Very interesting differing views
Wished I had watched the show, probably would have been very good.
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Very interesting differing views
Wished I had watched the show, probably would have been very good.
That's what makes atheism such a beautiful thing at times. You don't have to question the motives of your lord, savior and king. You just go with the flow, and mumble that sometimes sh!t happens.
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Originally Posted by Ya_know
Yup.
you don't have to be an atheist to say that, sh!t does happen. too many people try to find a reason for everything nowadays, rationalization is another form of emotional repression. something bad happens, and in this case something that makes you stop and think about much in your life (priority wise), and we automatically want to find some explanation that will ease our conscience. whether your God, god, gods fearing, or atheist, most people will be bothered by they're conscience in those times. so we'll turn to explanations to take our focus away from the helplessness, and insecurity that these events bring forth in our own lives. it always surprises me when i see people blaming the big old spanking stick of God. if you believe in God of the bible you're already aware that all this is supposed to happen, why the big freak i still wonder? one thing i did like that was said tho...that there wasn't more death, this was these people's time to go, period...it is a time of mourning, and notice how these kinds of tragedies always bring out the good in most people, i said most ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ya_know
This is why muslim countrys hate America (an many other non chrisitan countrys, orthose that dont share chrisitan belifies)). your alwasy touting your relgious belifies and are on a conversion mission (wors of which was the crusades which as set the precdent for Muslim/Christian relations. Makes me happy I'm a Wiccan/Budist! (still havent settleds on one so im going with both! :)
If something disasterous happens to the US how many think that the other world religions would belive that their deity had smited the infedels?
Religion should be about tollerance (these are your belifes, they are not hurting anyone so be it), and not about we're right your wrong becasue "god" (natural disaster) beat you up. My point is "He" may or may not have who are we to say?
i have to remind you that the crusades were made by men, something very different than God actually doing it Himself. they were, and still are one of the worst atrocities. they only used God's name to justify their disgusting behaviour :(Quote:
Originally Posted by RejectionMan
OK. I'm sure that makes the father of the 6 month old who was swept from his arms feel a lot better. And I'm sure all it was time for all those innocent children to go to (nearly a third of the deaths are estimated to be children) what a f***ing joke https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by i n e p t
i think you misinterpreted what i was saying, i don't take it lightly, or even know what it's like to lose a child. i sympathize, but honestly, i would rather lose my child when he's very young, than later. and since when has innocense had anything to do with death, where is that reasoning coming from?Quote:
Originally Posted by kato2274
Yeah, that first person put their view very well. Might not wholly agree with it, but very, very well put with the whole God is all good, but bad things happen problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by i n e p t
oh and kato, please remove the smiley from what you quoted from me, it is very misleading as i put it exactly where it was supposed to be, you erased what went b4 it and now it just makes my statement look really sick. thx ;)
I'd like to formulate a response that would articulate much better exactly what I feel / believe on this particular subject......but I'm not sure I have it in me today. It's been a long day hectic day to this point my brain is half fried and I'm affraid everything is going to come out wrong and cause a big flame war, so I'm not going to even try.Quote:
Originally Posted by i n e p t
maybe I'll revisit this after lunch if I'm feeling re-energized and more coherent in my thought. . . .
my bad....not intentional....will fixQuote:
Originally Posted by i n e p t
thx https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2006/04/1.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by kato2274
God is about man. God does not control the earth... He may or may not have been responsible for it coming into being. The systems that "run" the earth are subject to change. The plates moved, the earth quaked, the wave happened.
Blaming God? No. Blame People? No. Blame physics and chemistry?
The appalling loss of life cannot be fathomed. One person did point out that a similar number of people die of starvation or poverty related disease every day... now that is far more staggering a statistic.
since society needs a guilty party, i blame science, if we wouldn't know about earthquakes, this would never have happened, period!! stupid science https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif
Blame global warming.....just like this idiot: "Friends of the Earth Director Tony Juniper told the same British newspaper, "Here again are yet more events in the real world that are consistent with climate change predictions." A spokesperson for the Indonesian arm of Friends of the Earth told Agence France Presse, "We can expect in the coming years similar events happening as a result of global warming..." http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/...3002-5490r.htmQuote:
Originally Posted by NooNoo
Things happen for a reason, we just dont always understand all of them. I assume that God does control Earth, maybe not always but most of the time. And he was responsible for it coming into being. My beliefs anyway.Quote:
God does not control the earth... He may or may not have been responsible for it coming into being
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Originally Posted by i n e p t
I see your point, if given a choice, sure, at a young age, rather than old, why get so close to the child when you're about to lose him. Better yet, right after the child throws an angry fit when you wouldn't give them a treat because they haven’t had dinner yet, that would be the best time I can think of. :rolleyes: Yeah man, your rational isn't what it's cracked up to be, where are you trying to go with this?
Bottom line is, if you have any faith, and you suffer from a catastrophic event, you WILL question that faith. Two things come to mind, either you despise your god for what happened, or rationalize that god must not exist, why would he facilitate this kind of mass suffering? Either way, I don’t think there’s anything that could express what I would feel towards any god should I lose a child to murder, senselessness, or a catastrophe.
That's pretty much atheism in a nutshell…Quote:
Originally Posted by NooNoo
I didnt want to say atheist, but ya_know said what I was thinking :eek:
Maybe, just maybe catastrophies are a test of God. I know people tend to question their faith, but in the end, faith is total and unquestionable belief. For me it is.
Bingo, in the end true faith will let you grieve, yet also joy that your child is in God's arms and will never be let go while waiting to be put back into your own arms at a later day.Quote:
Originally Posted by TechZ
i said "I" would rather lose my child at a young age, my personal preference. is that clear now ya_know? does that make me a bad man, does it change the love i have for my two boys...no. ur always a little quick on the draw there ya_know, relax man, breath through ur nose. and catastrophies will not always make you question ur faith. some do, some don't, it's that simple ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ya_know
That's the part that cracks me up the most. When someone dies, a "faithful" person is typically mad at god for the loss. And sad for those lost. A faithful person may not smoke, and also eats health, staying fit, all in order to live longer on earth. Why? If you believe so much, you should eat raw bacon fat, smoke 10 packs a day, drive without a seatbelt, and otherwise take every chance you can to bring you to heaven on a fast boat. Am I right, or just don’t understand because I’m atheist? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleetus
Aye! Faith that there is something more meaningful and significant than our brief stay on this particular mud ball. We are more than mere survival machines for our DNA (Richard Dawkins), more than meat bags on their way to the maggot fest. We have a spirit, everyone of us, which will endure beyond this temporary existence and transcend into a higher plane. Call it God, soul and Heaven, or spirit and Nirvana, or whatever you want, the idea is fairly universal among humans. Each one of us chooses their own path, for the limited amount of time we each have, and what we do, during this life, defines what will await us in the next.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleetus
I wasn't quick, I was reading exactly what you wrote, and it was presumed exactly as you expounded. I think it's weird to think that way, about your kids. I think that way about a cat, not my kids...Quote:
Originally Posted by i n e p t
ok, i see i need to spell it out for you https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif now would be better than say, when they have a wife, kids, and other friends who will all grieve upon their departure... better? it may be weird, but it's the way i see it. https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Ya_know
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Originally Posted by NooNoo
Did people miss this bit?
i wasn't referring to my grieving, i was referring to others grievances, the older you get, the more your life seems to affect others. now if my child would die now, i would grieve, as would my friends, relatives, etc. if he would be 30, married, with kids, and more friends...well you get the picture, there would be more people grieving. THAT is my point and the reasoning behind my statement. at a young age, the ripples death do not extend as far as when they are older. mother theresa's death left more people grieving that if she died in her 1st years, that is logical no?Quote:
Originally Posted by kato2274
i tihnk a post just disappeared. weird...
Its common Knowlegde NooNoo, and ppl also die cause meds cost too much, we do as much as we can, but we'd rather spend most of our money on ourselves.
I've been to places where ppl die of poverty, seen it and seen what happens around the place, its a balance, some people are really really rich and then there is the opposite, maybe if we shared more, we would reach a better balance. But what happens, cause of corruption and greed, they still stay poor, and the rich and better off in the "Developed" World get richer, but complain when things dont go their way.
And war doesnt help either.
You're trying to hijack the thread, and we'll have nothing of it. You saw the title of the thread, GOD and the TSUNAMI, nothing in there about global starvation, so get your own thread... :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by NooNoo
;)
Hmm The Norse believed that such things were caused by The Midgard Serpent ( a Giant snake that encircles the world and bites it's own tail ) and that this serpent was evil. Hence at Ragnarok Thor will kill the serpent with his mighty hammer but he himself will be killed by the venom spewing from the wound.
Christians Can believe that it was their God that allowed it to happen
Islamics can believe that it was God punishing the Infidels
But I put my belief that it is the serpent thrashing about :thumbs:
Either that or in the science that we are all inhabiting land masses that float on a liquid core of molten metal and rock.
And yes sometimes they smack together and cause earthquakes.
Those are highly populated Muslim countries too. Nothing of the sort crossed this muslims mind. :)Quote:
Islamics can believe that it was God punishing the Infidels
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Originally Posted by TechZ
Hey thanks for clearing that up. Further proof that you cannot trust what the media says here in the USA. They (the US media) were reporting that the Arabian countries feel that the tsunami was punishment for the people there. Maby they are trying to stir up anti Islamic sentiment here, that by the way I do not support or agree with.
pure BS, were all sad, out tiny little island has sent $10m, and Michael Schumacher sent the same too :D
about 10-15 bahrainis were also feared missing.
I had heard that some religion believed that the thing hit Thailand because of the rampant prostitution there. Don't remember where I heard it, or what religion...Quote:
Originally Posted by thorian
That is the part you don't understand. The day I truly began to believe in God, not the God of the bible, or jesus, or islam, or whatever, but God, and I excepted it into my heart, I had faith. I have one life to live on the earth, wish I want to do to the full potential, but I do also know that there is God to take care of us afterwards as well. I grieve for those I lose now, but know that I will see them again. Just not yet(stolen from Gladiator)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ya_know
The interesting part of this discussion is cause and effect. On December 23rd, before the deadly earthquake and tsunami in the Indian Ocean region, there was a fairly massive 8.1 trembler N. of MacQuarie Island. Up until 12/26 it was the strongest event to strike the planet in 2004, but it went relatively unnoticed because of the remote location. It affected a lot more penguins than humans. I never heard one time that the supreme being was shaking the Southern Ocean/Pacific Ocean region to rein in the whoremonger penguins. (TIC)
As has been pointed out shelves and plates collide all over the world. Be it Anarctica, SE Asia, Alaska or other points. Most of the time the events go unnoticed (we get some pretty big shakes up here and there have been some very deadly resulting tsunamis), but there are a few times a year where unfortunetly a severe amount of life is lost. As with any natural disaster I don't deem it as retribution, but as the vagrancies of living on this pale blue dot.
Well, I'm glad you have that faith, I don't. I see it this way, religion is a made up thing to help the living cope with the fact that this is it…after this there is nothing. You die with your body, or something along those lines. Sure, I want to live forever, everybody does, religion gives you the presumption that you can...it’s real easy to believe something you want more than anything to be true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleetus
Again TechZ just a smidgen of mainstream America's unfamiliarity with Islam. Even our own "enlightened" media is as dumb as box of rocks on issues that it doesn't, but should, understand. :sad:Quote:
Originally Posted by TechZ