http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...s/hunters_shot
the details are kinda sketchy still, but there is a possiblity that camero and I know this guy. I will let him tell the store, later on when we are all gathered around the camp fire.
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...s/hunters_shot
the details are kinda sketchy still, but there is a possiblity that camero and I know this guy. I will let him tell the store, later on when we are all gathered around the camp fire.
This whole thing is just WAY beyond comprehension... :sad: I feel so bad for the families of the victims... :sad:
Ok Camaro....spill it...was this guy always this big of a pukwhit??
I don't think you'll be seeing him around any campfires soon!!Quote:
Originally Posted by firemonkey
Toss him in the woods unarmed with a bunch of armed hunters?
Maybe we could hunt him with that internet hunting thing posted here the other day!
I'm not surprised by this story at all. In fact, I AM surprised it doesn't happen more often with all these red states so gun happy. Everybody and their mother seems to have some strange need to have a gun and go around shooting stuff. Even call it a freeging "family tradition".
In a nutshell:
Do the math: guns + stupid people = DEATH
Truth: Most people are too stupid and should not be allowed to have a gun.
Reality: Most people ARE allowed to have a gun and who the hell knows where those bullets are going to end up.
Common thinking: "Everyone is else stupid except me. I will be just fine with my gun. It is my constitutional right to own a weapon and shoot it in defense or recreationally where it is legal".
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No: You are the stupid, STUPID!! And someday someone will die from your stupidity. It only takes once for it to happen and no second chances.
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go head, outlaw guns, then only the outlaws would have them....Quote:
Originally Posted by WebHead
how many people that you know have killed themselves or someone else from a gun?
Ummmmm...Wrbby MN & WI are Blue States. Ya might want to rethink your opening paragraph. Oops...https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif
:devil: Major, you're assuming he was thinking when he typed that response :devil:Quote:
Originally Posted by Major Kong
Seriously though, I will give webbie credit because he has stuck to his......webs when it comes to the firearm issues. I just wish he would take the time take a complete look at the firearms issue as well as educate himself better on gun ownership and the laws that protect and prohibit gun ownership for citizens instead of just ASSuming everyone is stupid that owns a firearm.
A few years ago, on a Sunday morning just before Christmas, the police opened fire on an unarmed father in the house right across the street from where I lived. I posted a picture of the dead father laying in the drive way in a pool of blood right here at WD (until confus-ed made me see the err or my ways). There were about 20 police that fired 9mm bullets in the culdisack where I lived. The array of bullets spanned a full 90 degrees over around 5 houses. One bullet was lodged in the wall of a womans house just below the window of where her daughter slept at night. Now keep in mind, this isn't south central where I lived,.. it was South San Jose. A place where a dump of a house goes for around half a mill. I'm talking typical white picket fence family here. Father dead in the driveway over a domestic dispute. The whole culdisack was closed off for most of the day while they collected bullets (they had about 100 bullets marked on the ground). The fathers children were hiding behind a car and watched the police put lethal bullets into him, What killed him? A gun, that's what. Do I blame the officer? No. I blame society and this stupid desire to shoot guns.Quote:
Originally Posted by DiR[ëctory]
Again,.. it only takes one stupid mistake for someone to get killed.
And just to REALLY put this in perspective,.. San Jose has once again been named one of the safest places in the country to live. Here.
See, the typical liberal attitude that people are too stupid to do things for themselves. Have some faith in ppl. There are MILLIONS of hunters and firearms and this crap doesnt happen on a regular basis. There was a breakdown in respect here. When you go out hunting, fishing, whatever, there is an unspoked code of respect. You realize that if you get into trouble out there, they may be the only ones that can help you. That obviously didn't matter to this guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by WebHead
Question for you: Have you ever been hunting?
No I have not. Maybe I just don't understand the concept, but killing defenseless animals is not my idea of fun. A shooting range is about the ONLY acceptable place to shoot a gun imo. I'm sorry I'm not as big and tuff as you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zil
And for the record, I don't think guns should be outlawed. I think censorship is wrong too. I just think that far too many people take these rights we have (including freedom of speech) for granted and abuse these rights. Of course, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink so whatever I say is useless. People have to learn that the rights we have, have prices to pay at some point. All I can do is hope that neither my family, friends or myself doesn't get shot by all these bullets that have to travel through air at high rates of speed.
Well I can tell everyone that it was a gun that stopped the bastage that was stalking and planning to kill my wife and son. And guess what? It was my wife who put 6 in his freakin' sorry arse. A cousin, who know's how to use a rifle, saved his 2 year old niece from being killed by two deranged drug dealers after a botched drug deal in WV 3 years ago (unfortunately the scum put a bullet in the mothers head before he could get over to the house-executed her right in front of the girl and she was next).
Wrbby what happened in your neighborhood a few years ago was a nightmare, but can I ask you something? It was the police that killed this man if I read your thread right. What did he do to provoke such a lethal response?
I wish I had an answer for you. All I can think of was that it happened in the wee hours of the morning and I'm sure the cops had limited vision and they probably didn't know exactly was going on. They probably felt a sense of danger, a cop shoots, then they all shot. That morning, I got home at around 4:30am from the bar with friends. I was trashed, hung out outside sitting on the curb to have a smoke and thought about how Christmas was coming up soon. Then I went inside to crash. An hour and a half later my roomies woke me up. I was majorly crashed out so I didn't hear it, but they said it sounded like a machine gun was shooting. I looked through the glass in the door, couldn't believe my eyes and grabbed my camera to take a pic. It was pretty bad. I'll never forget it. The most regretful part of the whole thing was that the guys kids had to see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Major Kong
When I was a little kid (maybe 7 or 8 years old) I was running around with a sheet tied around my neck pretending like I was Batman outside the house on the sidewalk. Some idiot was shooting his BB gun (prolly trying to take out a bird or squirrel or whatever these loons like to shoot). A BB richocheted and hit me in the sternum. No damage, but I'll never forget that too. It could've been a lot worse.
Guns suck. I'm sorry to hear about what your wife had to go through. Must've been very traumatic. I'm glad she and her son are ok from that.
Again, you speak of things that you have no idea about. The proper way we were taught was to respect guns as if your life depended on it (and if you didn't respect guns, your father/uncle/grandpa/aunt would punish u until u learned). You have no idea what it is to carry, own or shoot a gun. Think about that the next time you decide to call people who have guns stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by WebHead
(And to think that you call us Red Staters ignorant)
Someone though you were a mental patient and shot you? Maybe they should outlaw people running around in Underoos. :drink:Quote:
Originally Posted by WebHead
That must be quite frightening when that life threatening duck comes charging at you. Good thing you got your gun to protect you. But then again,.. what do I know. I've never carried a gun. But then again,.. I've never jumped off the golden gate bridge either so I don't know how that's relevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zil
Imo,.. a soldier is the only type of person who should carry a gun. I can't think of one single reason why anyone else should need to have one.
Hey now,.. I was being Batman and fighting crime and saving the world and stuff. Note: Batman did not carry a gun and still managed to effectively fight crime. :thumbs:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zil
Batman was a drama queen, which is why carried all those nifty little tools in his utility belt, which by the way, totally clashed with his tights. If he carried a gun, he would not have gotten in near the trouble he got in.Quote:
Originally Posted by WebHead
I don't think so. Batman was dark and mysterious and lept out from the shadows to defeat his enemy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Larommi
http://www.pmdesign.org/school/final/Images/shout.jpg
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Originally Posted by WebHead
Again, you shoot your mouth off (no pun intended), proclaiming that hunting has to do with killing someone. Its totally different, but you can't understand that, because all you think is: "Guns are bad. They are always evil. The BB that got me when I was a kid proves that all guns are bad."
Who is the blind one here? You can't even see the other side of this issue because you refuse to.
And a deadly BB stops Batman in his tracks.Quote:
Originally Posted by WebHead
The first post in this thread talks about how a guy killed some innocent people at some kind of hunting place. I saw a father get killed by guns in front of his children years ago. I turn on the TV and look at the newspaper and see how man countless accidental deaths happening from guns. What other conclusion can I draw? Here's the thing,.. if YOU know that you are not stupid and that your gun is not bad, then my words should have zero impact on you. Right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zil
Indeed. I cried and I ran away. :thumbs:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zil
Aww y'all is so stoopid. Batman got Barry Bonds hooked on steroids. Geez the only real super hero is Captain America! :thumbs:
Don't let the bullets get me Moltar!
OK, I've done, and still do, vermin hunting. I have a fully licensed double-barrel 12-bore shotgun, and went through a lot of checks to get the relevant permits. I'm also a highly skilled marksman, and have won prizes for my shooting. I can justify my using a gun in terms of protection of crops, but that doesn't mean I like using it. The only time I use the shotgun is crop protection, and the only time my .22 air guns come out of the cabinet is for inanimate target shooting. I have guns, but do not like them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zil
I have trained Scouts (aged 10.5 - 14) to load and shoot the airguns at inanimate targets. But before I do this, I always give them a full understanding of what guns can do, and make sure they have a full respect of this before I let them handle the guns.
The thing that scares me is, by the sounds of it, Webhead as well, is that there are people who don't have this understanding and respect. There's a lot of IT workers on this forum, and a lot of those in some form of support who must routinely ask "how do these muppets dress themselves in the morning?". Would you trust these people with a loaded gun?
To quote a well known phrase:Quote:
Originally Posted by WebHead
Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
If you take away the guns, they'll just use some other means.
I understand where your coming from Webby but living in a country where the normal street person is not licensed to carry firearms or use anything but reasonable force you get a more distinct perspective on life.
It seems every night there are more and more news stories of armed hoodlums shooting at bystanders or the police,perps coming to blags fully armed [with weapons which may have got into their hands because of the recent ban on firearms and firearm clubs by over eager politicians looking after their careers and not their electoret].Where giving a helpful hand through the window to someone breaking into your house or car can get you a more trouble than them [as in jail time].
Im all for restricted firearms licensing [just how many weapons does one person need as many of you Yanks seem to own several at one time?] but there comes a point [like in the UK]where the percentages favour the crim and not the law abiding citizen.Having legaly armed law abiding citizens living on every street corner has got to be some sort of deterrent in these situations hasn't it?
One of the major problems officers face is the lack of an non lethal alternative to a projectile weapon.Tazers,bean bag rounds,pepper spray and truncheons are all good and well but are restricted in there uses in fast moving possibly life threatening situations.
As to the officers killing the father in these situations there is usually an well publicised internal investigation did it not get much coverage in the news?
Yes, but the most part those means ensure the fight is upclose and personal and my opinion, more survivable.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3fingersalute
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Originally Posted by NooNoo
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Originally Posted by PuterGeekGirl
Ok, this is a classic story. As has been mentioned before, firemonkey and I worked together for 3 years at Best Buy as techs. It was during a weekday, about 11:30 or so. I was workign the Audio/Video counter, and firemonkey was working the computer counter. I had a guy come in with a camcorder, and he told me the fold out screen was not working. I asked him to tell me when he noticed the problem. He said " I started having problems after I dropped the camcorder on my driveway during a party." There was a good deal of physical damage to the ouside, and it was easy to see it was abused. I informed him that it was not covered, and he would need to pay for the repair. As expected, he was very upset and started screaming. A manager heard this and came over. The manager ended up walking away after telling the customer multiple times to watch his language. The customer then looked at me and said " This is not Best Buy, it is Best Lie!!! Best Lie!!!!!". As he is saying this, he is ripping up his reciept and warranty book. He leaves the little pieces on the counter and sprints out of the store. I tried to bring him the camcorder, but I did not see him outside. I put the camacorder on the counter, and went back to work. About 5 minutes later, he sprints back into the store and grabs the camcorder. He rips the tape door and screen off of the camcorder, and slams it on the counter. He then sprints out of the store again. The manager came back over, and we were able to put the bits of ripped up warranty together and find the warranty #. We then had his address, and the manager had me mail the camcorder certified mail back to the customer. When I saw the picture of the killer on the news, this is the first person I thought of, and so did firemonkey. The area he was living in also matches up, So it is possible. Stories like that make me glad that I am not in retail any more.
not if they're carrying a sword ... although they'd stick out like a sore thumbQuote:
Originally Posted by NooNoo
Wow...........so you guys didn't really know him, you just had a run-in with him before so to speak??Quote:
Originally Posted by Camaro80z
That would be a better way to put it, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3fingersalute
I'll just conceal carry a bow and some arrows then :p I may have to gain 400 pounds first inorder to be able to adequately conceal it though :eek2:Quote:
Originally Posted by NooNoo
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Originally Posted by Camaro80z
Sounds like your lucky he didn't come back in with a gun! :eek: :eek:
Damn dude...you DON'T blame the officers? Sounds to me like your police force itself may be trigger-happy, and not "society" as you put it...why is it you're quick to blame society, but not once do you mention the personal responsibility aspect? Lemme guess, all the officers involved either walked away, or at most got a slap on the wrist.Quote:
Originally Posted by WebHead
Maybe you need to change your laws out there, and ensure that the officers are held accountable for their actions.