Tried this on a car forum, no responses

Any car nuts here know someplace I can look?



I want to upgrade the brakes on my '02 Chrysler Sebring LXi coupe (really a Mitsu Eclipse GT with a different body) The LX model came with 15" wheels and shares brakes with the LXi and its 17" wheels. If the brakes felt OK, the way they look in the wheel wouldn't matter so much to me. But they just don't feel like they have good stopping power at speed, and an emergency stop on the highway is enough to warp a just-resurfaced rotor that still has lots of metal left on it. (really ticked me off, too)

So can I get some bigger brakes to put on the front? Also, I'd like to put the stock front brakes on the back. I should be able to do the work myself if I can find the parts.

So you are looking for aftermarket brakes? I'm a motorcycle guy so all I know is Brembo, Spiegler, etc.

You can't find anything else that could be causing your problem. With motorcycles, if it feels spongy, bleeding the brakes and/or switching to steel braided lines (rubber expands) and changing to a different brand of pads seem to be the cheap way to go. Hope someone actually knowledgeable responds to you though :)

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So you are looking for aftermarket brakes? I'm a motorcycle guy so all I know is Brembo, Spiegler, etc.

You can't find anything else that could be causing your problem. With motorcycles, if it feels spongy, bleeding the brakes and/or switching to steel braided lines (rubber expands) and changing to a different brand of pads seem to be the cheap way to go. Hope someone actually knowledgeable responds to you though :)

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Gee, too bad my motorcycle's brakes work great.:D

try this 1 out... Auto Parts Performance - Import OEM Parts Catalog

Hi FE,

By rotors, do you mean the brake discs as we call them over here?

If they are the vented type, which I guess they would be, no way should they ever be skimmed / resurfaced no matter how much metal there appears to be, or they will warp very badly when heated. Even solid discs are sometimes unable to be resurfaced if the wear is too great.

Resurfacing brake discs is generally frowned upon in England and no reputable machine shop would dare resurface a vented disc as they would be liable when it failed, which it surely would. In extreme cases re-ground discs have been known to actually shatter under heavy use, the consequences of which doesn't bear thinking about!!

I reckon a new set of discs & pads together with a flush out and change of brake fliud would make a world of difference.....

I changed all four discs on our '00 Citroen Xantia turbodiesel (auto) last year, fronts (ventilated) were £28 each, rears (solid) £24 plus £40 each end for pads and £5 for (synthetic) brake fluid. The whole job took me only a couple of hours... a couple of hundred pounds well spent!

John

I didn't want the disks resurfaced. The mechanic doing the brake job did it in the interest of saving me money (very little saved, big pain in the arse because of it) Anyway, the brakes stink. They stunk when new, and they stink worse now. I've found a few things online. I think I'll stay away from the 4-piston racing job that's over $1800 for parts. (front only)

Looks like I'll spend about $450 or so in parts for an upgraded front brake kit, and another $60-$90 for a good jack and jack stands to do the work myself. I'm also checking i n e p t's link to see if they can set me up any better.

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try this 1 out... Auto Parts Performance - Import OEM Parts Catalog

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That site would be nice......if it didn't say 'call for price' on every item, and if you weren't on hold forever when you call them, and if they had the stuff I want in stock.

Rule 1) Don't by anything that has to do with Mitsubishi or Chrystler.
Rule 2) Don't bother spending any money on tweaking a POS.
Rule 3) Buy a sports car that is designed for sporty driving instead of tuning a turtle to run like a rabbit because you'll never get the performance you want.


My $.02

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I didn't want the disks resurfaced. The mechanic doing the brake job did it in the interest of saving me money (very little saved, big pain in the arse because of it) Anyway, the brakes stink. They stunk when new, and they stink worse now. I've found a few things online. I think I'll stay away from the 4-piston racing job that's over $1800 for parts. (front only)

Looks like I'll spend about $450 or so in parts for an upgraded front brake kit, and another $60-$90 for a good jack and jack stands to do the work myself. I'm also checking i n e p t's link to see if they can set me up any better.

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Does the car have ABS? If you're going to spend the money on a fine aftermarket solution, be sure that you get all of the components to accommodate ABS (if that’s possible aftermarket)...doesn't matter how good the breaks are, you can always lock them up if you try hard enough...ABS should be the next new standard on ALL cars...forget about the tire pressure sensing requirements...

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Rule 1) Don't by anything that has to do with Mitsubishi or Chrystler.
Rule 2) Don't bother spending any money on tweaking a POS.
Rule 3) Buy a sports car that is designed for sporty driving instead of tuning a turtle to run like a rabbit because you'll never get the performance you want.


My $.02

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You know what, I was thinking that too…I have seen a lot of people dress up some crappy cars, corollas, civics, echo’s, with bolt on aftermarket breaks and go-faster parts…I agree with you, if the car wasn’t designed for performance, don’t drive it like it is…and don’t spend a ton of money on neat features that will be worthless to you when you trade it in, in a few years…

Sink money into a classic, not a daily driver…

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You know what, I was thinking that too…I have seen a lot of people dress up some crappy cars, corollas, civics, echo’s, with bolt on aftermarket breaks and go-faster parts…I agree with you, if the car wasn’t designed for performance, don’t drive it like it is…and don’t spend a ton of money on neat features that will be worthless to you when you trade it in, in a few years…

Sink money into a classic, not a daily driver…

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Well Said! :thumbs:

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Rule 1) Don't by anything that has to do with Mitsubishi or Chrystler.
Rule 2) Don't bother spending any money on tweaking a POS.
Rule 3) Buy a sports car that is designed for sporty driving instead of tuning a turtle to run like a rabbit because you'll never get the performance you want.


My $.02

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Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Mitsubishi Rocks. Have a Montero (full size not wimpy sport.) with 161,000 miles and not one problem. It goes places a Toyota or Nissan would cringe at. The Montero has won 17 years in Paris Dakar racing( 6,000 miles 4x4 event ).

Think your 2 cents is worthless. (Ok, Dodge sucks but they got a Hemi!)

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You know what, I was thinking that too…I have seen a lot of people dress up some crappy cars, corollas, civics, echo’s, with bolt on aftermarket breaks and go-faster parts…I agree with you, if the car wasn’t designed for performance, don’t drive it like it is…and don’t spend a ton of money on neat features that will be worthless to you when you trade it in, in a few years…

Sink money into a classic, not a daily driver…

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I enjoy driving and riding things beyonds their limits then driving or riding something beyond my limits. Just my .02

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I enjoy driving and riding things beyonds their limits then driving or riding something beyond my limits. Just my .02

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Make sense, please...?

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You know what, I was thinking that too…I have seen a lot of people dress up some crappy cars, corollas, civics, echo’s, with bolt on aftermarket breaks and go-faster parts…I agree with you, if the car wasn’t designed for performance, don’t drive it like it is…and don’t spend a ton of money on neat features that will be worthless to you when you trade it in, in a few years…

Sink money into a classic, not a daily driver…

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You're on the right track! :thumbs:

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Make sense, please...?

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Anyone can get behind the wheel of a true sports car and take it through a couple corners and make it go fast on a straight away. Whooptee freakin doo...

Take some Honda, Mazda, Toyota 4 cyclinder through those corners and push it to go just as fast through the corners. There is the challenge. There is the fun especially if you have a passenger in the car. Have those tires screaming through the corners as you squeeze every ounce of grip out of the them as you try to keep the momentum up because every mph you drop heading to the apex of the corner is gonna take alot longer to make up on the exit of the corner.

Sure all the same can be said for the true sports car but by the time you get to the edge of those cars you are going way way too fast.

I have a similiar problem with my motorcycle. i can rail through corners without breaking a sweat going 80-100mph and I'm not even riding a true sports bike. Add another 40 for a true sports bike. The corners just aren't fun unless you are really putting yourself at risk. Get a an older 600cc or dual purpose bike and the fun level goes back up because it's more of a challenge to sustain those speeds.

Hope that clears it up for ya

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Originally Posted by opiate

Rule 1) Don't by anything that has to do with Mitsubishi or Chrystler.
Rule 2) Don't bother spending any money on tweaking a POS.
Rule 3) Buy a sports car that is designed for sporty driving instead of tuning a turtle to run like a rabbit because you'll never get the performance you want.


My $.02

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Boy, somebody is reading things that aren't there. Check again:

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Originally Posted by FatalException0E

I want to upgrade the brakes on my '02 Chrysler Sebring LXi coupe ...
...they just don't feel like they have good stopping power ...

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If I had the f#cking money to have a daily driver and a nice sports car, I would! I'm looking to make the one car that I can afford work a little bit better. I'm not looking for engine mods, I'm not looking for one of those damn annoying tomato can mufflers. (everytime I see one, I want to fill it with a can of Great Stuff)

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Anyone can get behind the wheel of a true sports car and take it through a couple corners and make it go fast on a straight away. Whooptee freakin doo...

Take some Honda, Mazda, Toyota 4 cyclinder through those corners and push it to go just as fast through the corners. There is the challenge. There is the fun especially if you have a passenger in the car. Have those tires screaming through the corners as you squeeze every ounce of grip out of the them as you try to keep the momentum up because every mph you drop heading to the apex of the corner is gonna take alot longer to make up on the exit of the corner.

Sure all the same can be said for the true sports car but by the time you get to the edge of those cars you are going way way too fast.

I have a similiar problem with my motorcycle. i can rail through corners without breaking a sweat going 80-100mph and I'm not even riding a true sports bike. Add another 40 for a true sports bike. The corners just aren't fun unless you are really putting yourself at risk. Get a an older 600cc or dual purpose bike and the fun level goes back up because it's more of a challenge to sustain those speeds.

Hope that clears it up for ya

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I went from a MarkVIII to a Continental, both great cars, both performed well. Both had the same exact motor although the Mark was RWD, and had 20HP over the Continental...The Mark also lowered at highway speeds, and overall had a much stronger suspension...and the bucket seats really made a difference when working the turns…compared to 60/40 bench seats in the Connie’.

Along the same lines of what you had stated, the Continental was more difficult to get the same performance response…for me it was in no way more fun than the Mark! I pushed that Mark far to the extreme and it was never too fast…where the Conie’ just didn’t have the thrill and I could feel the envelope close far before I was ready to back down…don’t get me wrong, I tried…I finally realized that it wasn’t the Mark and gave up driving like it was.

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I went from a MarkVIII to a Continental, both great cars, both performed well.

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So, WD finally knows. Teh Ya_k is a PIMP!! https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gifhttps://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2006/04/1.gif

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So, WD finally knows. Teh Ya_k is a PIMP!! https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gifhttps://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2006/04/1.gif

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You know it baby!!! :p

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So, WD finally knows. Teh Ya_k is a PIMP!! https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gifhttps://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2006/04/1.gif

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I hope you realize how many shots you have opened yourself up to when cleet read this! :rolleyes:

That's why i specifically mentioned 4 cylinders in my post :) Trying to Push a connie, what's wrong with you man. He's no pimp, he's one of the hitmen from Gross Pointe Blank

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That's why i specifically mentioned 4 cylinders in my post :) Trying to Push a connie, what's wrong with you man. He's no pimp, he's one of the hitmen from Gross Pointe Blank

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Hey, a connie with 260 HP, a performance adjustable suspension (soft, medium, stiff) great tires, a great stereo...I’d out do ricers all day long. I just couldn’t beat a Mark, or a 300z…that’s for sure!

Well yeah in the straight away. It doesn't take much skill to hit the gas pedal....

:p

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Well yeah in the straight away. It doesn't take much skill to hit the gas pedal....

:p

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Um, come play in my world for a weekend and see if ya still feel that way!

(P.S. look at my avatar and realize that is considered a straight run! )

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Well yeah in the straight away. It doesn't take much skill to hit the gas pedal....

:p

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Dude...I spanked them all in the turns as well...Don't let the shape fool you, a Continental with a V8 and 4 point adjustable air suspension can spank all the weak ones, in and out of the turns!

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Um, come play in my world for a weekend and see if ya still feel that way!

(P.S. look at my avatar and realize that is considered a straight run! )

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You're gonna compare a connie to an actual drag car :rolleyes: Come on, obviously some more skill is required for a drag car then grandma's car :eek2:

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Dude...I spanked them all in the turns as well...Don't let the shape fool you, a Continental with a V8 and 4 point adjustable air suspension can spank all the weak ones, in and out of the turns!

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I guess ppl Beyond Thunderdome don't know how to drive then :eek2:

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You're gonna compare a connie to an actual drag car :rolleyes: Come on, obviously some more skill is required for a drag car then grandma's car :eek2:

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I am not comparing the 2 cars at all, it just bugs me when I hear someone say that you just hit the gas and go. :thumbs:

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I hope you realize how many shots you have opened yourself up to when cleet read this! :rolleyes:

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Car talk bores me.

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I am not comparing the 2 cars at all, it just bugs me when I hear someone say that you just hit the gas and go. :thumbs:

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I'm sure it does. I knew someone was gonna reply back like you did, just wanted to see who would first. Anyone who has watched an actual drag on TV would notice the dissimilarities immediately

Rice is nice, but steel is real!

Hey pot stirrer, bring your bike up here and lets' have a go in the lovely Seattle weather. Wanna put your *** on the line on a windy mountain pass in the near freezing rain? Your two wheels against my four? https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif

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Car talk bores me.

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someone has a case of teh gay....or needs a smoke :p

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Rice is nice, but steel is real!

Hey pot stirrer, bring your bike up here and lets' have a go in the lovely Seattle weather. Wanna put your *** on the line on a windy mountain pass in the near freezing rain? Your two wheels against my four? https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif

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No, and I was never convicted on that count of stirring the pot so you got nothing on me old man :devil:

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someone has a case of teh gay....or needs a smoke :p

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No, I live with guys that race and it is all I hear about. Give me a nice car that doesn't cost too much, let me get my regular maintenance and I will be happy.

I mean crap, I mention I have a Ford Mustang, and you will have people making fun of Ford, and fanboys hating the Mustang. This will go out, that is bad, this is bad, blah, blah, blah. All I ever hear. Funny, 120,000 miles and cam shaft is the only thing to actually break, cost me a couple hundred to fix. Mach stereo which is supposed to suck, still belting out my music. It is just a car, that thankfullly I own outright now that does its job, and I do mine by doing the regular maintenance and don't beat the crap out of it.

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No, I live with guys that race and it is all I hear about. Give me a nice car that doesn't cost too much, let me get my regular maintenance and I will be happy.

I mean crap, I mention I have a Ford Mustang, and you will have people making fun of Ford, and fanboys hating the Mustang. This will go out, that is bad, this is bad, blah, blah, blah. All I ever hear. Funny, 120,000 miles and cam shaft is the only thing to actually break, cost me a couple hundred to fix. Mach stereo which is supposed to suck, still belting out my music. It is just a car, that thankfullly I own outright now that does its job, and I do mine by doing the regular maintenance and don't beat the crap out of it.

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Boring.

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Boring.

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Just like car talk :wave:

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No, I live with guys that race and it is all I hear about. Give me a nice car that doesn't cost too much, let me get my regular maintenance and I will be happy.

I mean crap, I mention I have a Ford Mustang, and you will have people making fun of Ford, and fanboys hating the Mustang. This will go out, that is bad, this is bad, blah, blah, blah. All I ever hear. Funny, 120,000 miles and cam shaft is the only thing to actually break, cost me a couple hundred to fix. Mach stereo which is supposed to suck, still belting out my music. It is just a car, that thankfullly I own outright now that does its job, and I do mine by doing the regular maintenance and don't beat the crap out of it.

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I understand and see your point completely. That is why I will stay away from the car sites and mainly hang out here. It is nice to have something different to talk about. :thumbs:


(Plus if you think that people on this site are rude and mean, try and go on a car site. :flame: )

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You're gonna compare a connie to an actual drag car :rolleyes: Come on, obviously some more skill is required for a drag car then grandma's car :eek2:

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This ain't no granny car, picture it with some multi-spoke MarkVIII rims!

You had options to tighten up the steering or the suspension...made for a spirited drive on the freeway, yet gave you smooth easy control in parking lots...You know, when you put this car in reverse the side mirrors tilt down automatically, so you can see where you're going and don't run over any curbs. Show me a 4 cylinder ricer that can do any of that, and beat this thing in any racing circumstance...Did I mention 4 wheel disks, ABS with traction control…you even get cigar lighters in the back seat! (that’s right, I said cigar)

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