Is the Web a "dark hole" for "lonely" people?

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February 2nd, 2005, 01:55 PM
TripleRLtd

Is the Web a "dark hole" for "lonely" people?

I find what the Judge (who sentenced the teen who created the Blaster Worm variant) declared in such a sweeping and negative stereotype to be highly subjective and out of touch with the new world of online internet communications. But, I was wondering if I was the only one who thought this. My gosh; for as much time as many of us spend online with friends we have found here (or "enemies" https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif), what does that say about us? And, I don't mean to condone what the currently 19 year old did, which was wrong, but I question what this "Judge" seemed to say about some internet users.
Anyway, here is the article:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6881275/

Quote:

He could have gotten 10 years behind bars, but the judge took pity on him, saying his neglectful parents were to blame for the psychological troubles that led to his actions.

The Internet “has created a dark hole, a dungeon if you will, for people who have mental illnesses or people who are lonely,” U.S. District Judge Marsha Pechman said. “I didn’t see any parent standing there saying, ‘It’s not a healthy thing to lock yourself in a room and create your own reality.”’

Defense attorneys said that Parson feared leaving the house and that his parents provided little support...

So, what do you think?
February 2nd, 2005, 02:07 PM
TripleRLtd

BTW:
In a previous interview, the then 18 year old had this to say:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3078580/

Quote:

TODAY’: In cases like this, there are a lot of quick, simple characterizations of the accused given to the media — for example, he was a loner, he didn’t have friends, he was reckless, etc. How would you describe yourself?

PARSON: “I’m the complete opposite of the way I’ve been portrayed in the press. I’m not a loner. I have a very supportive close group of friends. I’m not reckless, I don’t do drugs, smoke or drink. This is the first time I have ever had a run in with the law. It’s hurtful to see the accounts of me. I’m not depressed, embarrassed about my weight, or a misfit. ”
February 2nd, 2005, 02:10 PM
NooNoo

I think if you do find yourself in the wrong community, that's exactly what you end up in - a dark hole. The same can be said for winding up in a gang.

Everything has a dark side and the mentally ill have always been morbidly attracted to that which the "well adjusted" would never entertain.
February 2nd, 2005, 02:12 PM
Ya_know

I think you are taking it purely out of context. It's obvious that the judge was only saying that this applies to those that already have a challenged mental status, not that the Internet causes perfectly sane people to lose sense of realty.

Now will somebody turn down the Jacuzzi? It’s melting my wax nipple clamps!
February 2nd, 2005, 02:17 PM
TripleRLtd

And I agree.
But, I think that I am finding this to be an insult by an "older" generation, who have no idea about what the internet has become for so many people.
Online "communites" are such a new phenomenon and so misunderstood by those who just don't get it, or computers for the most part. I see and hear it everyday from, especially, older people who are just getting "into" computers and the internet.
February 2nd, 2005, 02:24 PM
confus-ed

Go on then .... I'll be the bad guy on this thread too .. sooooo ... I agree wholeheartedly with the judge ! :eek2:

I can think of one or two around here who fit his description ! One of them has wax nipple clamps ! :devil:

Let battle commence ! :grin:
February 2nd, 2005, 02:26 PM
Cleetus

It allows redneck wannabe's to become ego-centic sociopaths totally dominating a group of people that they have never met in person.....

:devil:

So in short, I agree with confus-ed
February 2nd, 2005, 02:28 PM
TripleRLtd

Quote:

Originally Posted by confus-ed

... one or two around here who fit his description ! One of them has wax nipple clamps ! :devil:

Let battle commence ! :grin:

Perhaps you two should take that to a one of the old WD standby's:
You know:
FIGHT NIGHT AT WD!!!
https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif

Anyone care to oblige them? Cleete?
February 2nd, 2005, 02:49 PM
Ya_know

Quote:

Originally Posted by TripleRLtd

Perhaps you two should take that to a one of the old WD standby's:
You know:
FIGHT NIGHT AT WD!!!
https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif

Anyone care to oblige them? Cleete?

I will chew him up and $h!+ him out. He's lost to me once already this week...
February 2nd, 2005, 03:04 PM
Cleetus

Quote:

Originally Posted by TripleRLtd

Perhaps you two should take that to a one of the old WD standby's:
You know:
FIGHT NIGHT AT WD!!!
https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif

Anyone care to oblige them? Cleete?

What would that prove?
Aren't you the one that always buts in and stops any good conversation anyway?
Can't we all just get along?
February 2nd, 2005, 03:24 PM
Ya_know

http://www.courttv.com/graphics/ctv/.../kingsmall.jpg

"Can't we all just get along..."
February 2nd, 2005, 03:36 PM
confus-ed

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ya_know

I will chew him up and $h!+ him out. He's lost to me once already this week...

In your opinion :p - we'll see shall we who actually 'won' that one .. (what did you win ? You won Noo asking me exactly what I was on about inbetween you trying to wind me up is what you won - so ta ! :thumbs: )

Anyway I'm taking no criticism from a man who thinks he looks like a big tough marine when very probably he looks like this https://forums.windrivers.com/
February 2nd, 2005, 03:45 PM
Ya_know

Quote:

Originally Posted by confus-ed

http://khs.sandi.net/galaxy/galaxy00...te/lunatic.jpg

Dude....

That's harsh... :sad:
February 2nd, 2005, 03:46 PM
Ya_know

Wait...

That's Julie ON!
February 2nd, 2005, 03:51 PM
Cleetus

I think Trip should be banned for calling us all names and trying to start a fight.
February 2nd, 2005, 04:05 PM
TechZ

There are always two sides to everything, the Internet can be what the judge said, or it can be the exact opposite. Most of the people I meet arent "lonely" people and I dont find the Web a "dark hole".
February 2nd, 2005, 04:12 PM
TripleRLtd

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cleetus

I think Trip should be banned for calling us all names and trying to start a fight.

https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif
I think that you'd probably love an enema.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Z

There are always two sides to everything, the Internet can be what the judge said, or it can be the exact opposite. Most of the people I meet arent "lonely" people and I dont find the Web a "dark hole".

Yes, I agree, it can be the exact opposite.
Perhaps I am taking her comments out of context, but she linked both mental illness and loneliness together.

Quote:

...people who have mental illnesses or people who are lonely

So, I take it that I am the only one who found these statements insulting many online community participants and members. https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif
February 2nd, 2005, 04:15 PM
Cleetus

Quote:

Originally Posted by TripleRLtd

Perhaps I am taking her comments out of context, but she linked both mental illness and loneliness together.
So, I take it that I am the only one who found these statements insulting many online community participants and members.

Maybe because it hit home so much becuase you are lonely OR mentally ill
February 2nd, 2005, 04:16 PM
confus-ed

Quote:

Originally Posted by TripleRLtd

.. So, I take that I am the only one who found these statements insulting. https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif

Time for you to try this then I think ! Will I Go Crazy? :eek2: :devil:
February 2nd, 2005, 04:19 PM
confus-ed

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cleetus

Maybe because it hit home so much becuase you are lonely OR mentally ill

Ouch ! (for poor old Trip !) ... I believe that trumps my 'lunatic picture' by a little too far ?... ;)
February 2nd, 2005, 04:19 PM
TripleRLtd

Quote:

Originally Posted by confus-ed

Time for you to try this then I think ! Will I Go Crazy? :eek2: :devil:

Thanks. Bookmarked for later perusal. https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2006/04/1.gif
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February 2nd, 2005, 04:21 PM
jitBob

Quote:

Originally Posted by confus-ed

Time for you to try this then I think ! Will I Go Crazy? :eek2: :devil:

So, what are we really arguing about here? Is the subject: Will wax from melted nipple clamps plug the hot tub filter or not? Or is it: Are retards the only ones who spend so much time on the net that they have no time for real people? Me, I vote for giving lonely people wax nipple clamps to sell on Ebay or chew on as they see fit.
February 2nd, 2005, 04:51 PM
TechZ

It wasnt professional of the judge to make those remarks.
February 2nd, 2005, 05:05 PM
TripleRLtd

Yeah, I agree, and I am going to see if I can find what else she had to say about this, like a transcript or something.

btw, I was going to let that barb slide cleete, but nah...https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif
So:

And jitBob: good question. I'm not really sure any longer. Although I did glean the following from -ed's website:

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2. Social Loneliness

"The individual feels cut off from a group that he or she feels is important. . .ostracism, exile. . ." This type of loneliness is often imposed on minority groups. (and rednecks...)

Defined more accurately, social loneliness is what you feel when you are unwillingly cut off from a social group that IS very important for your survival or well-being, and there's nothing you can do about it right now.

Now note cleete's sig:

Quote:

All alone, no one loves me https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif

Or this thread...amongst many others:
http://forums.windrivers.com/showthread.php?t=68517

Quote:

What all do I do that pisses you off so much that I am so hated here?

Or, the famous:
"bwaaaahhh....Stop stalking me...bwaaaahhh"
But, seriously cleete, lift your head up, you are well liked here.
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February 2nd, 2005, 05:12 PM
Cleetus

Ban him :butt:

Dude, you spend to much time and effort on this stuff
February 2nd, 2005, 05:19 PM
TripleRLtd

Come on, that's it???
What a disappointment you are sometimes. https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif
It's all good fun isn't it? https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2006/04/1.gif
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February 2nd, 2005, 05:23 PM
WebHead

It is just me and my computer in a dark room plotting ways to take over the earth in my own virtual fantasy world. I am alone and psychotic.

HA!! Just kidding :banana dude:
February 2nd, 2005, 05:24 PM
Cleetus

Quote:

Originally Posted by TripleRLtd

Come on, that's it???
What a disappointment you are sometimes. https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif
It's all good fun isn't it? https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2006/04/1.gif
https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/02/1.gif

No
February 2nd, 2005, 05:34 PM
TripleRLtd

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cleetus

No

Then why did you have to start? Huh? Why crap all over what I would have preferred to be a serious thread?
February 2nd, 2005, 05:37 PM
Cleetus

Quote:

Originally Posted by TripleRLtd

Then why did you have to start? Huh? Why crap all over what I would have preferred to be a serious thread?

It was all me? :rolleyes:

whatever, anyway,I think it is true, esp watching the way you are acting now.
February 2nd, 2005, 05:54 PM
TripleRLtd

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cleetus

It was all me? :rolleyes:

whatever, anyway,I think it is true, esp watching the way you are acting now.

Alright, let's just say that ya_got me. Alright? https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif
Now, in all seriousness, what do you think, really, about the stereotypes employed against supposed "rednecks"? And, I don't mean the jokes, but the below the belt barbs? Or, how about the negative stereotypes used against any minority, race, or gender? I have heard your arguments for a long time now, and I would have to say that you don't like them either. Unlees I am wrong.
So, what I am saying is that what this Judge claimed is also a stereotype, about people llke you and I. How about the young people here who are still in school? The ones who spend a vast amount of time in this or other online communities, be it chat or bb's. Or, even married adults? Or, single adults? Are they lonely? Mentally "challenged"?
What gives that Judge the right to paint such a horrid picture of so many people in a world she probably has no understanding of?
Can you answer me that?
February 2nd, 2005, 06:01 PM
WebHead

Well she *is* a judge afterall. It is her job to pass judgement. Sheesh,.. do I always have to come up with the answers for everything? :cool:
February 2nd, 2005, 06:31 PM
confus-ed

Quote:

Originally Posted by WebHead

Well she *is* a judge afterall. It is her job to pass judgement. Sheesh,.. do I always have to come up with the answers for everything? :cool:

Because you are sooooo good at getting them wrong ! :p - She *isn't* a mental health practitioner is she ?

.. Hang on, I'm meant to be agreeing with her, therefore the jury will ignore my previous remarks ! :D

She must have been browsing & read this at the BBC - Britain 'a lonely place to live'

Quote:

..Feelings of social exclusion were most common among people with mental health problems and often contributed to their illness...

You can find tons of this stuff on the web all over the place linking isolation & mental health issues, & I'm bemused why Trip finds this so difficult to accept, sure its a sterotype, but an applicable one !
February 2nd, 2005, 06:41 PM
TripleRLtd

Quote:

Originally Posted by confus-ed

You can find tons of this stuff on the web all over the place linking isolation & mental health issues, & I'm bemused why Trip finds this so difficult to accept, sure its a sterotype, but an applicable one !

That is NOT what I find difficult to accept -ed. Damn, read what I have written and what I have asked:

Quote:

So, what I am saying is that what this Judge claimed is also a stereotype, about people llke you and I. How about the young people here who are still in school? The ones who spend a vast amount of time in this or other online communities, be it chat or bb's. Or, even married adults? Or, single adults? Are they lonely? Mentally "challenged"?
What gives that Judge the right to paint such a horrid picture of so many people in a world she probably has no understanding of?
Can you answer me that?

My question is about linking this "loneliness and mental health issue" with internet use in such a blanket accusation !! Of course there are some out there like that . But, there are many, many others who are not either lonely or mentally ill. Unless of course you agree with her. You know, those like us who enjoy the comraderie of a place where fellow techs can meet and let off steam, thoughts, jokes, or whatever. Hey, even help users out there who are having problems. Remember that one? https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif

Listen. There are even those amongst us who in order to put someone down here like to accuse someone of not having a life. You know what I'm talking about, too. https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gifThat is such a low blow in a place like this. Especially when it comes from someone who seemingly spends hours and hours a day here and has been doing it for years. Now we have Judges making rulings from the bench which reflect negatively upon all of us. And , quite wrongly in my opinion.
February 2nd, 2005, 08:03 PM
Archer

Quote:

Originally Posted by confus-ed

You can find tons of this stuff on the web all over the place linking isolation & mental health issues, & I'm bemused why Trip finds this so difficult to accept, sure its a sterotype, but an applicable one !

So.............monks,nuns and hermits all have mental issues then?

BTW does this judge actually use the internet on a regular basis or are they making assumptions based on media scare mongering?
February 2nd, 2005, 08:15 PM
WebHead

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archer

So.............monks,nuns and hermits all have mental issues then?

I'm guessing *yes* to all three.
February 2nd, 2005, 08:39 PM
TripleRLtd

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archer

So.............monks,nuns and hermits all have mental issues then?

BTW does this judge actually use the internet on a regular basis or are they making assumptions based on media scare mongering?

Exactly!! https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2006/04/1.gif
And, I, too, would like to know more about this "Judge". That is my point here: What gives that Judge the right to paint such a horrid picture of so many people in a world she probably has no understanding of?

And, wrbby, I suppose that you agree with her then? If that is the case, what explains you? https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif
February 2nd, 2005, 09:37 PM
Archer

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Another Ninth Circuit district court vacancy has been filled with the confirmation of King County, Washington, Superior Court Judge Marsha Pechman to the bench on September 8, 1999. She will fill the position to be vacated by Judge William Dwyer, who is retiring as United States district judge for the Western District of Washington.

Senators Patty Murray (D-Wash.) and Slade Gorton (R-Wash.) in January picked Pechman with the help of a 12-member panel and sent her name to the White House for an FBI check. President Clinton nominated Judge Pechman on March 24.

Judge Pechman, 48, of Seattle, has served on the King County bench since 1988. Prior to that, she worked as a deputy prosecutor with the King County Prosecutor’s office, as an associate and partner with Levinson, Friedman, Vhugen, Duggan, Bland and Horwitz, and as a law professor at the University of Puget Sound and the University of Washington.

Judge Pechman earned her undergraduate degree from Cornell University in 1973 and her law degree from Boston University in 1976.

US Courts.gov

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Judge Marsha J. Pechman, of Seattle, Washington, has been a judge on the King County Superior Court since 1988. Prior to this appointment, she was an associate and partner with the firm of Levinson, Friedman, Vhugen, Duggan, Bland & Horowitz from 1981 to 1988. Judge Pechman previously held several academic appointments, including Clinical Professor and Director of the Law Practice Clinic with the University of Puget Sound School of Law from 1986 to 1987, Instructor and Staff Attorney with the University of Washington School of Law from 1979 to 1981, and Adjunct Professor at the University of Washington School of Law from 1983 to 1987. From 1976 to 1979, she served with the King County Prosecutor's Office as a Deputy Prosecutor. Judge Pechman received her B.A. in 1973 from Cornell University and her J.D. in 1976 from Boston University.

Clintonpresidentialcentre.org

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Workers Get Class-Action OK in Boeing Suit
(AP via Baltimore Sun - January 24, 2005 2:03 PM)
SEATTLE -- Current and former African American employees of Boeing Co. have been granted class-action status in their lawsuit accusing the defense giant of discrimination and harassing black workers. The ruling, handed down by U.S. District Judge Marsha ...

Buisness.com

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Seattle, WA - Judge Marsha Pechman issued an historic decision on the issue of Somali deportation, ruling to both 1) Continue the preliminary injunction that prevents the government from deporting people to Somalia
Judge Pechman was also perplexed by the government's argument that the Attorney General must have the tool of deportation in its war against terrorism.

http://www.hatefreezone.org/somali_d...name=article02

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Jeffrey Lee Parson, 19, of Hopkins, Minn., will serve his time at a low-security prison and must also perform 10 months of community service.

He could have gotten 10 years behind bars, but the judge took pity on him, saying his neglectful parents were to blame for the psychological troubles that led to his actions.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...in670176.shtml

Mind he does look like a typical dork though......
February 2nd, 2005, 09:51 PM
TripleRLtd

Ah, a Clinton appointee. That should open a new can of worms. https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif
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Yeah Archer, the kid is an arsehole to the nth degree. But, he is not my point, but what she said about the internet and its users.
Here is more of what she said:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...terworm28.html

Quote:

Instead, she said she was swayed to the more lenient sentence because of Parson's history of mental health problems and because his home life "sounds grimmer than many prison camps I've visited."

She also sentenced Parson to three years of supervised release and 100 hours of community service after he is released. In an effort to get the 19-year old on a college track, she said any hours spent attending preparatory classes for the SAT or ACT college tests, and taking those tests, could be deducted from the 100-hour requirement. "You shook the foundation of the system," Pechman told Parson in court before doling out the sentence. "Because as we launched ourselves into this new world of technology, we assumed it had the same foundation of bricks and mortar that we find in the real world."

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Pechman told PARSON his community service had to be through face-to-face contact with others and restricted his use of computers to only educational and business purposes. She told him "No video games, no chat rooms. I don't want you to have anonymous friends, I want you to have real world friends." She also stressed that part of PARSON'S supervised release will involve a mental health program.
February 2nd, 2005, 11:02 PM
TripleRLtd

I also found this from a Brit site:
http://wheresthebeef.co.uk/

Quote:

...And the finisher!:The Internet "has created a dark hole, a dungeon if you will, for people who have mental illnesses or people who are lonely," Pechman said. "I didn't see any parent standing there saying, 'It's not a healthy thing to lock yourself in a room and create your own reality.'"
Woah Judge, way-to-sum up your knowledge of the internet. "A dark hole, a dungeon if you will" HOW DID THE JURY NOT LAUGHT HER OUT OF THE ****ING COURT? Amerikkka I blame you for this. Mental Illnesses or lonely? Would you like a translation? Here you go!:
THE INTERNET IS NEW, I AM OLD AND NOT WILLING TO ADAPT OR LEARN. I AM SCARED OF THE INTERNET, I FIND IT THREATENING ME BECAUSE IT IS DIFFERENT AND CONFUSING. I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT IT IS, MY CO-WORKERS HAVE EXPLAINED IT TO ME USING CONFUSING ANALOGIES WHICH I WILL DEFINITLY USE IN MY CASE. TELEVISION HAS TAUGHT ME THAT LONELY PEOPLE ARE MENTAL PATIENTS USE THIS (which TV series did she get that from?) INTERNET THINGY.

Seriously guys! Educate your judges as to what the Internet is. You never know, It might make for some fair and sensical results.

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