[RESOLVED] Biggest stumper ever!

Ruahrc · January 1st, 2001, 10:58 PM

I have the biggest stumper of a problem you ever have seen.

Asus A7V
TBird 1GHz
VisionTek GF2MX 32MB
SBLive Value
128MB PC133 CAS2
20.5GB HDD (Pri Master)
LS-120 Floptical drive (Seconday Master)
48x CDROM (Promise Controller Pri Master)
Acer 4x4x32 CDRW (Promise Controller Sec Master)
Diamond SupraMax PCI Modem
300W Power Supply
W98SE

I upgraded this sytem from a KA7 and Athlon 700 thinking my problems were due to a bad motherboard. What was going on was, Windows would run just fine, but once I fired up any game it would lock randomly anywhere from 20 seconds in the game to over an hour.

I checked for overheating and am not OCing. I tried reinstalling windows, all the latest drivers, nothing works.

I bought a new motherboard and CPU and reinstalled everything AGAIN. All new drivers and everything again. This time the games don't lock up but spontaneously quit to the desktop. Diablo II will beep at me and lock (the beep I think is a windows error), UT will kick me to the desktop with a GPF, Worms Armageddon will just spontaneously kick me to the desktop.

If I disable sound drivers my games run stable, but what fun is that? I have tried reinstalling the drivers, trust me. I've tried every conventional method of fixing this thing.

Another thing I've noticed now, whenever I try to defrag my disk it will stop responding and I will have to press my reset button.

Drivers:
VIA drivers, installed the 4 needed drivers not including the DMA one, downloaded separately from their website because the versions were slightly newer than the 4in1 4.25a package.
Det3 6.31 drivers, coolbits registry enabled
SBLive Liveware 3.0 with the Creative Driver update for W98
Installed DirectX 8 but downloaded a DX uninstaller and reinstalled 7.0a. Both don't work.

I have reinstalled windows 4 times now, and have reinstalled drivers god knows how many times. I tried disabling the SB16 emulation and all that, tried checking for overheats, scanned for viruses, reinstalled reinstalled reinstalled, replaced every component of hardware in my system with identical counterparts save my HD, CDrom, LS120 and CDRW, mobo and CPU (Which I bought new ones for). Even changed out the PS, tried reinstalling everything on a different HD (WD 6.4GB ATA33), NOTHING WORKS.

What is going on??????????????? Is my computer just cursed or something? When I first built my 700 in the summer it worked great no problems whatsoever. I am fairly certain I didn't change anything other than maybe some software or something but I started to get locks in my games and it slowly got worse. What do I do? This is really frustrating. I have tried sysopt.com's forums and haven't been able to find an answer there, I was hoping you guys knew.

Ruahrc

GirlGeek · January 1st, 2001, 11:44 PM

You're right..what a puzzler.

A couple of things to try.

In BIOS, make certain ram settings are for 133 and not 100. Your board defaults to pc100.

Power Supply may be too small.(I know, 300 is large but AMD's take a lot) I'm running a 250 with a AMD 1GHz TB and I lock up in Diablo as well. Just a thought.

Another tech(Mustang) was concerned that maybe you didn't update your agp drivers. Try this link.
http://www.asus.com/Products/Motherb...r_utility.html

Good luck!

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Now...if I could only defrag my brain...

[This message has been edited by GirlGeek (edited January 01, 2001).]

Mustang · January 1st, 2001, 11:44 PM

Have you tried downloading the newest drivers from the asus site
heres a link http://www.asus.com/Products/Motherb...r_utility.html

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Directions???? What are directions?????

[This message has been edited by Mustang (edited January 01, 2001).]

DR · January 2nd, 2001, 12:04 AM

Just a thought. What and how many applications do you run in the background? If you are not connected to the net there is no need to run a virus scanner. You might try shutting down all programs but the ones you need to run the game. Some find it useful to make a boot disk just for playing games.

**Sowulo** · January 2nd, 2001, 12:20 AM

Did I read all the details correctly? I think you said that everything was fine when you removed the soundblaster drivers? Perhaps you could try the original drivers off the install CD (believe me new drivers are definitely not always the best solution). Also, suggested but not mentioned specifically, did you try a different sound card?

[This message has been edited by sowulo (edited January 04, 2001).]

**NPaladin** · January 2nd, 2001, 01:28 AM

FIrst thing, is the Promise controllers don't always handle CD drives well...they're meant for hard drives. Tried that configuration yet?

Also, try removing the sound card, and running everything without it. And keep going like that piece by piece (removing one device at a time) and see if that does it. You also might need to shuffle the devices around and change their IRQ configuration.

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Bryan Pizzuti
CompTIA A+, CNAP
[email protected]
ICQ # 8525092
Yahoo Messenger: npaladin_2000

Ruahrc · January 2nd, 2001, 02:24 AM

Nice Website- even has the older 4.24 and 4.23 drivers! (Which I was thinking of trying) I installed the 4.25's already though. If I just run the installer for the 4.24 then should it revert me back or do I need to delete some files first?

I'll try using the LW2.0 CD again, but I think I tried that with my 700.

I did actually try slipping an ISA sound card (That is all I have besides my SBLive) into my KA7 when I had that... I still got locks.

I'm new to this 4 IDE Header stuff... I tried some combos with my drives but couldn't get what I wanted to work... I would like this:

-Each device alone as master on a chain.
-LS-120 be the first bootable device
-IDE Drive next
-CDROM last

I tried putting my HD on the ATA100 chain but it wouldn't boot off of it. How do I arrange this?

Thanks

Ruahrc

Oh yeah my RAM is set for PC133. Also, does anyone have the file called viagart.cat? I was installing the VIA AGP drivers and it asked for it, but it apparently wasn't in the downloaded file. I really doubt it but this still could be the source of my problem?

[This message has been edited by Ruahrc (edited January 02, 2001).]

**NPaladin** · January 2nd, 2001, 03:11 AM

That missing file IS your problem....that's the AGP driver for the motherboard!!!

TO boot offf of the ATA-100 controller, you have to set your boot sequence to SCSI, then IDE....technically, the ATA-100 controller is considered a SCSI controller.

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Bryan Pizzuti
CompTIA A+, CNAP
[email protected]
ICQ # 8525092
Yahoo Messenger: npaladin_2000

Ruahrc · January 2nd, 2001, 03:00 PM

I moved some PCI Cards around and tinkered and got my SBLive all alone on IRQ5 with the same problem.

Something I noticed that happens to my games: I will be in the game and it works fine. Then all of a sudden the keyboard won't respond. So in UT I would be able to look around and fire with the mouse but not be able to move. After about 5 or 10 seconds of this it will boot me to the desktop.

Ruahrc

IF that file is my problem- WHO HAS IT SO THEY CAN EMAIL IT TO ME!

Cameron · January 2nd, 2001, 04:26 PM

I think your graphics card is inadequate for your system. From what I have researched, a 1GHz machine should be running a GeForce2GTS minimum. You could even use a GTSUltra. MX cards are for sub-700MHz machines.

**scutterboy** · January 2nd, 2001, 06:24 PM

I certainly dont agree that the gfx card isn't good enough. If you've replaced the other components it could be faulty but I doubt it's the fault.
Have you used the NVidia detonator3 driver for the GFX card? I think it is the best driver for any NVidia based card.

Main point when you said youd installed the VIA AGP driver alarm bells rang. I've had that 4 in 1 driver FUBAR more then one system. I've stopped using them.

Definately consider the Nvidia D3 driver.

Cheers
Scutter

I just re read your post saw that you're using D3. I'm fairly convinced the VIA driver is your problem.

[This message has been edited by scutterboy (edited January 02, 2001).]

Cameron · January 2nd, 2001, 08:25 PM

The GF2MX card is way too slow for your system. I'm not saying that this is the complete answer to your problems, but you should be running at least a GF2GTS. The difference being that the MX is a stripped down version of the GTS. The MX runs at 175MHz, the GTS at 200MHz. The MX has two rendering pipelines, the GTS has four, giving it twice the fill rate. The MX is a good card but you need to match the card to your system. Your's needs something with more grunt.

Ruahrc · January 2nd, 2001, 10:50 PM

Agreed, the MX is the bottleneck for my system, but there are 2 problems with upgrading:

1. My system has problems. What good is upgrading the video if I can't use it?

2. I'll upgrade, just give me $500 to buy a shiny new GF2Ultra 64MB beast. Some of us don't have deep pockets

.

Plus I'm not complaining that my system is slow, my 700 did just great for me.

It might be my 4in1's, degrading to the 4.24's seemed to stabilize it out a little, but the problems are still there. How do I completely uninstall the thing and what do I use for a 1 by 1 installation?

Ruahrc

Ruahrc · January 4th, 2001, 01:04 AM

Tried WinME to see if it would fly, but got the exact same behavior, even can't defrag just like W98SE. Off of a fresh install following an uncontitional format too.

Here's my DX8 files, tell me if one of them isn't versioned right? I think it is some error in here...

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DxDiag Notes
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DirectX Files Tab: The file vfwwdm32.dll is incorrectly installed in the Windows folder and should be deleted.
The file iac25_32.ax is a beta version, which is unsupported and could cause problems.
You should reinstall DirectX to get the latest version.
Display Tab 1: The file nvdisp.drv is uncertified, which means that it has not been tested by Microsoft's Windows Hardware Quality Labs. You may be able to get a certified driver from the manufacturer of the hardware device.
DirectDraw test results: All tests were successful.
Direct3D test results: All tests were successful.
AGP texturing test results: All tests were successful.
Sound Tab 1: The file EMU10K1.VXD is uncertified, which means that it has not been tested by Microsoft's Windows Hardware Quality Labs. You may be able to get a certified driver from the manufacturer of the hardware device.
DirectSound test results: All tests were successful.
Music Tab: DirectMusic test results: All tests were successful.
Input Tab: No input devices detected.
No problems found.
Network Tab: No problems found.

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DirectX Components
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ddraw.dll: 4.08.00.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 344064 bytes
ddraw16.dll: 4.07.00.0700 English Final Retail 6/8/2000 17:00:00 28496 bytes
ddrawex.dll: 4.87.00.0700 English Final Retail 6/8/2000 17:00:00 36864 bytes
ddraw.vxd: 4.07.00.0700 English Final Retail 6/8/2000 17:00:00 30469 bytes
ddhelp.exe: 4.08.00.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 41984 bytes
dxapi.sys: 4.87.00.0700 English Final Retail 6/8/2000 17:00:00 2416 bytes
d3d8.dll: 4.08.00.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 1062400 bytes
d3dref8.dll: 4.08.00.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 236544 bytes
d3dim.dll: 4.07.00.0700 English Final Retail 6/8/2000 17:00:00 638976 bytes
d3dim700.dll: 4.08.00.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 872960 bytes
d3dref.dll: 4.08.00.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 140800 bytes
d3dramp.dll: 4.07.00.0700 English Final Retail 6/8/2000 17:00:00 606208 bytes
d3drgbf.dll: 4.02.00.1054 English Final Retail 7/1/1997 13:06:42 58880 bytes
d3drg16f.dll: 4.02.00.1054 English Final Retail 7/1/1997 13:07:56 72192 bytes
d3drm.dll: 4.06.02.0436 English Final Retail 6/8/2000 17:00:00 446464 bytes
d3dxof.dll: 4.06.02.0436 English Final Retail 6/8/2000 17:00:00 118784 bytes
d3dpmesh.dll: 4.06.02.0436 English Final Retail 6/8/2000 17:00:00 102400 bytes
dplayx.dll: 4.08.00.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 245760 bytes
dpmodemx.dll: 4.08.00.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 36864 bytes
dpwsockx.dll: 4.08.00.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 77824 bytes
dplaysvr.exe: 4.08.00.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 45056 bytes
dpnsvr.exe: 4.08.00.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 69632 bytes
dpnet.dll: 4.08.00.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 237568 bytes
dpnlobby.dll: 4.08.00.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 98304 bytes
dpnwsock.dll: 4.08.00.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 118784 bytes
dpnaddr.dll: 4.08.00.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 90112 bytes
dpnmodem.dll: 4.08.00.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 110592 bytes
dpvoice.dll: 4.08.00.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 282624 bytes
dpvsetup.exe: 4.08.00.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 122880 bytes
dpvvox.dll: 4.08.00.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 184320 bytes
dpvacm.dll: 4.08.00.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 90112 bytes
dpvhelp.exe: 4.08.00.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 81920 bytes
dinput.dll: 4.08.00.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 176128 bytes
dinput8.dll: 4.08.00.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 204800 bytes
dinput.vxd: 4.08.00.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 10874 bytes
dimap.dll: 4.08.00.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 102400 bytes
diactfrm.dll: 4.08.00.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 307200 bytes
vjoyd.vxd: 4.08.00.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 33361 bytes
joyhid.vxd: 4.88.00.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 13055 bytes
joy.cpl: 4.08.00.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 155648 bytes
gcdef.dll: 4.08.00.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 249856 bytes
gchand.dll: 4.08.00.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 6144 bytes
pid.dll: 4.08.00.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 40960 bytes
gameenum.sys: 4.07.01.3000 English Final Retail 6/8/2000 17:00:00 10608 bytes
hidgame.sys: 4.07.01.3000 English Final Retail 6/8/2000 17:00:00 8912 bytes
dsound.dll: 4.08.00.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 455680 bytes
dsound3d.dll: 4.08.00.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 1339392 bytes
dsound.vxd: 4.08.00.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 48171 bytes
dswave.dll: 4.08.00.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 15360 bytes
dsdmo.dll: 4.08.00.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 176128 bytes
dsdmoprp.dll: 4.08.00.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 66560 bytes
dmusic.dll: 4.08.00.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 94208 bytes
dmusic16.dll: 4.08.00.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 11008 bytes
dmusic32.dll: 4.08.00.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 28672 bytes
dmband.dll: 4.08.00.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 25600 bytes
dmcompos.dll: 4.08.00.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 59392 bytes
dmime.dll: 4.08.00.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 168960 bytes
dmloader.dll: 4.08.00.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 30720 bytes
dmstyle.dll: 4.08.00.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 110080 bytes
dmsynth.dll: 4.08.00.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 130048 bytes
dmscript.dll: 4.08.00.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 78336 bytes
dx7vb.dll: 4.08.00.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 600576 bytes
dx8vb.dll: 4.08.00.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 1069056 bytes
amstream.dll: 6.03.01.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 63488 bytes
devenum.dll: 6.03.01.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 52224 bytes
dxmasf.dll: 6.04.07.1112 English Final Retail 6/8/2000 17:00:00 507904 bytes
mciqtz.drv: 4.00.96.0729 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 11776 bytes
mciqtz32.dll: 6.03.01.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 33792 bytes
mpg2splt.ax: 6.03.01.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 141312 bytes
qcap.dll: 6.03.01.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 167936 bytes
qdv.dll: 6.03.01.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 229888 bytes
qdvd.dll: 6.03.01.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 344064 bytes
quartz.dll: 6.03.01.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 956416 bytes
quartz.vxd: 4.00.00.0501 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 5672 bytes
strmdll.dll: 4.01.00.3857 English Final Retail 6/8/2000 17:00:00 252736 bytes
vidx16.dll: 0.00.00.0000 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 10240 bytes
iac25_32.ax: 2.00.05.0051 English Beta Retail 2/13/1998 14:31:00 199680 bytes
ir41_32.ax: 4.51.16.0002 English Final Retail 6/22/1998 14:39:18 848384 bytes
ir41_qc.dll: 0.00.00.0000 English Final Retail 6/8/2000 17:00:00 135168 bytes
ir41_qcx.dll: 0.00.00.0000 English Final Retail 6/8/2000 17:00:00 352256 bytes
ir50_32.dll: 5.1794.15.0046 English Final Retail 7/1/1998 10:13:10 753664 bytes
ir50_qc.dll: 5.00.63.0038 English Final Retail 11/6/1997 12:47:14 198144 bytes
ir50_qcx.dll: 5.00.64.0038 English Final Retail 11/6/1997 12:51:38 181760 bytes
ivfsrc.ax: 5.04.02.0040 English Final Retail 2/26/1998 16:23:00 142848 bytes
mswebdvd.dll: 6.03.01.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 245248 bytes
msdvdopt.dll: 4.90.3000.0000 English Final Retail 6/8/2000 17:00:00 74512 bytes
ks.sys: 4.90.3000.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 117600 bytes
ksproxy.ax: 4.90.3000.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 116224 bytes
ksuser.dll: 4.90.3000.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 4096 bytes
stream.sys: 4.90.3000.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 41920 bytes
mspclock.sys: 4.90.3000.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 4800 bytes
mspqm.sys: 4.90.3000.0000 English Final Retail 6/8/2000 17:00:00 4848 bytes
mskssrv.sys: 4.90.3000.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 6368 bytes
swenum.sys: 4.90.3000.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 3456 bytes
mstee.sys: 4.90.3000.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 4896 bytes
mpg2splt.ax: 6.03.01.0400 English Final Retail 11/3/2000 14:35:22 141312 bytes
nabtsfec.sys: 4.90.3000.0000 English Final Retail 6/8/2000 17:00:00 78448 bytes
ccdecode.sys: 4.90.3000.0000 English Final Retail 6/8/2000 17:00:00 13520 bytes
vbisurf.ax: 4.90.3000.0000 English Final Retail 6/8/2000 17:00:00 30992 bytes
msyuv.dll: 4.90.00.3000 English Final Retail 6/8/2000 17:00:00 32768 bytes
kstvtune.ax: 4.90.3000.0000 English Final Retail 6/8/2000 17:00:00 54544 bytes
ksxbar.ax: 4.90.3000.0000 English Final Retail 6/8/2000 17:00:00 40720 bytes
kswdmcap.ax: 4.90.3000.0000 English Final Retail 6/8/2000 17:00:00 84752 bytes
vfwwdm32.dll: 4.90.00.3000 English Final Retail 6/8/2000 17:00:00 69632 bytes
wstdecod.dll: 4.90.3000.0000 English Final Retail 6/8/2000 17:00:00 56592 bytes
msdv.sys: 4.90.3000.0000 English Final Retail 6/8/2000 17:00:00 45744 bytes

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Components Incorrectly Located in Windows Folder
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vfwwdm32.dll: 4.03.00.1214 English Final Retail 4/10/1997 12:14:00 49152 bytes

Ruahrc

**NPaladin** · January 4th, 2001, 04:11 AM

The vfwwdm32.dll file might be a problem, but I doubt it. Have you gotten the Via 4in1 drivers to install without giving you that missing file error yet? I'm telling you, that's probably the problem.

Oh, and I don't wanna hear ANYTHING about the GeForce2MX not being "adequate"...I find it wonderful...play LOTS of games on it...at 1024x768x32, too. When properly overclocked, it's great.

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Bryan Pizzuti
CompTIA A+, CNAP
[email protected]
ICQ # 8525092
Yahoo Messenger: npaladin_2000

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