Follow up Ebay Pirate

I most likey should have included this in my first post, But, I found a second pirate using the exact same scam selling Photoshop 7, CS, And Macromedia Dreamer Weaver MX.

Member Name : biohunter4

Todays Item: Here

This Chump even supplies a KeyGen as shown in his listings:

Completed listings

Full version on CD. Does not come with manual. Also included is initial serial number and a serial number generator (just in case the initial number does not work). Please e-mail before bidding if you have any questions about this product. I've only installed this on PCs, not MACs, so I can not guarantee that this version will install on your MAC. HAPPY BIDDING

I guess not enough people report these guys because I've been watching this guy for 2 weeks!!
Trout

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Originally Posted by Trout

I most likey should have included this in my first post, But, I found a second pirate using the exact same scam selling Photoshop 7, CS, And Macromedia Dreamer Weaver MX.

Member Name : biohunter4

Todays Item: Here

This Chump even supplies a KeyGen as shown in his listings:

Completed listings

Full version on CD. Does not come with manual. Also included is initial serial number and a serial number generator (just in case the initial number does not work). Please e-mail before bidding if you have any questions about this product. I've only installed this on PCs, not MACs, so I can not guarantee that this version will install on your MAC. HAPPY BIDDING

I guess not enough people report these guys because I've been watching this guy for 2 weeks!!
Trout

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I'd suggest sending an email to Adobe with a link to this joker's auctions. They'd be more likely to do something about it than ebay since it's their product that is so shamelessly being pirated.

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Originally Posted by imaeditedbysowulo

I'd suggest sending an email to Adobe with a link to this joker's auctions. They'd be more likely to do something about it than ebay since it's their product that is so shamelessly being pirated.

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Reporting Software Piracy

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Originally Posted by 3fingersalute

Reporting Software Piracy

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Done. See that wasn't so hard, so anyone want to post a link for reporting him to ebay? Cuz I'd be more than happy to fill out the form and bring the scourges of **** down upon this pirate.

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Originally Posted by imaeditedbysowulo

Done. See that wasn't so hard

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I did it before I posted it.

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Originally Posted by 3fingersalute

I did it before I posted it.

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Was it as good for you as it was for me? :redeyes:



Seriously tho, how bout a report link for ebay also. I'm too lazy to figure it out on my own.

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Originally Posted by imaeditedbysowulo

Was it as good for you as it was for me? :redeyes:



Seriously tho, how bout a report link for ebay also. I'm too lazy to figure it out on my own.

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Har, ok lazy-***:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/...ed-copies.html

I think you need to be a member though.

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Originally Posted by 3fingersalute

Har, ok lazy-***:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/...ed-copies.html

I think you need to be a member though.

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Done. Thanks for searching out that link for me, I've got it bookmarked now.

This Chumps unreal,, New Name,, same city and state,, Even Recycled his Ebay Listing from last time he was banned LOL
CHECK THIS OUT

You might need to be logged into Ebay to view his full list of items for sale LOL

:flame:
Trout

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Originally Posted by Trout

This Chumps unreal,, New Name,, same city and state,, Even Recycled his Ebay Listing from last time he was banned LOL
CHECK THIS OUT

You might need to be logged into Ebay to view his full list of items for sale LOL

:flame:
Trout

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I reported all of his auctions from your link to ebay. My guess is that ebay will do nothing about it and the guy will have a whole new set of auctions by Monday selling the exact same thing with the exact same writeup.

Maybe microsoft is waiting til he makes a few million off selling their stuff so they can come take everything he owns.

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Originally Posted by imaeditedbysowulo

I reported all of his auctions from your link to ebay. My guess is that ebay will do nothing about it and the guy will have a whole new set of auctions by Monday selling the exact same thing with the exact same writeup.

Maybe microsoft is waiting til he makes a few million off selling their stuff so they can come take everything he owns.

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Interestingly,, I've kinda followed this suckers activity during the day up till the super bowl,
Heres His Newest Name and todays listings/sales !!!!

mysupercoolthings reported sunday 02/26/2005

7133027913,7133027870,7133027820,7132949381,713294 9451,7132949536,7132949618,7132949693,7132949838,7 132949928
7132950028,7132950126,7132956688,7132958292,713295 8599,7132958833,7132958964,7132959015,7132959111,7 132981285
7132981358,7132981415,7132958180,7132959226,713295 7901
7133027913,7133176505,7133176694,7133176998,713320 8123,7133176376,7133178506,7133176808,7133178414,7 132958180,7132959226,7132957901

So far,
His Names the past 5-6 days were
super_cool_things cool_super_things mysupercoolthings & wannabuyapc

All microsoft items on 1 DVD !! current items

Completed Items

This guys having a profitable super bowl !!!
trout

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Originally Posted by Trout

Interestingly,, I've kinda followed this suckers activity during the day up till the super bowl,
Heres His Newest Name and todays listings/sales !!!!

mysupercoolthings reported sunday 02/26/2005

7133027913,7133027870,7133027820,7132949381,713294 9451,7132949536,7132949618,7132949693,7132949838,7 132949928
7132950028,7132950126,7132956688,7132958292,713295 8599,7132958833,7132958964,7132959015,7132959111,7 132981285
7132981358,7132981415,7132958180,7132959226,713295 7901
7133027913,7133176505,7133176694,7133176998,713320 8123,7133176376,7133178506,7133176808,7133178414,7 132958180,7132959226,7132957901

So far,
His Names the past 5-6 days were
super_cool_things cool_super_things mysupercoolthings & wannabuyapc

All microsoft items on 1 DVD !! current items

Completed Items

This guys having a profitable super bowl !!!
trout

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You'd think that since he's clearly selling pirated software and he's accepting paypal that eventually this guy will get caught. Probably not tho.

I wonder when hes going to sell Clickheretosurf.com's stuff. :devil:

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Originally Posted by imaeditedbysowulo

You'd think that since he's clearly selling pirated software and he's accepting paypal that eventually this guy will get caught. Probably not tho.

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We Sent a list of completed listings item numbers To, MS, all 4 known names.
Based on Questions from buyers in his listings. Once an Item gets removed, Paypal cancels any current bids/transactions. Though I think some of the Buy It Now transactions fall through the cracks. One guy actually complained Question for Seller: "I did a buy it now on this item yesterday and the paypal wouldnt go thru"
Answer: Try again

I Do know this,, now that a few of you Guys N Gals have contributed to reporting him. He clearly gets kicked off FASTER~!! :thumbs:
trout :devil:

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Originally Posted by Trout

We Sent a list of completed listings item numbers To, MS, all 4 known names.
Based on Questions from buyers in his listings. Once an Item gets removed, Paypal cancels any current bids/transactions. Though I think some of the Buy It Now transactions fall through the cracks. One guy actually complained Question for Seller: "I did a buy it now on this item yesterday and the paypal wouldnt go thru"
Answer: Try again

I Do know this,, now that a few of you Guys N Gals have contributed to reporting him. He clearly gets kicked off FASTER~!! :thumbs:
trout :devil:

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Just keep postin up links of the fake auctions and I'll keep reporting. Maybe ebay will hire us fulltime.

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Originally Posted by imaeditedbysowulo

Just keep postin up links of the fake auctions and I'll keep reporting. Maybe ebay will hire us fulltime.

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:mult:

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Originally Posted by Trout

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Hes Back LOL New Name similar to the old one,Same Ads.
All Microsoft products on 1 pirate DVD
See HIS AD HERE


We forwarded at 12 of his items to MS and reported him to Ebay,, Note: he sold 12 copies already today!!!!

Anyone who has time please report his current listings to Ebay!!
Trout

Current Listings

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Originally Posted by Trout

Hes Back LOL New Name similar to the old one,Same Ads.
All Microsoft products on 1 pirate DVD
See HIS AD HERE


We forwarded at 12 of his items to MS and reported him to Ebay,, Note: he sold 12 copies already today!!!!

Anyone who has time please report his current listings to Ebay!!
Trout

Current Listings

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Done.

I contacted his last buyer to inform him he could get fined/jail time for using pirate software.

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Originally Posted by NooNoo

I contacted his last buyer to inform him he could get fined/jail time for using pirate software.

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! :eek2: ... I hope you worded what you wrote to him/her carefully - I know you are trying to do the right thing, but unsolicted mails threatening you ? - I'm sure you can imagine ...

Maybe the buyer knows its illegal 'strictly' but is using it for a legal purpose ?

.. 'so huh 'ed ?' everyone mutters, what are you on about now .. well say I paid for a copy of xp & then stood on the disk & later I needed my system disk, what can I do ? I can pay M$ for a replacement disc, copy one myself to use (if I'd done that before stomping on it), or 'aquire' one ..

The first two are definately allowed & even the third is ok, if you own a license anyway - who made the media or how that was sourced isn't a crime for a legitimate customer to use - the seller is the one breaking the law.

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Originally Posted by confus-ed

Maybe the buyer knows its illegal 'strictly' but is using it for a legal purpose ?

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Then why is the buyer paying someone else bucks for something they can get darn near free by making a phone call to Microsoft? Microsoft will provide replacement media for a very small charge if you can prove ownership of a properly licensed version of the software.

Microsoft neither condones the sale of nor recognizes the legality of software sold on a "license only, no media" basis unless the license is sold under the terms of a Volume or Select agreement with Microsoft. In those cases it is legal only because the reseller has already provided bulk media to the buyer, and the licenses become tied to that media. It has nothing to do with the lack of media or manuals - they're only a few dollars of the total price. Even bulk-OEM copies come with media and the seller is required to provide the media and CoA with each sale/purchase.

But in any case here's the deal-killer:

"...on the invoice I found the serial numbers ..."

No Certificate of Authenticity, no valid license. Not for any purpose.

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Originally Posted by confus-ed

! :eek2: ... I hope you worded what you wrote to him/her carefully - .

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I wrote to him... not you :devil:

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Then why is the buyer paying someone else bucks for something they can get darn near free by making a phone call to Microsoft? Microsoft will provide replacement media for a very small charge if you can prove ownership of a properly licensed version of the software...

No Certificate of Authenticity, no valid license. Not for any purpose.

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Oooo here comes Mr Microsoft again :p

1. Maybe they hate Billy with a passion & would rather give their cash to anyone but him ? :devil:
2. Have M$ started shipping all of office on DVD ? (thats what the dude here is selling)
3. & COA's aren't worth squatt as you should well know - they get traded all over the place & your last line is just plain wrong - you do not need a COA to have a valid bit of software ! What you need is a bill of sale or some other proof of payment from an accredited re-seller - since coa's are meant to be afixed to the chasis, what happens when you want to change cases ? (do I have to get the kettle out & try & steam it off ?) - does your software suddenly become illegal - nope !

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..Even bulk-OEM copies come with media and the seller is required to provide the media and CoA with each sale/purchase...

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& I'm none too sure about that bit either, lots of folks supply backup media which isn't the same as a system disk (& I don't remmber a big truck turning up with 10,000 CD's in it last time I was involved in Bulk licensing - you make your own generally), and as I said earlier if its pre-installed then the COA is meant to go on the case..

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..licenses become tied to that media..

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- you what ? So if it comes pre-installed on my harddrive - its only licensed for use on that medium ? So if I fit another disk & put any system files on it I'm using it illegally ? .. That can't be right !

& then there's all that 'downgrable stuff' (which I can't find a link for) - but memory tells me that later operating system licences entitle you to use earlier software (not concurrently) if you so choose ..

Sure ... 99% chance of it being completely illegal & the guy knowing only too well, but it is possible that someone wants it all on a DVD perhaps as they'd like it that way & haven't got either the kit or the ability to do it...

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Originally Posted by NooNoo

I wrote to him... not you :devil:

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I know honey :kiss: & I'm sure you picked your words carefully - you usually do :)

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Originally Posted by confus-ed

Oooo here comes Mr Microsoft again :p

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Someone has to tell the truth here.

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2. Have M$ started shipping all of office on DVD ? (thats what the dude here is selling)

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They don't and never have. Especially not this collection.

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3. & COA's aren't worth squatt as you should well know - they get traded all over the place & your last line is just plain wrong - you do not need a COA to have a valid bit of software ! What you need is a bill of sale or some other proof of payment from an accredited re-seller - since coa's are meant to be afixed to the chasis, what happens when you want to change cases ? (do I have to get the kettle out & try & steam it off ?) - does your software suddenly become illegal - nope !

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In fact, YES IT BLOODY WELL DOES. An OEM license is tied to the computer/hardware it was sold with, when that computer goes bye-bye then so does the license. That's clearly spelled out in the EULA. I don't care if you like it or not but it is so. If you don't think so then please file a suit against Microsoft, win in court, and free us all from the tyrrany.

Oh, and a CoA isn't just a "sticker". For retail software it's an actual paper certificate that comes with the software. But it doesn't matter whether it's a sticker or a piece of paper or whatever. No CoA means no legal copy and I don't give a darn if you have a hand-signed letter from Bill Gates himself saying he sold it to you without the CoA.

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& then there's all that 'downgrable stuff' (which I can't find a link for) - but memory tells me that later operating system licences entitle you to use earlier software (not concurrently) if you so choose ..

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A special case with Windows XP, and not extendable to the end-user. You can't find a link to it because you are not legally entitled to exercise that right. The OEM can install a different OS at customer request or on a product line that they are not XP-ready for. Volume/Select licencees may use this provision as well. But it is a straw-man arguement and has nothing to do with the case at hand - as you well know.

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Sure ... 99% chance of it being completely illegal & the guy knowing only too well, but it is possible that someone wants it all on a DVD perhaps as they'd like it that way & haven't got either the kit or the ability to do it...

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Another bullsh*t straw-man arguement. This guy isn't offering to make the DVDs up for legally licensed users. He's selling software illegally. Period.

Nice laymans terms eula faq here

I get what you are both saying...

RG, if you buy a pc with office oem on it, the licence is tied to the computer, period.

But if I may translate for Confus-ed....
You buy this cheapo but totally legal pc with office oem on it. Over the next few months each component becomes faulty and is replaced. Added to that upgrades such as more ram and a larger, faster hard drive is added. The case and psu was so cheap and nasty it was causing overheating and the psu so cheap that it blew the mainboard, so the case and psu is replaced.

Nothing whatsoever remains of the purchased computer. Through no fault of the user, every component was replaced and/or upgraded. Where does that leave the argument that the licence is tied to the original machine?

There must be an answer to this dilemma somewhere, but I have yet to find it.

I do agree that this guy is a bona fide pirate, and I believe Confus-ed does too, but I think he is trying to show that there is alot of confusion out there about what you can and cannot do. Oh and just to stir the pot my msdn subscription which includes office, comes on DVD :devil:

Yes I know, we are talking retail/oem, but I couldn't resist your statement that M$ has never released office on DVD.

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Originally Posted by NooNoo

Oh and just to stir the pot my msdn subscription which includes office, comes on DVD :devil:

Yes I know, we are talking retail/oem, but I couldn't resist your statement that M$ has never released office on DVD.

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SHHHHH!!! NOT IN FRONT OF THE KIDS!!! :devil:

Microsoft's official position on this subject sucks, IMHO. FWIW, I agree with confus-ed position that the software should be transferrable, especially in a case like the one you describe. If you'll pardon the pun. :p

But what it would boil down to in a situation where an audit was being performed would be the case stickers - if ya_got_em then you are okay, but if you had to replace the case because of a physical problem and didn't apply the stickers then ya_got_trouble.

At least Windows products get stickers ... You ought to see me trying to confirm my inventory and software licensure levels every year. Try assuring the corporate HQ that you're in full compliance with all license agreements for 250+ client PCs and about two dozen software packages ... knowing that it's your tushie on the line if you counted wrong. :sad:

This Guy Is Making a killing this weekend!! 34 completed Items @50-80 bucks a pop, and 17 more copies pending in the next 12 hrs.
We have reported him as Im sure many of you have, Nobody mansthe phones @ MS Piracy weekends and evenings and with "Buy It Now" (immediate payment required) Hes getting away with it,, BTW,, I Have His EMAIL Address!!!! or lets say,, The one he uses to respond to seller questions <snicker>

[email protected]

Dear XXXXXXXXXXXXX,

You asked:
"Do These Items come with a genuine COA hologramed Cert? or are you cheating microsoft selling PIRATE copies?"

Answer: can you read?

Most Likey thats one of those freebie mail addresses.
But Hey,Fill His Box LOL
Im Signing him up at penile disfunction sites :flame:

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Originally Posted by Trout

TNobody mansthe phones @ MS Piracy weekends and evenings and with "Buy It Now" (immediate payment required) Hes getting away with it

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No worries, the more he/she sells the bigger a potential criminal case can be built against him/her/it. And no, they don't answer that address 24/7, only during normal business hours.

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Im Signing him up at penile disfunction sites :flame:

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Someone should also be sure to sign up for several of the "JackRabbit" mailing lists too. :thumbs2:

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Originally Posted by rgharper

..In fact, YES IT BLOODY WELL DOES. An OEM license is tied to the computer/hardware it was sold with, when that computer goes bye-bye then so does the license. That's clearly spelled out in the EULA. I don't care if you like it or not but it is so. If you don't think so then please file a suit against Microsoft, win in court, and free us all from the tyrrany..

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I think you'll find that OEM licenses aren't tied to cases :p at all (follow Noo's arguement - plus which I can go buy one of those with 'selected' hardware {say a m/b or h/d or cpu} all over the place & legitametly too, else all the resellers in this country are breaking M$'s rules - so do I need one for each bit ? Or does my license only cover the bit I bought ? Its just cobblers is what it is !!!)- M$ has some very dodgy agreements & I believe that the EU are busy suing him as we speak (type) ;) under monoplies legislation, which we have & strangely you guys who are supposed to believe in free trade sooooo much don't ..

(btw : Big letters Required .. I KNOW THE SELLER IS ALMOST CERTAINLY A PIRATE, but I see tounge in cheek is still a bit of a strange concept to you 'yankee doodlies' ! :eek2: .. but I see reading on a bit, you caught on ! ;) )

Microsoft files first authenticity certificate lawsuits

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..There is "no legitimate reason why someone would need to buy a certificate authenticating an item without the item attached to it,"..

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Mmmm ain't there ? Mr Harper says there's a few ! :eek2:, like if you change all your bits out - btw just when in that process would you have to change it & be breaking/not the law, do I need a new license when I change say my printer if that came as part of my 'system' ? - If I buy an OEM bit of software with a cpu am I meant to stick the sticker to that ? .. No wonder the EU have taken them to court :rolleyes:

& the whole concept of EULA's is in doubt too ! As you have to pay (generally) before you sign .. Here's an example California EULA Lawsuit & again I think the EU are onto that one too, which again is being investigated under our free-trade laws as the relationship between M$ & the retailer is again a monopoly..

This whole subject is difficult .. & also a load of B.S. ! :D

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Originally Posted by confus-ed

I think you'll find that OEM licenses aren't tied to cases :p at allThis whole subject is difficult .. & also a load of B.S. ! :D

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At least we both agree on one thing. So bye.

There are still lots of dodgy software sellers out there. A simple search on ebay.co.uk found the following on the first page...

Office 2003 full at a buy it now price of £8.50???

This one slightly more expensive at £12

I can't be bothered with any more there's so many out there!

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Originally Posted by rgharper

At least we both agree on one thing. So bye.

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Oh I've upset him now :devil: .. & he didn't catch on to tounge in cheek at all :rolleyes: .. does he not know he's in the lounge ? - well sorry dude my intentions not to annoy .. well not that much that you take a huffy ! :eek2:

The rules on OEM sales shoot the rules on Retail sales in the foot is all I'm saying by BS - M$ should look at their own guidance & rationalise it for practicality too as at the minute their own licensing says that if you rebuild your crappy pc from 'whoever' you have to pay for some more software !

Also the average pc gets replaced every 18 months or so - how long has xp been out ? longer than that ... - why because I wanted a better pc do I need to pay for more software ?

Plain wong dude ! Sorry if my humourous look at it offends ! :)

Just my 2 cants, but if you look into it confus'ed has something here. In recent years EULA's have not been standing up in court. You cannot allow someone to buy software free and clear and then force them t oagree to whatever your terms are after the item is purchased or the product they bought is useless. You'll also find specifically that the "we claim no responsibility" clause is one that judges are having a hayday with, especially on lawsuits businesses are filing against m$ for crashes due to an update.