry really seemed to gain steam during the beginning of the clinton years, as a backlash to what was seen on the nightly news. I also think that the hosts were very good at getting a reaction and making people want to listen in. It also seems that the majority of talk radio listeners are in the midwest, which the conservitive outlook is more in line with everyday life (my opinion). I do think that the left needs better hosts if they are looking to swing the balance of talk radio. Arrogant blowhards like Al franken do nothing for the cause, they actually trun more people to the other side.
I think it's you that's been drilled all too often...but not in the head...Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleetus
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Originally Posted by Cleetus
Maybe its because you are wrong?
That is the best you can come up with, that maybe I am wrong?
I have yet to see any proof of this overwhelming liberal slant
Turn on any channel other than FOX...that's your proof!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleetus
I do, and I can't find the leftist leanings. I found during the 90's a lot of stories against Clinton. I found a lot of stories perpetrating the lies begun by the GOP spin machine against Gore. I found a lot of positve news for Bush, no hard questions against him. I find he gets off easier then Clinton did. And for some reason I know that Kerry is a flip-flopper but I don't know whyQuote:
Originally Posted by Ya_know
Cleetus,
If you have time, read through some of this website:
Bias?
Lost all interest when at the very top they have a quote from Sean Hannity. And it seems to be only looking for a "liberal" media with no mentions of all the "right" skews.
Try offsetting this with maybe some Al Frankin or Robert Reich(Reason)
That's a shame that you won't even check it out just because of Hannity, but that's your right and I respect that. But, that would be like me immediately tuning out Tom Brokaw or Dan Rather, which I have a strong inkling to do, but I will USUALLY listen to them and then go out for myself and find the facts. It's always good to listen to what the other side is saying, but you (all of us) need to go out for yourself and get the whole story. Sometimes it means you have to gather all the info from many sources and make your own opinion. That's what I try to do when there is a topic I'm interested in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleetus
I guess what I'm saying is that I would prefer just to receive the facts from the "news" outlet, and let me draw my own opinion. Unfortunately, I have found that is nearly impossible, so I must work to find many sources and do it myself.
(does that make sense? kinda lost my train of thought. sorry)
IMHO I think it is somewhere in between. That being said I will add that historically in the US the Print Media has been somewhat more liberal. Not that there is anything wrong with that. In DC, NOVA and SM you have two daily papers. The Washington Post which is liberal and the Washington Times which is conservative. Now I always enjoyed the Times better when I was a wee lad in Central Virginia because the Sports section and Comics were better (I don't know if it is still true). Where I used to live (Tucson, AZ) is one of the few places that still has 2 Daily Newspapers. The morning paper has a liberal edge to it and the evening paper has a conservative edge. The truth be known they actually blurred on most topics. Again I liked the evening paper better because I left for work before the morning paper was delivered (that and I got blindsided in the early 90's on a story that the AM paper ran on Pb poisoning and they never printed a retraction although the other papers in AZ did https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/02/1.gif).
I actually watch very little of CNN, Fox News, MSNBC or any other of the cable channels. Most of it comes from newspapers I read throughout the US.
1. Anchorage Daily News
2. Richmond Times-Dispatch - since I was a kid
3. Tucson Citizen
4. Washington Times and Post
5. Bristol Herald-Courier
6. Kingsport Times
7. Wall Street Journal
8. Arizona Republic
As pmetal said above I look and research topics that pique my interest. I have a bad habit of trying to find out the real story for myself, just not depend on what someone is telling me. https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2006/04/1.gif
So what about the AP network, how do yall feel about that
I think the real problem with this thread is defining the words liberal and conservative.
Kerry is not a liberal. He is a Democrat. There is quite a difference.
The media has a conservative influence overall, but it is more or less evenly biased between Democrats and Republicans, with the exception of smaller, independent media which are all over the spectrum.
The ONE thing I am convinced the USA is doing RIGHT is that free speech is still allowed in the press, although that is eroding slowly, mainly because it's not as popular as it is necessary...
Actually, you got that backwards. Kerry's not a Democrat, he's a liberal!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Wayward Clam
I didn't know the AP had it's own network?! We don't get it up here, is it new?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleetus
If your talking about the Associated Press, United Press International, Reuters, etc. I think it depends on the event, or story if you wish, that is being covered. A lot of times in some of the smaller dailies all you will see is more of a telegraph type of story...Volcano blows in Alaska...Soot covers Anchorage. If you want the story in more detail you would go to the local paper. In some cases I have found the little weekly local papers to be as informative as the big boys. Also one of the thing to remember about the AP - they are set up as a service that supplies the stories. As I said above living in a city with 2 papers is most interesting. The same "story" might be headline material in both papers and they both might use the AP or UPI byline, but the telling of the story is different and what is in the meat of the story would be different. Sometimes you were left wondering whether it was the same event at all.
Actually I think you and Clammy are both right...he's a Liberal Democrat. That's his stance. He represents the whole Democratic Party - but that's not to say all Dems are liberal. Bush is a Conservative Republican. That's his stance. Right now he represents the GOP - but again that's not to say all Reps are conservative.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ya_know
Each party has it core members who are going to vote the party line no matter what. In that instance the lines are pretty much drawn. The difference maker is going to be the moderate folks in this country (the largest of all factions). How their reed bends in the wind will tell the tale the next 3 months.
Actually I think you misunderstand both of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Major Kong
I don't think there is such a thing as a serious US Presidential candidate who is actually "liberal". The Republicans are conservative, and the Democrats are "conservative lite" IMNSHO.
Ya_Know seems to disagree with me, but I confess I don't have any idea what his rationale is, other than we disagree on almost everything else. :D I am sure he'd be happy to explain it to you if you asked him though.
Besides picking out teh Ya_k all the time clammie, WTF do you really know about what is happening in the USA? Are you a closet Americaphile, or what? No, I would say Americaphobe. Seems to me to be the latest "trend" anyway. So, what the hey, just go along with it and bash America constantly from Canada, where you are all sorts of safe because of your dearly behated neighbor.https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/02/1.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Wayward Clam
Damn man: you live in Canada, and most Americans don't have as much to say about American politics as you do. Where do YOU get all your opinions from? Reuters, or AP? Or....Cleetus? https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif Exactly when the hell as any Canadian had anything to say EVER that was worldly important? And don't bring up Inferno, please.....https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif
I hate Canada... :p
TripleRLtd, you'll be (un)happy to know that some of my best friends are Americans. I don't bash the USA--I DO bash your government and your big business, and some of your popular culture. Where do I get all of my opinions from? News, political satire, books, the internet, and political discussions, about 50% of which comes from the USA.Quote:
Originally Posted by TripleRLtd
When the hell has any Canadian ever had anything to say that was worldly important?
Everything I say is more worldly important than what you have to say. :p
I've been wondering, is there any news anchors left that you can trust to get the real honest to goodness news from? Tom Brokaw? Peter Jennings? Dan Rather? Etc.. Are these news people you can trust to get your news from?
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Originally Posted by Wayward Clam
Just like: I don't bash Canada, I just like to bash all the Canadians that live there. :thumbs:
That's okay, you're Texan. Some famous Texans have already taught us it's safe to ignore pretty much anything you have to say on international politics. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zil
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Originally Posted by Wayward Clam
Yeah, Cleetus really messed it up for all of us. :sad: :sad:
And then you say:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wayward Clam
So???Quote:
Originally Posted by clamman
NOW you criticise both Texans AND all Americans??? Come on now clammie!! WTF do YOU know about US that noone else knows???https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/02/1.gif
First off, this is not a new thread or poll, it's obviously something Cleetus started up so he can start a fight with anyone who disagrees with him because he is wrong. Fox News and CNN not counting, the news is sensationalized as KINGofBLEH said. Talk radio is not news, although they sometimes report non-political news they are just as they say, Talk Radio is where people share their opinions so it shouldn't really even be considered news. Newspapers, some are good, some not so good, depends on if the people who write the newspaper you read are actually writing about what they have witnessed or just making stuff up like many reporters that have left the NY Times.
Get your non-political news from wherever you want, get your political information from everywhere, toss it in a blender and see what comes out. For lazy people that don't want to do that this website comes pretty close http://www.factcheck.org/
Tony
PS Oh and Wayward Clam can talk about whatever countries' politics he wants, we forgive you for being canadian :p
Whatever dude, I am so wrong, you convinced me by telling me and babbling on about stupid **** and not really proving anything. I see the media(not just the news, but the media) as having a much more right leaning then the so called myth of a "liberal media"
I guess it depends where you live also.
The entire province where I live is so far left it's starting to topple over socially.
Wait... there was that time when... no... wait... it'll come to me...Quote:
Originally Posted by Wayward Clam
Err... aaah... fuggedaboutit. https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif
:p
Yer quoting the wrong dude, dude!Quote:
Originally Posted by a d e p t
Looks like the votes are heavily weighing towards the liberal bias. Not even close. I wonder why...
They have been brain washed by the right :devil:Quote:
Originally Posted by JaxSon
So over the past two weeks the roommates and I have been watching ABC's world news as well as at least one channels local news(the one with the mega hot chicks ;) ) at night. So you have me, then a super conservative Rep roommate and a libertarian roommate. I have been trying my hardest to find the "liberal" spin on the show and other then a sigh or two we haven't been able to find it. Now I am just talking about the news portions.
I have watched the news portions of Fox as well, and they really aren't that bad, same with C-span or just the news parts of CNN, I really haven't seen a difference. Now the problem with Fox, some print and the talk-radio-media is when you get to the editorial parts. Here is where we all agree it isn't as much news anymore, which of course it shouldn't be. But, honestly this is where many people are taking a shine to news and to ways of thinking as it fits their own styles.
Opinions of morality, sex, violence, welfare, tax and so forth have their catch phrases spun out from these places making it into the mainstream and cloud up the debate.
So yeah, I am still standing by with my assertion that the media is a bit more to the right then to the left.