If not, then do it now. It's for a good cause:
http://www.live8live.com/
I've been watching with baited breathe all day just to see Pink Floyd again. :thumbs:
Talk about WOW!!!;)
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If not, then do it now. It's for a good cause:
http://www.live8live.com/
I've been watching with baited breathe all day just to see Pink Floyd again. :thumbs:
Talk about WOW!!!;)
I done sent my message, like so :-
Already ! :p .. but ta for reminding everybody else :thumbs2:Quote:
To :The 8 most powerful leaders in the world
50,000 people are dying, needlessly, every day of extreme poverty.
At this year's G8 summit meeting, it is within your power to put an end to this tragedy. It is an extraordinary opportunity which it would be shameful to ignore. We urge you to take these 3 steps to make extreme poverty history...
double the aid sent to the world's poorest countries,
fully cancel their debts,
change the trade laws so that they can build their own future.
COSTS NO MONEY (big letters required for 'tightwads' :D), just an email & a real name, they want signatures :)..
Done
Thanks for mentioning that -ed.Quote:
Originally Posted by confus-ed
And it's not too late even though the concerts are over with. The G8 Summit starts on July 6th, so the more names the better.
Aye: "We'll be watching you...every step you take..."Quote:
EDINBURGH (Reuters) - Leaders of a small group of major industrialised democracies have met every year since 1975 to discuss big issues facing the planet, but this week's Group of Eight summit in Scotland promises to be a bit different.
The massive Live 8 concerts around the world, staged to raise pressure on the G8 to attack African poverty, mean many people will be watching a summit they might never otherwise have noticed.
btw:
was the ending of the London show great or what!!!?? I wished I could have been a Londoner for a day yesterday:
The Who, followed by Pink Floyd, followed by Paul McCartny!!!
And, for the first time in my life I can give kudos to AOL...EEEK.
Yeah, they were the ones broadcasting every venue uninterupted and live and FREE. MTV could have learned alot from AOL. Too many talking heads and too many commercials...
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...n_tv/live_8_tv
I watched about an hour and a half of the London concert and I was wondering how long into that broadcast does one have to watch to see Pink Floyd? I also wonder how many signatures have been collected. This all was a nice effort and all, but I don't think the G8 leaders really give a rat's a@# for what anybody thinks about social issues. All they want is $ and your vote.
Well, it turned out that you had to watch about eight hours: almost to the end!! But, it was worth it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duke of Rezin
At last count, and correct me if I'm wrong, it was over 23 MILLION!
Whether or not the G8 leaders give a rat's arse? Well, one does, and his name is Tony Blair. Give credit where credit is due. Does that make a difference? We'll see....
:rolleyes: nope Trip he cares about votes & his 'legacy' - waaaaaaaaaaaaaay bad example there dude, Blair changes his policies to suit the trend of the day, the only thing imho he's ever said that's 100% true, is that he's a popularist leader - read that as I'll say 'whatever' to get a few more votes :eek2:Quote:
Originally Posted by TripleRLtd
Stand by to see a few cosmetic changes in an effort to appease the masses, as those G8 guys will have had a few 'policy meetings' about this subject for sure, (I saw a figure estimating 4.5 billion folks {2/3rds of the planet ?}, had at least seen/heard a clip from this ? - 'lots' anyway !) - I think them unlikely to ignore this, they can make political capital by appearing to do things ..
But the western ecconomy keeps fat off the back of 'iffy trade practices' based on the exploitation of the rest of the world, & the power behind all that 'ecconomy' isn't gonna let go too easily .. too much money at stake quite simply.
Edit :hang on :D .. that's the wrong 'message' - too cynical - sign the petition anyway whether you think it'll 'really' do any good or not, I think 'more noise' on this means more chance of more concessions, both bush & blair would love to be able to write 'sorted africa's problems' in their diaries, so they can sell some memoirs ;)
I do like Blair's oratory though. Sometimes the UK Parliament is on C-Span here and the guy can at least speak with authority and intelligence. BTY, I also like the way one person will get up and say his/her thing and then someone else will get up right after and respond. I don't know if this is regular business of the day or if we are just seeing select sessions but I also like the way everybody is actually present. Here, you will see a congressman or senator giving his/her rhetoric and then the camera will pull back and he'll be the the only person in the entire room.
Almost let your cynicism get the best of you there, huh -ed? :eek2:;)
btw:
updated link:
http://www.live8live.com/list/
I Got confus-ed ! what can I say ? :thumbs2:Quote:
Originally Posted by TripleRLtd
Still a bit of time left for this .. the G8 meeting doesn't break up until the 8th..so make your feelings known :thumbs:
Indeed. :thumbs:Quote:
Originally Posted by confus-ed
And on a side note about the MTV/VH1 lack of coverage. Check this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ADME:B:LC:US:1
:drink:
is this petion thing for proteting how much western gov't are giving in aide to africa dictater's and crimanals? help me a little bit? major is leting me use his computer. i discavered this site while sorfing so I am tring to undarstand.
Try Here which goes through the why's & wherefores of the proposals :thumbs: - Sir Bob -wants a bit more, same basic stuff, link debt relief to reform..
Listen to Nelson Mandela tell you here
& if you have questions .. it'll give me chance to bump this again ! :thumbs2:
I don't think there's much disputing, that what we do now (trade practices & existing aid for debt relief) keeps Africa poor, even the G8 guys have realised this, hence how come its on their agenda already, all this is aimed at persuading them to be generous & not just produce yet another 'fudge' which won't particularly help Africa or us in that our 'aid' will continue to be wasted on corruption or military capabaility when its supposed to get spent on infrastructure & food & medical aid.
Boy is that one can of worms you just found.... the "for the people by the people" lot want all debt cancelled and can't seem to see that people in africa don't spend the money - only the politicians and business people do... and if you had say your mortgage cancelled... do you go out and buy healthcare for your whole family or do you go "whooohooo" and buy a nice holiday and a new tv?Quote:
Originally Posted by Major Kong
On the other hand, if you attach conditions like "make sure that you spend this money on xyz" there are a million reasons why this won't be done - not least of which is us telling them how to run their countries... so they won't take the offer of cancellation... sigh.
As Ed has pointed out - do we, the western fat cats want to pay $10 for a fair trade plain white Tshirt when you can get 6 for $5 from a Walmart endorsed sweatshop?
Hang on, they realise that completely ! Many of the Liveaid proposals are aimed at removing control of budgets away from trade deals on aid (so we'll give you a $300 million loan if you buy our mining equipment or tanks to pay off that $250 million loan from last year :rolleyes: etc) - live aid want voluntary organisations like the red cross etc to have input both on monitoring what gets spent but on deciding about what it should be spent on too..Quote:
Originally Posted by NooNoo
This is all a very complicated arguement, as its not about 'what' - we all know that; 'african aid' .. but its about the fine detail of how & why - some of which you can find here D_A_T_A (debt, aids, trade, africa).
I don't know if I'm convinced of all the practicalities, but I'm most definately convinced of the moral rightness of this over what we do now !
:thumbs:Quote:
Originally Posted by confus-ed
I wouldn't say a can of worms was opened, but I would say that was a can of cynicism.
Anyone with half a brain knows there is no ONE solution to fix the poverty problem in Africa or elsewhere. Everyone knows that there is more to it than just giving aid. Debt relief and needed adjustments to the trade barrier problem are necessary as well. And, noone is suggesting that these problems can be solved overnight. Straw or Brown said that this was a lifetimes undertaking. As well, there are also problems of knowing (or not knowing) where the money ends up. Corrupt politicians and leaders in Africa are a problem indeed. See this:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...7350_1,00.html
That being said, I guess we could always just stick our collective heads in the sand, admit this problem is too big for us and we can't help end poverty or help Africa. We can just sit on our hands and do nothing. That sounds like a winning proposition, doesn't it? :rolleyes:
Altogether now: snap your fingers every three seconds....
Let's not forget that a lot of Africa's problems stem from an abysmal lack of education in the ranks of the masses. We can build all of the irrigation projects, hospitals and factories we want, it amounts to naught if the locals tear them apart to use the bricks to build huts. I agree, we need to start now, but the solution must involve a long term commitment to educating the masses, so they can take over things and we don't have to keep coming back.
There is plenty of money out there, only it is mostly in the hands of a very few. How can we justify paying our Corporate Leaders, Entertainers and Professional Atheletes multi-million dollar salaries? Why is there no Maximum Wage to go with the Minimum Wage? Say a $10 meg annual cap on any salary, with no loopholes or corporate perks and gimmes.
Whatever that was, its gone now!Quote:
Originally Posted by TripleRLtd
Fake live aid cd's for sale on e-bay !! There was a bit of coverage here about it, ebay must have pulled all the offending items..Quote:
Originally Posted by 3fingersalute
Nope, it was someone asking for bids thusly:
LEGALLY CHANGE MY NAME TO MTV SUCKS.LIVE8 EMBARRASSMENT
THE BASTARDS CUT OFF PINK FLOYD!!! LIVE 8.
And he would also tatto MTV Sucks on his arse, supposedly.
It had lots of comments and was referenced in many other forums, etc. It was even mentioned he might be interviewed. :rolleyes:
https://forums.windrivers.com/ WTF? https://forums.windrivers.com/ https://forums.windrivers.com/Quote:
Originally Posted by Major Kong
Me thinks I got to call up to work and find out who billeting put in my work apartment. https://forums.windrivers.com/
Meaning an 'imposter' was responsible for your slightly strange style ? - Folks say that about me, all the time :D .. I should definately check that out, I have enough trouble with making myself confus-ed, never mind if I had somebody 'helping me' - change of password required at least methinks ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Major Kong
huh???? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Major Kong
Judging by the grammar and syntax, it must have been a ten year old. Any shiny, new, green second lieutenants around? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Major Kong
Well according to the Billeting Office there was a young man from Point Hope staying in my apartment for 2 days. When I left Monday I was told my apartment would be used by a contrator friend of mine (Dan) who was up to do a fish count on the Wulik River. Instead they gave my room to the young man. Before I left I gave Dan permission to use my PC. I guess the fella used it instead. I had a co-worker go in and check everything and he told me all looked well. Since I don't keep anything personal (like CC #'s, checking, etc.) on the PC I'm not worried. Oh well (shrug).