It was great, he pissed the republicans off so bad that they left the room as we chanted the "na na na na goodbye" song. I dont think I've ever seen someone who get a crowd pumped like he did
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It was great, he pissed the republicans off so bad that they left the room as we chanted the "na na na na goodbye" song. I dont think I've ever seen someone who get a crowd pumped like he did
Where?
The Slacker tour, here in fairmont, WV
Let me guess, you payed for this...:grin:
That's as bad as paying for tickets to F911, and then buying the DVD...:grin:
Michael Moore is a pansy.
What he should have showed in Fahrenheit 911 is the actual death toll rising while Bush was reading to the kids.
Michael Moore's a Big, Fat Idiot!!!
'Nuff said.
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Originally Posted by JaxSon
Total agreement. Michael Moore is one of the reasons that voting democrat became such a difficult decision this year.
did you get any clean underwear?
Yeah because what Bush should have done was fly around the Earth backwards, causing time to reverse. He could then fly to New York and stop the planes from hitting the towers.Quote:
Originally Posted by techs
I love this book. I especially love the fact that it's sitting on the shelf at work and nobody is buying it, while Moore continues to have six books and two DVDs actually selling in our store, including two books still on the bestseller list at the same time... :thumbs:Quote:
Originally Posted by JaxSon
and more copies of the bible have been sold then all those books put together, what's you point :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wayward Clam
That the sillier the fiction, the better it sells? :devil:Quote:
Originally Posted by thirdfey
ROFLMAO!!! :devil:Quote:
Originally Posted by jaeger
Actually, when you think about it, that's entirely too true to be funny... :sad:
Awwww man if Dan Brown hasn't already done enough to push um...certain folks over the edge your post sure is going to do it! https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by jaeger
You know, here is the timeline of the President's activities on the morning of 9/11. You be the judge.Quote:
Originally Posted by techs
On a personal level, I think he showed remarkable restraint in an environment that could have turned into chaos if he said anything. The small 2nd grade classroom was filled with 16 students, 150 reporters and dozens of school and White House officials. If he had abruptly got up to leave, the room would have descended into a media circus.
That said, there were NUMEROUS failures on the part of the Administration that morning. These failures range from frequent communication outages to confusion over who was in charge in Washington. The FAA was completely oblivious to the threat posed by Flight 93. The audio tapes of the teleconferences that morning between the FAA, air traffic control and NORAD made it seem like the FAA people were like deers caught in the headlights. They were in complete disbelief that after they thought all planes were grounded there was still 4 planes not accounted for (one of which was making a beeline for the White House.)
Worst of all Dick Cheney attempted a cheap and dirty power grab by arguing with the President over returning to DC. He eventually convinced Bush and the Secret Service to take AF1 to Offutt AFB, HQ for NORAD. Colin Powell was stuck on a 10-hour flight back from Peru. With the #1 and the #3 men in the adminstration up in the air, Cheney orders fighters to shoot down Flight 93 if necessary, a power legally reserved only to the President.
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Originally Posted by Larommi
Because that is what it would have taken!!! Geesh, this crap has been talked about ad nauseum. What could Bush have done in those 15+ minutes to save anyone when a plane is ready to crash right into it? NOTHING!!
I'll tell ya. This guy is playing us. Bin Laden is playing us big time! He is good. And, it is about time WE start to realize that. His timing is impeccable.https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif
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That is the perfect smiley for that post.https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by jaeger
That's because he was basically out of touch with his National Security and military advisors most of the time, and his VP was busy doing a power grab.Quote:
Originally Posted by TripleRLtd
He did the best thing he could do.....keep his mouth shut until one of his puppeteers could tell him what to say.
Yeah, it WAS a major screw up. But, we are talking about 18 minutes here. What, exactly, could have been done in 18 minutes that would have changed anything? Even if, as you say, the NSA, etc, was NOT "out of order"?
Actually, if you check the timeline it was about 10 minutes to be exact.Quote:
Originally Posted by TripleRLtd
What can happen in 10 minutes?
“An F-15 departing from Otis can reach New York City in 10 to 12 minutes, according to an Otis spokeswoman."
F-16s could have also reached DC within 10 minutes, but that never happened:
"NORAD orders three F-16 fighters scrambled from Langley Air Force Base in Virginia to intercept Flight 77. Langley is 129 miles from Washington. Ready aircraft at Andrews Air Force Base, 15 miles away, are not scrambled."
Why did this not happen? Because there was a constant 30-45 minute delay in the information being relay from the FAA to NORAD.
However, the President was getting information in real time via CNN. There are fighter squadrons at the ready throughout the country that he could have scrambled on a moment's notice.
There are varying degrees of "ready" when dealing with launching fighter aircraft. You could be talking about a ready alert that starts planes moving the second the order is given as the pilots are already waiting in the aircraft or any other combination of strip alerts ranging from 5 to 30 minutes. I don't know the alert status of aircraft stationed at bases capable of defending our major cities and capitol, but I doubt a plane could have got off the ground within 15 minutes of the scramble order. The situation is likely different now.Quote:
Originally Posted by KINGofBLEH
You overestimate the readiness of NORAD air defense squadrons in the post-Cold War world. On September 10, 2001, who would those squadrons have been guarding against?
Wow... and here I thought it was just the Iraqis who depended on CNN for all of their intelligence... :eek2: