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WABASHA, MN (AP) - With a State Patrol airplane overhead, a Stillwater motorcyclist hit the throttle and possibly set the informal record for the fastest speeding ticket in Minnesota history: 205 mph.

On Saturday afternoon, State Patrol pilot Al Loney was flying near Wabasha, in southeastern Minnesota on the Wisconsin border, watching two motorcyclists racing along U.S. Highway 61.

When one of the riders shot forward, Loney was ready with his stopwatch. He clicked it once when the motorcycle reached a white marker on the road and again a quarter-mile later. The watch read 4.39 seconds, which Loney calculated to be 205 mph.

"I was in total disbelief," Loney told the St. Paul Pioneer Press for Tuesday's editions. "I had to double-check my watch because in 27 years I'd never seen anything move that fast."

Several law enforcement sources told the newspaper that, although no official records are kept, it was probably the fastest ticket ever written in the state.

After about three-quarters of a mile, the biker slowed to about 100 mph and let the other cycle catch up. By then Loney had radioed ahead to another state trooper, who pulled the two over soon afterward.

The State Patrol officer arrested the faster rider, 20-year-old Stillwater resident Samuel Armstrong Tilley, for reckless driving, driving without a motorcycle license - and driving 140 miles per hour over the posted speed limit of 65 mph.

A search of speeding tickets written by state troopers, who patrol most of the state's highways, between 1990 and February 2004 shows the next fastest ticket was for 150 mph in 1994 in Lake of the Woods County.

Tilley did not return calls from the newspaper to his home Monday. A working number for him could not immediately be found by The Associated Press on Tuesday.

Only a handful of exotic sports cars can reach 200 mph, but many high-performance motorcycles can top 175 mph. With minor modifications, they can hit 200 mph. Tilley was riding a Honda 1000, Loney said.

Kathy Swanson of the state Office of Traffic Safety said unless Tilley was wearing the kind of protective gear professional motorcycle racers wear, he was courting death at 200 mph.

"I'm not entirely sure what would happen if you crashed at 200 miles per hour," Swanson said. "But it wouldn't be pretty, that's for sure."



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Originally Posted by firemonkey

"I'm not entirely sure what would happen if you crashed at 200 miles per hour," Swanson said. "But it wouldn't be pretty, that's for sure."_

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Do the words greasy stain come to mind? https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif

The guy must be longing for a Darwin award.

He was going fast, but 205 is an exaggeration. There are numerous people that know way more about bikes than I do saying that the top speed for the bike he was on is 170. According to 3 different high performance bike shops in the area that were on the news last night, they all said it would have take atleast 25,000 dollars in upgrades to get that bike to go that fast. Not trying to argue Zip, just putting out the facts.

I think the saddest part is that this punk's father is a sargent in a local police force. I bet he is hearing about it at work! :sad:

from my understanding he did have leathers on (not sure about helmet) but if he had a helmet and leathers he would survive the crash. I have seen guys walk away from 100mph just a little soar.

personaly ,,i am gettin a bit old for speed although i did clock a camera @84 mph on this m,,,

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this is 50 yr old ,,,semi rigid suspension ,,,,and frightening

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Originally Posted by Camaro80z

He was going fast, but 205 is an exaggeration. There are numerous people that know way more about bikes than I do saying that the top speed for the bike he was on is 170. According to 3 different high performance bike shops in the area that were on the news last night, they all said it would have take atleast 25,000 dollars in upgrades to get that bike to go that fast. Not trying to argue Zip, just putting out the facts.

I think the saddest part is that this punk's father is a sargent in a local police force. I bet he is hearing about it at work! :sad:

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That was also reported that he DID mod his bike, I never saw a dollar amout however. but regardless when you go from 1/4 mile marker to 1/4 mile marker in that time twice it can't really be disputed.

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Originally Posted by firemonkey

from my understanding he did have leathers on (not sure about helmet) but if he had a helmet and leathers he would survive the crash. I have seen guys walk away from 100mph just a little soar.

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Colin Edwards jumped off a bike in MotoGP last year that lit on fire when he was doing between 160-170 and I believe did the race the next day. The old Aprilia fireball

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Originally Posted by firemonkey

That was also reported that he DID mod his bike, I never saw a dollar amout however. but regardless when you go from 1/4 mile marker to 1/4 mile marker in that time twice it can't really be disputed.

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It was slightly modded, and there is no way he had nearly the money into it needed for that speed. The second clocking was supposedly at about 190.

The speed was estimated by a stopwatch. Who says the person measuring it clicked it off a little early? To do 205 mph, the time for 1/4 would be 4.39 seconds. If he was a tenth of a second late starting the watch, that would lower make the speed 5 mph more than it actually was. The same could be happen to click it off a little early. Also the angle from the air can make the points look different, since he was judging going over 100 mph himself. Remember, the only thing we are going by for speed is the troopers' hand eye coodination and a stopwatch. :thumbs:

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Originally Posted by Camaro80z

He was going fast, but 205 is an exaggeration. There are numerous people that know way more about bikes than I do saying that the top speed for the bike he was on is 170. According to 3 different high performance bike shops in the area that were on the news last night, they all said it would have take atleast 25,000 dollars in upgrades to get that bike to go that fast. Not trying to argue Zip, just putting out the facts.

I think the saddest part is that this punk's father is a sargent in a local police force. I bet he is hearing about it at work! :sad:

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You sure the guy didn't have one wheel off of the ground while he was doing those speeds? It's possible if you extend the drag coefficient, while eliminating 50% of the ground friction coefficient, thus go faster then the equipment was designed to go? Purelly on assumption I might add.

So basically these guys are disputing that the difference of 35 MPH constant top speed from the stock rocket would take $25000? Where did they get their information from, Motor Trend? Fact is, you can assert anything you want, but to be right, they would need to see the bike, and test it. Don’t give me any of that horsesh!t about years of experience, and knowing the equipment…they just wanted to get on TV and defend another wackjob so he can get out of the ticket…It’s a brotherhood, and they are doing their part.

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Originally Posted by Ya_know

…It’s a brotherhood, and they are doing their part.

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Right wing conspiracy? https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif

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Originally Posted by Camaro80z

Remember, the only thing we are going by for speed is the troopers' hand eye coodination and a stopwatch. :thumbs:

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Yeah, I'll give you that. But aren't you just another wackjob speedfreek like the rest of those turkeys??? :eek2: Seems like you are investing a lot of time trying to dispute what this guy can and can’t do with his bike, yet you overlooked the bottom line. He was at MINIMUM, 100 MPH OVER the posted speed limit, no matter what stop watch trick you try to pull…

If I was the cops, I wouldn’t have ticketed him, I would have given him a full tank of gas, cleared the road for exactly 100 miles, and told him that if he didn’t get to the checkpoint within exactly 30 minutes that I would shoot him in the head. You want a rush, how about a .44 between the eyes, you dumb phuck!

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Originally Posted by Ya_know

You sure the guy didn't have one wheel off of the ground while he was doing those speeds? It's possible if you extend the drag coefficient, while eliminating 50% of the ground friction coefficient, thus go faster then the equipment was designed to go? Purelly on assumption I might add.

So basically these guys are disputing that the difference of 35 MPH constant top speed from the stock rocket would take $25000? Where did they get their information from, Motor Trend? Fact is, you can assert anything you want, but to be right, they would need to see the bike, and test it. Don’t give me any of that horsesh!t about years of experience, and knowing the equipment…they just wanted to get on TV and defend another wackjob so he can get out of the ticket…It’s a brotherhood, and they are doing their part.

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By having the wheels up, you add to the drag by showing the underside of the machine. You also put more downforce on the rear, which is some cases can actually slow the momentum by having the energy and weight shifting backwards. Also, too much weight on the back wheel will slow down wheel speed.

As to the experts, the ones that I saw were from dealerships and shops that actually work and sell these bikes. I know that a couple of them actually build bikes for road racing with similar models, so they have the parts to make a bike go that fast. By saying it is that costly, they are hurting business. I think they would make more money out of it if there was a cheap way to make that type of power, because there are plenty of punks that want the absolute fastest bike out there.

You also need to know that it does not matter if he was doing 100 or 200, the ticket is the same if you are more than 30 mph over the limit. Also, the more serious charge is the reckless driving, which the speed you are going does not matter.

BTW, it is nice to have a topic with a serious discussion again. :thumbs:

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Originally Posted by Ya_know

Yeah, I'll give you that. But aren't you just another wackjob speedfreek like the rest of those turkeys??? :eek2: Seems like you are investing a lot of time trying to dispute what this guy can and can’t do with his bike, yet you overlooked the bottom line. He was at MINIMUM, 100 MPH OVER the posted speed limit, no matter what stop watch trick you try to pull…

If I was the cops, I wouldn’t have ticketed him, I would have given him a full tank of gas, cleared the road for exactly 100 miles, and told him that if he didn’t get to the checkpoint within exactly 30 minutes that I would shoot him in the head. You want a rush, how about a .44 between the eyes, you dumb phuck!

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I am a drag racer, not an idiot. I have never recieved a speeding ticket or put anyone's life at risk on the road. I have never raced on the street, and I never will. My friends joke about me driving like a grandma, and firemonkey can confirm that. I am not like that, and it makes my blood boil when all gearheads are lumped together.

You are right about the fact that he was a minimum of 100 mph over the limit. The reason I do not want people to think it was 205 is because I do not think this idiot should have that kind of bragging rights. Some copycat is going to try and do 210, and that one might not have as happy of an ending. Thatn is what I am hoping we can avoid by debunking this story as much as possible.

If he was on a slight downhill slope I think 205 is reachable on that bike. I wouldn't want to go that fast, but if the guy was on a stretch of road that was totally straight for a couple miles and there were no other cars within sight, I don't have a problem with him testing his bike out. Those bikes can get up to that speed pretty darn fast and they can also slow down to regular cruising speed pretty fast, so as long as there's no other cars (or planes) around it's cool in my book. The ones that go 120 weaving thru traffic are the ones I don't care for.

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Originally Posted by Camaro80z

By having the wheels up, you add to the drag by showing the underside of the machine. You also put more downforce on the rear, which is some cases can actually slow the momentum by having the energy and weight shifting backwards. Also, too much weight on the back wheel will slow down wheel speed.

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Ok, wait, you are actually going to try to rationalize that...It was a complete joke...in reference to the bitch that almost smacked into me and my wife a few months back...man, you been sucking too many exhaust fumes!!! :grin:

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Originally Posted by Camaro80z

As to the experts, the ones that I saw were from dealerships and shops that actually work and sell these bikes. I know that a couple of them actually build bikes for road racing with similar models, so they have the parts to make a bike go that fast. By saying it is that costly, they are hurting business. I think they would make more money out of it if there was a cheap way to make that type of power, because there are plenty of punks that want the absolute fastest bike out there.

You also need to know that it does not matter if he was doing 100 or 200, the ticket is the same if you are more than 30 mph over the limit. Also, the more serious charge is the reckless driving, which the speed you are going does not matter.

BTW, it is nice to have a topic with a serious discussion again. :thumbs

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Yeah, speed doesn't matter, so why the argument from "experts"? Fact remains, he was at least 100 MPH over the speed, the reckless endangerment will take into consideration his speed, and the method take to detect it. As far as the punishment, you're right, once you bang out something that illegal, those minor details don't mean a whole hill of beans...so again, why the preponderance of dispute from people that weren’t even there???

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Originally Posted by Camaro80z

He was going fast, but 205 is an exaggeration. There are numerous people that know way more about bikes than I do saying that the top speed for the bike he was on is 170. According to 3 different high performance bike shops in the area that were on the news last night, they all said it would have take atleast 25,000 dollars in upgrades to get that bike to go that fast. Not trying to argue Zip, just putting out the facts.

I think the saddest part is that this punk's father is a sargent in a local police force. I bet he is hearing about it at work! :sad:

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Doesn't cost $25k to add nitrous, just a theory though.

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Originally Posted by Outcoded

Doesn't cost $25k to add nitrous, just a theory though.

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Just the nitrous alone would not be enough for this, and his bike had no power addrers (tubo, nitrous or the like)

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Originally Posted by Ya_know

Ok, wait, you are actually going to try to rationalize that...It was a complete joke...in reference to the bitch that almost smacked into me and my wife a few months back...man, you been sucking too many exhaust fumes!!! :grin:



Yeah, speed doesn't matter, so why the argument from "experts"? Fact remains, he was at least 100 MPH over the speed, the reckless endangerment will take into consideration his speed, and the method take to detect it. As far as the punishment, you're right, once you bang out something that illegal, those minor details don't mean a whole hill of beans...so again, why the preponderance of dispute from people that weren’t even there???

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As to the rationalization of the wheelie, I knew that is what you were drawing to. If you look at my rationalization, you can also see the physics on why the jerky lost control.

As to the rest of your argument, please read the post I had after the one you are quoting.

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Originally Posted by Camaro80z

You are right about the fact that he was a minimum of 100 mph over the limit. The reason I do not want people to think it was 205 is because I do not think this idiot should have that kind of bragging rights. Some copycat is going to try and do 210, and that one might not have as happy of an ending. Thatn is what I am hoping we can avoid by debunking this story as much as possible.

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So what, let the guy brag...it is pretty cool if you ask me... :thumbs:

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Originally Posted by Camaro80z

As to the rationalization of the wheelie, I knew that is what you were drawing to. If you look at my rationalization, you can also see the physics on why the jerky lost control.

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I know why the guy dropped the bike, because he didn't know how to ride, took far to many chances with a passenger on the back, and was otherwise an idiot. Physics wasn't even a factor!!! :thumbs:

205???.................That is awesome!!!!!! I hope he get in the Guiness Book!!!

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Originally Posted by Ya_know

So what, let the guy brag...it is pretty cool if you ask me... :thumbs:

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You say how cool it is when it is your kid that is the one that tries to break it.

I have seen personally what happens when you mess around like this on the street, and I do not wish it upon anyone.

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You say how cool it is when it is your kid that is the one that tries to break it.

I have seen personally what happens when you mess around like this on the street, and I do not wish it upon anyone.

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None the less, people do sh!t like this all of the time, It's just rare that this other guy got caught in the middle of it. I will teach my kids the difference between what is reasonably safe, and what is beyond stupid, and hope that they will apply this when they are out by themselves, or when with friends that might take chances with their lives...but in the end, there's only so much that I can do to protect them.

You seem to think that your effort is productive, and I commend you for your belief, the bottom line is that your efforts, along with anyone else trying to de-sensationalize this act isn't going to change the fact that there are at least 10 people right now on US highways maxing out their bikes or other hotrods, with another 10 waiting to do it in each subsequent second following…

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None the less, people do sh!t like this all of the time, It's just rare that this other guy got caught in the middle of it. I will teach my kids the difference between what is reasonably safe, and what is beyond stupid, and hope that they will apply this when they are out by themselves, or when with friends that might take chances with their lives...but in the end, there's only so much that I can do to protect them.

You seem to think that your effort is productive, and I commend you for your belief, the bottom line is that your efforts, along with anyone else trying to de-sensationalize this act isn't going to change the fact that there are at least 10 people right now on US highways maxing out their bikes or other hotrods, with another 10 waiting to do it in each subsequent second following…

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I am glad to hear that you do see that this should not be hyped up. I know my efforts may not help everyone, but if 1 person does not do this crap, than it is better.

I was out a couple of weeks ago on my bike,
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On the highway which was pretty busy at the time a pack of Ninja boys pass me in the right lane. I was in the middle lane going at about 75. These guys passed but not going much faster than I was. When the four of them caught up to their buddy who was waiting in the breakdown lane the guy who was waiting pulls into traffic doing a wheelie. So not to be outdone one of them waves me past, so I go ahead. I look in the mirror and this knuclke head is doing a wheelie at 75+ mph in the middle lane of 93 south. he was wearing a sweater, flip flops and nylon running pants! He did have a full face helmet.

They waved me on so if he wiped out I would be able to avoid hitting him or his ride. He was not obviously worried about the cars behind him though.

stooooopidtiy at it's finest.

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Originally Posted by El Clammino

I was out a couple of weeks ago on my bike,
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I'd take that over a Ninja any day, hands down.

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Originally Posted by 3fingersalute

I'd take that over a Ninja any day, hands down.

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Thanks.

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Originally Posted by 3fingersalute

I'd take that over a Ninja any day, hands down.

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I agree, very nice! :thumbs:

Those things are dangerous. They should make a law.

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Originally Posted by silencio

Those things are dangerous. They should make a law.

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Like a helmet law? That sounds like a good idea.

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Originally Posted by imaeditedbysowulo

Like a helmet law? That sounds like a good idea.

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Why? Why should we enact laws to protect people from their own stupidity? Let Darwin do his thing...

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Originally Posted by thirdfey

Why? Why should we enact laws to protect people from their own stupidity? Let Darwin do his thing...

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It's kind of like survival of the fittest.........the people stupid enough to do this kind of **** are the ones who deserve to die............weeding out the pack if ya_would.