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In an earlier post I asked about conflict of what splash screen said and what windows reported. Thanks to a link to Intel I found I did not have a PIII.
http://forums.windrivers.com/showthread.php?t=64645
Question is, is there a way Bios Splash Screen can be manipulated or just plain wrong in reporting what CPU you have?https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif
Yes, the POST report could mis-identify a CPU, if a BIOS update is available, an error such as this could be corrected. But it could also be caused by something like overclocking with an odd clock/multiplier combination, confusing the BIOS.Quote:
Originally Posted by eboyjones
It's also possible it has been deliberately manipulated. A well known example of this was some years ago when fake 2nd level cache chips appeared on some motherboards, with the BIOS modified to report the cache OK, but no provision to disable/enable it & prove the falsification.
Do you have a suspicion the system might be deliberately faked to claim a PIII?
Yes, because I have reset the bios to all combinations and get the same results. And when I run Inel's cpu identifing program as well as Belarc and other benchmark programs my PIII 1300 always reads as a Celeron 434. I took the chip out and the markings on it are;Quote:
Originally Posted by Platypus
Intel
Pentium III
1300/128/133
Malay
52500637-2004
There are no markings on the back of the chip.
There's another clue right there. As I said in the other thread, there is no PIII 1300. On top of that, all the PIII's had 256 or 512KB cache, not 128. The Celeron 433 has 128KB cache, but is based on a 66MHz fsb, not 133. There are no Celeron's with 133MHz fsb.
The program Bios Agent say this about the mobo;
Bios ID:6A69MTRAC
Bios Date:07/06/03
Bios Signon:07/06/2003-i810(E)-W8362-6A69MTRAC-00
Bios Type:Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG
Super I/O:Unknown
Chipset:Intel Whitney 82810E rev 3
OEM Signon:(13PRO) EVALUATION ROM - CH
bios agent , just misunderstood my bios string , and prosessor ,,
however , i keep looking at this "OEM Signon:(13PRO) EVALUATION ROM - CH" , and wondering , if someone has been playing with the bios ??????
can you restart and check bios date , then check at mfg site , to see if the bios exists ,,(date the same) ,,,and if nessesarry reflash with correct one,
Run a comparative CPU-intensive test on another P3 machine ~1GHz, then see if the results are different (MPEG encoding for example). If you have a 433 Cel. you'll see the difference immediately. Or try a benchmark/test program and compare with reference data.
P3 was made up to 1400MHz. There is none at 1300, but there is one at 1333.
http://processorfinder.intel.com/scripts/list.asp
To identify your CPU try this tools: http://support.intel.com/support/pro...s/frequencyid/
its ok running all those proggys , thru windoze ,,,d/load and run everest , http://www.lavalys.com/products.php?lang=en , but again , run thru windoze ,, there is a copy of hwinfo DOS version ,,, have a woader around here http://www.hwinfo.sk/ ,,
but YOU MUST be able to see the difference in performance between a celi 450 and a 1.summot p3 ,,,
i refer you back to the bios question i asked before,
I was able to find the mfg's site and here is there ad for this board and cpu.
http://chuanghui.en.*******.com/prod...CPU_Combo.html
How can this be legaly imported into the US?https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif
how can that be legal ,,Quote:
Originally Posted by eboyjones
PIII/1.3G CPU:
1) Remarked from Celeron433/466, black color, "PIII/1300" printed on top
wonder if intel know ,,,,
Yes they know cause I told them!
look at this one http://chuanghui.en.*******.com/prod...CPU_Combo.html celleron modded and restamped as a p4 ,,,
this is silly ,,
It's like selling a VW as a Rolls Royce by just changing the name and no one will notice.
the thing is , this firm has borrowed/begged/stolen the drawings for all the intel boards ,,Quote:
Originally Posted by eboyjones
now we all know that every tom dick and harry are mfg boards ,,,asus, giga etc ,,but they have support behind them , this firm has not.
so , i order 100 boards , knock them up , sell them on ebay ,,,
sorry mate , i did,nt know it was a celly ,,,,i bought the boards as p4s ,,
summot sticks with the bios code here "OEM Signon:(13PRO) EVALUATION ROM - CH , is this the orig bios , or has sombody flashed it?
it would seem to me that they have had the bios re-written to hide the info , if this is the case , then that is fraud under uk and american law ,,,,
where did the board come from?
Oh, my god! :eek2:
No surprize it shown as Celeron 433... :(
I've seen already ECS XP Pro 1400-3000+ MB/CPU combos with fixed BIOSes so they show whatever you like... but this s... :eek2:
And the worst thing is - people will buy it because they are cheaper! :sad:
guy bought it on Ebay. At least he used Paypal which will get his money back. But the board itself supports up to a PIII 1500, if he can find a cheap legit one.Quote:
Originally Posted by freddy
Are you sure that board will support this? As I said in the other thread, an 810 won't support Tualatin, right Rus? And, there is no P3 1500 as the highest was the 1400. So, going by what Rus said previously, I would not trust whatever that brd mfg says. And smitty's reply was, as usual, right on. https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2006/04/1.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by eboyjones
The Bios ID says it is a 07/06/2003-i810(E)-W8362-6A69MTRAC-00. Of course that could be wrong, and probably is since it says it's a PIII. But looking closely at the chip it says 810.Quote:
Originally Posted by TripleRLtd
Wonder if it would be possible, for curiosity sakes, to reflash the bios and see if the board can be fixed to report real bios ID. But I could only guess what bios to try for an 810 chip. Any Ideas? Award-Phoenix?
July 2k3 for an 810 board? Hmmm. Sounds to me like it's been flashed with that kind of date. But, if you are asking about some sort of "new" bios or hot swap, then Ruslan is your man. So, pm him.
:rolleyes: "*******.com "
Ali Baba & the forty thieves ... :p
Been seeing ads for this site on TV. Its some kind of intermediary, supposedly for business to business transactions. Granted its a dumb name, but my guess is they're just hosting the site.Quote:
Originally Posted by Platypus
was gonna post a picci ,,but for some reason there not linkin ,,, http://www.ras675.741.com/pcchips.jpg ,,,
a pc chips m/board , that the bios shows xp1800 ,,,there is no provision in bios to alter cpu settings ,,,
machine is a duron 1200 ,,,
note tthe screwed down hsf ,,,i think the cpu might be soldered ,,,
The moral of the story: you get what you pay for!
If you want a good thing you buy a product made by a reputable company and sold by an authorized reseller. And if a deal seems too good to be true, it probably is.
I have the same board laying in my spareparts box... defective, though...Quote:
Originally Posted by freddy
Heatsink sticker says Pro1800+ , but hardware tests shows actually that's a Duron CPU... And the CPU is actually soldered into the motherboard... :(
The funny thing is those boards shows actual CPU's speed/name if you're flashing BIOS downloaded from ECS/PCChips... So, I would assume it's someone's hands work, that "XP1800" BIOS...
There were a lot of BIOSes made for 810 chipset, and far not all of them are compatible. Each of BIOSes is made for specific board... So, flashing wrong BIOS may be fatal for the board...Quote:
Originally Posted by eboyjones
You can try to identify your board (it is hard for us to do so without seeing the picture of the board)... Use Hardware Info utility from www.hwinfo.com , or ASTRA from http://www.sysinfolab.com/ (I like this one! :thumbs: ) ,or Everest from http://www.lavalys.com/
But as long system is working fine and you're not going to resell it, leave it as it is... PIII-1300 sounds better than Cel 433... ;)
Not exactly, but for most of 810 MBs it is true... but some of them could support Tualatins... http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/d...cname=bph07044Quote:
Originally Posted by TripleRLtd
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/g...cname=bph07027
well, even an old BX chipset can support Tualatins (not officially, though ;) ). It's just only matter of voltage regulator and the Socket 370 pinouts... (can be fixed ;) )
By the way, motherboards supporting Tualatins, cannot work with Mendocino Celerons... Even more, using Mendocino Celerons can damage voltage regulator in those boards... At least, I've seen personally few MBs damaged after that...
So, his motherboard cannot support Tualatins (because he has already Mendocino Celeron installed and working right now)...
Always sooo technical. https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif
Yeah, we know that YOU could get it to work. but that isn't the point with regular users, is it Rus? https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2006/04/1.gif
PS
How ya doing? Myself? Really good to be back. The next hurricane though: make room for me in Canuck land. https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif
Ran ASTRA and it identified the board as a Topstar with Phoenix-Award Bios v6.00pg 82810E 810E.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruslan
Looking for bios now.
PC is waiting for replacement board and in the mean time I would really like to know what this board started out as and what it can do. The person didn't get it cheap ither and has an Ebay fraud claim pending. In the mean time in my spare time I am curious how they were able to install phony Bios and then see if it can be reflashed back to the original.
Bios Agent says this about board;
BIOS ID: 07/06/2003-i810(E)-W8362-6A69MTRAC-00
OEM Sign-On: (13PRO) EVALUATION ROM - CH
Wondering what (13PRO) EVALUATION ROM - CH means?
Anyway after new board arrives this goes to the scrap pile unless I can reflash it to oringinal.
CH probably means CHina...Quote:
Originally Posted by eboyjones
http://www.topstar1.com/ if you speak Chinese... ;) :D
Couldn't find anything else...
Guys who changed the BIOS probably changed only text messages... It is possible - I did it myself using some hacking tools... For example, for changing BIOS string messages for your company name, change Award Logo for your company logo etc... Don't remember name exactly, though - last time I used it was few years ago...
Also BIOS Patcher I mentioned many times has also built-in an option to change that BIOS string so any CPU you're using will be shown under the same name (P4-4000, for example :D )...